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[brazen_nl]

I played my first playthrough as a DW rogue. Bethany went to the Circle, Merrill can't heal. So, if I wanted to kill Anders for what he did to the Chantry, you're left without a healer in your party? 

[TeamLexana]

Pretty much. But I think I spied a poison somewhere that's suspose to leech life from the enemy and add it to the melee fighter and a bomb that's suspose to resurect/revive fallen party members. So if you could find the recipes for those and all the ingrediants, you might be okay. In theory, lol. I didn't hardly try to use the posions/bombs my first try, I might this time though. If I can find all the recipes/ingrediants that is.

[StingingVelvet]

A mage PC can be a good healer, from what I have read. Have not done it myself though.

[Lulong]

you can always use console commands to replace talents for healer ones.

[Rylor Tormtor]

TeamLexana wrote...

Pretty much. But I think I spied a poison somewhere that's suspose to leech life from the enemy and add it to the melee fighter and a bomb that's suspose to resurect/revive fallen party members. So if you could find the recipes for those and all the ingrediants, you might be okay. In theory, lol. I didn't hardly try to use the posions/bombs my first try, I might this time though. If I can find all the recipes/ingrediants that is.

A reserrection bomb? 

Really?


REALLY?!

[psychocandy]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

Pretty much. But I think I spied a poison somewhere that's suspose to leech life from the enemy and add it to the melee fighter and a bomb that's suspose to resurect/revive fallen party members. So if you could find the recipes for those and all the ingrediants, you might be okay. In theory, lol. I didn't hardly try to use the posions/bombs my first try, I might this time though. If I can find all the recipes/ingrediants that is.

A reserrection bomb? 

Really?


REALLY?

yes..its called mythrals something?,full points but injured, theres a potion that revives you if you die too, lasts 30 mins, black emporium is your friend

Modifié par psychocandy, 15 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Rylor Tormtor]

I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. My comment was not one of excitement but of dismay.

Resurrection bombs are idiotic. I know it may seem like a petty comment in addition to all the other issues, but really, is that the best bioware can do now?

[gingerbill]

whats wrong with a magic item that can revive . You called them 'resurrection bombs' , theyre not really that as a companion isnt considered dead . It's a way to let people not need a mage or a healer and have a diffrent type of party . personally i wouldnt use them though.

[AsaTJ]

Considering he's the only one in the game with a party heal, and with more than one healing cooldown, I'd say yes. I don't think it makes sense, but Anders *is* the only decent healer. I'd complain, but Wynne was practically essential in Origins unless you started building Morrigan as a Spirit Healer the moment you got her (or played the PC as a healer), so this is par for the course in the series so far.

Whoever the healer character is, learn to like them because bringing them is not optional on higher difficulties.

[Genraku]

That, or add spirit healer/creation trees through the console to Bethany or Merril. I thought it was somewhat ridiculous that the apprentice to a keeper would know nothing of healing. you can find out how at the dragon age wiki. if you wanna still get achievements be prepared to have 2 shortcuts to DA2, one that enables the console and one that doesn't.

[Heather Cline]

Your mage can be a healer and a spirit healer. Anders only has the basic healer tree. His specialization does allow you some more healing talents but most of his specializations focus on the Justice aspect of his persona. Unfortunately. Lucky I don't play on higher difficulty so having him in party is not a issue for me. There is also no achievement for playing on higher difficulty so I don't see a point to doing it unless I want a challenge. Right now casual is enough of a challenge as it is. Getting mobbed by tons of enemies even on casual can still suck and get you killed.

[Phaffner]

You can buy healing potions too, did my first run thru with no healer, had me as a dw rogue, Izzy, Varric and Merrill. Just buy potions and use them, no problem.

[pumpkinman13]

Yeah for people who aren't playing a mage themselves things are pretty limited. Anders is the only one with a revive spell. But that spell requires a sustained mode first, and whilst in that mode he himself is immune to standard healing.

It's a bit silly really. I mean at least you could upgrade Morrigan into a decent healer.

[naughty99]

I have to reload frequently on Nightmare, and there are many battles where only one or two party members survives.

Anders' Regroup power is pretty useful because it revives all dead party members, regardless of the distance.

Due to kiting and retreating to choke points, often the revived party members are very far away.

[pumpkinman13]

Yeah its great that it revives multiple party members. Hence why its vital to keep Anders alive. He can be the last one standing against a horde and you can turn the tide of the battle with Regroup.

[Navari]

I played as a Spirit healer with my mage, mostly because everytime the natural healing regenerate it heals my mage about 200+hp which makes Hawke immortal, unless it gets a one-hit K.O.
So If my party would die, I just run around, try to do as much damage as a spirit healer possible can and then use revive to bring them back.

[Blackreaver09]

Yeah....I hate that I have only one option for a healer since my PC is a 2 handed weapon warrior. Anders is the one I HAVE to carrying around regardless of my love or hate towards him. That kinda sucks.

