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[Zubie]

I actually really liked Hawke. However I remained attached to my beloved Warden

If only they both appear in DA3......Bioware, make it happen.

[forestmaiden86]

I prefered my warden hands down.
I had her completely formed in my mind and she just felt like mine with characters I adored... she had much better companions and I just connected with her so much more than Hawke.
Hawke I felt like I was watching her story and not really part of it same feeling I get playing ME but I like them cause I didnt expect anything else while DA2 I expected to feel like I was in the story.

[Clonedzero]

forestmaiden86 wrote...

I prefered my warden hands down.
I had her completely formed in my mind and she just felt like mine with characters I adored... she had much better companions and I just connected with her so much more than Hawke.
Hawke I felt like I was watching her story and not really part of it same feeling I get playing ME but I like them cause I didnt expect anything else while DA2 I expected to feel like I was in the story.

well thats my point really.

she's formed in your mind. not in the game. in origins there was very very very weak motivations for your character to do anything that you did in the game. yet if you invented an elaborate story to give motivation it could make it more fun. personally i have a hard time playing as any origin other than human noble because i dont think any of the other origins have believable established motivations to take up the responsibility of saving the country.

while hawke is a developed character with clear motivations and goals.

i'll admit, the warden gives you more leg room to make up your own story and apply it to the character, but by default that makes hawke a better written character than the warden, because the warden is barely written. its an empty vessel you fill. so in some cases people will obviously like their imaginary version of a character more than an actual established well written one because its "their" character.

seriously can you give me obvious motivations why the city elf, dalish elf, dwarf commoner, dwarf noble or even the mage would have for wanting to go on a crazy journey and take all the responsiblity of stopping the blight onto themselves? only using reasons established IN the story and game. and no "the duty of being a grey warden" doesnt count because it wasnt a choice for them and being a deserter makes far more sense in context then them becoming a heroic warden.

[Augustei]

crimsontotem wrote...

I still think that my Warden and his companions can manhandle Hakwe and his companions any day of the week.

Sten and Morrigan fought off the fade and never surrendered to the temptation, Leliana killed a high dragon, Zevran killed Antivan crow's guildmaster, Oghren is just freaking awesome, Aistair is Grey Warden King, Wynne is not even a human but a spirit of faith and human combination and she is way stronger than Anders mentally and magically, Shale can destroy anything, and my warden defeated the blight, kicked Archdemon's ass and violated the Mother and her countless childs... while Hawke had a full help from templar and mages to take down a one crazy old lady. 

I think my Warden wins. 

My Hawke is a mage, and a Maleficar. he commands the respect of the Qunari and Templars. He is the Champion of Kirkwall and by exstension has influence in the free marches. He is also Viscount of Kirkwall.

My Warden is a warrior, he has a friend who is king of Ferelden, a friend who is soon to be leader of the house of crows, The Respect and assistance of the grey wardens, Morrigan and Shale.. who by now is just some random dwarf women.

1 on 1. My Hawke could slaughter my Warden.. In an all out war however, or with assistance.. My Warden would win

[Lady Danger]

Overall, I prefer Hawke and the DA2 companions to the Warden and the DA:O companions. I can see how somebody may prefer the Warden though, but not really sure about the companions issue because I never felt close to any of my DA:O companions. I had respect for most of them, but I never felt like we were really close friends, except perhaps Alistair... who I simply romanced out of boredom and mostly to become Queen, lol.

[arathor_87]

Zenstrive wrote...

Can Warden do AOE everytime he swings two handed weapons? No? Hawke wins.
Can Warden do crashing charge 10 feet to the enemy he targets? No? Hawke wins.
Can Warden smirk and snark while saving the world? No? Hawke wins.
Can Warden talk? No? Hawke wins.
Hawke is full of wins. Warden is old school glorified camera dolly.

Hawke talks, the Warden get things done.
The Warden don't need fancy moves to win, he is a killing machine.

And when Hawke left Ferelden like a chicken, they Grey Warden was to busy fighting loads of darkspawns, the Archdemon, Loghain, stop a civil war in Orzammar, save the circle, go to the deep roads, the Sacred Ashes and much much more. And he did all of this in record time, he prevented the Blight from reaching other Kingdoms and citys like Kirkwall. For example in DA2 when you speak to the grey wardens they say that we have more pressing matters to take care of, and that's not Kirkwall.

If Hawke are so powerful why did he left  his home country instead of helping it? And his actions in DA2 shows that he is a greedy punk who just want money and glory, the Warden do his actions for Ferelden.

Hawke saved the world? No he didn't, but his actions started a war between the mages and the templars. Sure, he tried to stop it but if it but he has to since its his greedy actions started all of this. That's why he is one of the most important persons in Thedas, not that he is a hero.

So, my Warden would destroy my Hawke in a few seconds, so ye he is my champion.

But DA2 is a good game, just a different kind of story and morale. But I liked DA:O more than DA2, but its not a bad game.

[TexasToast712]

Agreed.

My Warden > My Hawke

[Persephone]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

I like the Warden more because their companions didn't have game breaking glitches XD

Oh? Did you play DAO without Morrigan and Alistair?

[Foolsfolly]

Clonedzero wrote...

i never once felt any real connection to the warden. i didn't care about him at all. he was just an empty vessel for me to control and pilot through the game and interact with people. i never sympathized with him, i never worried about his future, i never thought about the impact my choices in the game would have on him. i never cared about his motivations or aspirations in life. he was simply a tool to experience the world with. its because by the games very nature he's blank and vague. had no real meaningful connection to the story. no personal ties i cared about. bland and boring.

Hawke however is a real character, with a personality you can morph and shape, with motivations and goals. i wanted him to escape the blight, i wanted him to rise out of poverty, i wanted him to have a better life. i cared about his plight and his family issues. i wanted him to have a happy ending. i compeltely sympathized and cared about him. he was a fantastic character. mine was a sarcastic smartass mage. it was great, i actually FELT like he was a real character having meaningful interactions with the world and other characters, not just some blank robot.

and hawke would totally kick the wardens ass, he'd say something funny while doing it too. (at least mine would)

EXACTLY!

Outside of the Origins story and that tail bit at the end, your race and origin only comes up a handful of times and never in any meaningful way. 99% of the game an Evil Elven Mage and a Maker-Worshiping Templar Dwarf act and do the exact same things.

Hawke's personality actually changes as you play Hawke. It's interesting. My second guy was the Funny personality and the guy really was hilarious at times. It's cool how dialogue can be completely different depending on how you've played the game.

Plus, Hawke had a family and a storyline. The Warden was all about the job, afterall the Warden's name is Warden-Commander. And the lack of a solid name will forever be a headache to BioWare for as long as they make Dragon Age games.

They'll never be able to do Warden camoes or name drops. See all the threads about confusing the First Warden and the Warden-Commander?

But the Warden meant nothing to me. When I think about Dragon Age I think of Alister, Morrigan, Sten, Leliana, Zevran, and Oghren. They were vivid and layered characters that I loved. The Warden? That's like loving your cursor; it's just a tool.

[Fatal XIII]

So do I, OP.

[Silveryne]

The silent protagonist thing is great for self-insertion into a story. You can read the lines in your head and it will be just like you are the Warden. Silent protagonists allow that self-insertion more. Presuming your personal identity doesn't conflict with their general identity.

That said, I felt like the Warden was more of a diplomat and tactician than Hawke was. Hawke was a (wo)man who was skilled with either the martial or magical arts. The Warden was talented, but their job wasn't to be a lone defender. Warden had troops to back them up in the end.