[0RD3R]

Blackreaver09 wrote...

Yeah....I hate that I have only one option for a healer since my PC is a 2 handed weapon warrior. Anders is the one I HAVE to carrying around regardless of my love or hate towards him. That kinda sucks.

Yeah that was the case for me. I felt that I couldn't kill or leave Anders behind after he pulled his "idiotic move", simply because he was to important to my party. I played at hard on my first playthrough.

[Captain_Obvious]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. My comment was not one of excitement but of dismay.

Resurrection bombs are idiotic. I know it may seem like a petty comment in addition to all the other issues, but really, is that the best bioware can do now?

Meh, I'm too used to throwing a phoenix down or an angel's plume to laugh at a resurrection bomb. 

[bluedevil99]

Lulong wrote...

you can always use console commands to replace talents for healer ones.

I highly, highly recommend this.  I can't for the life of me imagine why Merril is locked out of the creation tree; it really gimps her as a character.  I used to console solely to give her access to that tree.  It's not a game changer really but it does save me trekking back to vendors to restock health potions, not to mention the annoyance of instantly reloading every time Anders inexplicably commits suicide by charging into hordes of enemies (was the AI this bad in Origins??).

Instructions for unlocking the console (PC version) are here.  Note that I am playing the Steam version and ended up having to edit the XML file to get it to work; make sure you back up that file first.

[TeamLexana]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. My comment was not one of excitement but of dismay.

Resurrection bombs are idiotic. I know it may seem like a petty comment in addition to all the other issues, but really, is that the best bioware can do now?

Well considering fallen party members aren't really "dead", it's not that ridicules. It's like using smelling salts on someone who just got knocked out, only it works much faster, lol. There's still a level to difficulty in using them, you have to find the fallen party member and toss it on them afterall, well in theory, I haven't used them, lol.

0RD3R wrote...

Blackreaver09 wrote...

Yeah....I hate that I have only one option for a healer since my PC is a 2 handed weapon warrior. Anders is the one I HAVE to carrying around regardless of my love or hate towards him. That kinda sucks.

Yeah that was the case for me. I felt that I couldn't kill or leave Anders behind after he pulled his "idiotic move", simply because he was to important to my party. I played at hard on my first playthrough.

I'm still not impressed enough by his healing to take him along most of the time. The heal sustain is gay and even if you get ranged units to huddle next to him while melee tanks are off drawing aggro, he will still want to run over and get right in front of the biggest enemy there is and pull aggro on to himself - even with the HOLD OPTION ON!!!! He's just too difficult to keep alive unless I just take control of him and let my Hawke go on auto and that ain't happening, screw that, lol. At the very least, if I could put better armor on him he might stand a better chance... but nooo... you can't change his armor. GAY.

[StowyMcStowstow]

the PC can be a great healer, since they can have access to the spirit healer tree. Why Anders, or merill, or bethany doesn't is beyond me. Anders tree isn't that good, but it is somewhat useful.

There's a reason after the first playthrough I set it on casual and played a warrior. It is so much fun that way. It's like a better version of Too Human.

[AzrithEH]

A healer isn't really necessary, on my 1st play through I was 2h warrior and I killed Anders.  My final party was 2h Hawke, Varric, Isabella and Merill for the final fights, I made it through both using pots only.  This play through was on PC on the normal setting.

Modifié par AzrithEH, 15 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[AsaTJ]

Heather Cline wrote...
 There is also no achievement for playing on higher difficulty so I don't see a point to doing it unless I want a challenge. Right now casual is enough of a challenge as it is.

Understandable, but for someone who cleared Origins on Nightmare, even DA2's Normal is just frustratingly easy.  I never feel like I'm going to lose.  Casual, I assume I could just set my party tactics and go make a sandwich, but I'm not sure as I haven't tried it.  What can I say?  I'm a glutton for punishment.

pumpkinman13 wrote...
But that spell requires a sustained mode first, and whilst in that mode he himself is immune to standard healing..

Panacea doesn't make Anders immune to healing... are you thinking of Merril's Blood of the First?

Team Lexana wrote...
At the very least, if I could put better armor on him he might stand a better chance... but nooo... you can't change his armor.

You do eventually get an armor rune slot for him that you can use to boost his armor, but it is just frustratingly late in the game.  By the time you actually find it, you've pretty much learned how to keep him from ever taking damage or died trying.

AzrithEH wrote...

A healer isn't really necessary, on my 1st play through I was 2h warrior and I killed Anders.  My final party was 2h Hawke, Varric, Isabella and Merill for the final fights, I made it through both using pots only.  This play through was on PC on the normal setting.

You can get through a lot of encounters on Hard and Nightmare without a healer, but larger bosses like the High Dragon and Hybris just aren't possible.  Or if they are, I couldn't begin to tell you how.  Any fight that can't be ended within a very short span of time requires a healer on Hard+.

[psychocandy]

BG2 had rods of resurection so its hardly new