Warden might have also defeated Loghain in a duel, but I cannot imagine the warden facing down the Arishok. Hawke had no trouble with the Arishok, but I cannot imagine him/her leading the combined armies or dwarves, werewolves/dalish, redcliffe, templar/magi into battle. Oddly fitting, considering DA2 is generally less tactical than DAO.

[TexasToast712]

Silveryne wrote...

The silent protagonist thing is great for self-insertion into a story. You can read the lines in your head and it will be just like you are the Warden. Silent protagonists allow that self-insertion more. Presuming your personal identity doesn't conflict with their general identity.

That said, I felt like the Warden was more of a diplomat and tactician than Hawke was. Hawke was a (wo)man who was skilled with either the martial or magical arts. The Warden was talented, but their job wasn't to be a lone defender. Warden had troops to back them up in the end.

Warden might have also defeated Loghain in a duel, but I cannot imagine the warden facing down the Arishok. Hawke had no trouble with the Arishok, but I cannot imagine him/her leading the combined armies or dwarves, werewolves/dalish, redcliffe, templar/magi into battle. Oddly fitting, considering DA2 is generally less tactical than DAO.

Aww comeon, the Warden could take the Arishok easily. Hawke even mentions to Varric in one of their conversations that he isnt brave enough to mess with a Warden.

[Akron1983]

The big diffrence between Hawke and the Warden is, Hawke is a character I control. The Warden is a character I create.

[Lithuasil]

The warden was a vessel with holes in it. A fighter jet I jump into, to inevitably defeat generic ultimate evil dojour, all the while hoping I can at least have some interesting glimpses of the background. In any case, there's nothing to like or dislike here. You can 'like' a person, but the Warden is a plotdevice.

Hawke on the other hand is a person. She has roots, and tries to cling to them. She cracks under the pressure put upon here. She fails.

The path' that both Hawke and Hero McGenericson take are equally predetermined - but the path the Warden takes is obvious, where the path that Hawke takes isn't.

[Kekkis]

As a Warden I had to do what Wardens do. As a Hawke I kept thinking why I should care. After act 1 I had a nice home and share of the mine to secure decent income. Why should I keep killing bandits and keep solving problems, that others have created. Or when things get nasty, why I can´t just collect my family and go back to road, like I did in the first place.

[Lithuasil]

Kekkis wrote...

As a Warden I had to do what Wardens do. As a Hawke I kept thinking why I should care. After act 1 I had a nice home and share of the mine to secure decent income. Why should I keep killing bandits and keep solving problems, that others have created. Or when things get nasty, why I can´t just collect my family and go back to road, like I did in the first place.

Remember how everything happening in Act 2 is actually someone higher up asking you because caught someones attention, and a barrage of chekovs guns from the first act firing up? And where would you go - when loosing your home for the first time, you went to the only relatives you had left, and now in act 2, whatever life you have is here, so are all your friends, and your sibling is stuck here, anyway.
Why someone recently abducted by the wardens against their explicit will (in my case anyway) should care, after the obviously crazy wardens ****ed up royally - that's a different matter alltogether.

[Super ._. Shepard]

Sandal> Warden > Hawke

[hawat333]

The Warden is a classic, legendary hero. No way around that.

[scylis]

Warden = Choose Your Own Adventure book hero
Hawke = fantasy novel hero

Which one you prefer is personal preference.

[Silveryne]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Aww comeon, the Warden could take the Arishok easily. Hawke even mentions to Varric in one of their conversations that he isnt brave enough to mess with a Warden.

Pssh. The Warden had an army to call out to help with the Archdemon. It wasn't a one on one showdown -- Warden just got the killing blow, unless Alistair or Loghain did a rude killsteal.

Wardens are probably just colder, and more ruthless (doesn't Duncan mention that for a Warden, anything goes in a few of the Origins?) than Average Joe Hero. They have to be decently single-minded about fighting Darkspawn (they do not fight for causes -- fighting Darkspawn isn't a cause, it's a job and a death sentence). Wardens, by and large, don't involve themselves politically beyond what's needed to fight Darkspawn.

I think the Arishok would have wiped the floor with the Warden. Qunari have a certain kind of toughness that Wardens do not. Every fight for a Warden is anything goes because they are going to die anyway. Qunrai are hardcore about their ideology. ...Except Sten, because cookies made him soft.

[gombie]

warden has been through alot more than hawke, going deep into the deep roads with a small party, going into a den of werewolves etc etc. he has accomplished alot more dangerous feats than hawke.

however you never see their true potential, warden can fight loghain 1on1. but hawke fights a bad ass quanari warrior king.

so yea Warden is more seasoned, but hawke is more awesome, i suppose its because you follow his life and climb to the top and he has a personality.

Warden = Choose Your Own Adventure book hero
Hawke = fantasy novel hero

yea this is pretty much it. they are both good ways to play a game, its a shame that DA2 wasnt executed as well.

[SkittlesKat96]

I think Hawke and the Warden are fairly even matched, but I think the Warden in Awakening would be able to beat Hawke.

EDIT: Although when I think about it the accomplishments and leader ship skills of the Warden are great, not to say Hawke wasn't a bad leader either but still.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 19 mars 2011 - 05:29 .

[Ariadne_]

(In a nutshell): The Warden is torn from his/her family under tragic circumstances, more-or-less forced into The Wardens, and then tossed into not only a Blight, but a VERY counterproductive Civil War - which he/she has to solve first before facing the Arch-Demon and it's countless Darkspawn hordes, and in order to complete their army (which they basically have to pull out of their arse).

I admit, Hawke faces hardship as well. However, his/her accomplishments, adventures, and experiences, pale in comparison to The Warden's. The Arishok is small-fry compared to an Ancient-Corrupted-Raging-Dragon-God. And, if the Warden were fully voiced, animated, and expressive, like Hawke...well, that's what made up for the lack of substance in the plot, for me. In my head, my Warden is fully voiced, and MUCH more awesome than Hawke. They are very similar, though. Those two fighting together would be mindblowingly epic. 

Modifié par Ariadne , 14 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[Ariadne_]

The Warden Relies very little on their gathered army, when you think about it. Hawke has the option to face the Arishok with his/her companions. Or, if Isabela returns with The Tome of Koslun, hand it - and her along with it - to the Arishok.

One-on-one, the Arishok is quite easy to defeat. He can't fly, or breath tainted-fire. Actually,in my experience, he mostly runs into the walls (Charge-Fail)...Although, he is much more likable than the Arch-Demon.

Modifié par Ariadne , 14 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[KainD]

 When it comes to Warden and Hawke I really like my warden more. Not because I could decide more about him, not because I consider Origins story written better, but because Hawkes story is very depressing. Most everything Hawke has done ended up in a failure. I can summarize Hawke as a "legendery screw up".

I sometimes think of how would things be different if Hawke would have died at the hands of that Ogre instead of Bethany and Carver. Both Carver and Bethany don't have a lot of leadership potential. They would probably not go on an expedition, the relic would stay in place, Carver would join the templars, Bethany would join the circle, Meredith would not go batsh*it crazy without the relic, no one would stop mages and templars for working against her and coming to a reasonable compromise, and Anders wouldn't go crazy, Hawke wouldn't unwillingly help Petrice to work against Qunari, no one would help the qunari fight their exiles, no one would help Tallis help the Qunari, the ancient Magister would stay in his prison. 

I don't know, maybe I am wrong. It just seems that so many bad things happen because of what Hawke has done in the first place. And then Hawke tries to fix it all up, and it comes off half-a*sed. I just think a Kirkwall would be a much better place if Hawke never made it there. Hawke had no real goal, was just hanging around trying to get by, and did a lot of stupid things.

And then the Warden is really legendary on the other hand. Most everything the warden has done was for the better. Warden had a purpose and it was achieved - a real hero, a real legend. 

That's why I like my warden better.