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[twilekaoi]

^ Without giving too much away: the siblings are around in Act 1, but whatever you decide when you venture off into the Deep Roads will determine their fate.

Don't worry about their equipment as better loot usually comes and goes as your level progresses. Unless you equipped Carver with a 40g accessory, you should be fine.

[Ryzaki]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I liked them both, probably Bethany more. Although admittedly the one time I had Carver I went friendship with him, which I think helped a lot.

I adore Carver.

Bethany. Meh. I tend to make her a warden because to me Circle mage bethany is as interesting as watching paint dry.

Carver's back and forth with Hawke just reminds me of my brother so much. <3

[kalasaurus]

Both are alright in their own ways. I found Bethany as a Circle Mage and Carver as a Grey Warden to be the most rewarding as the story progressed.

Bethany's a sweetheart and I enjoyed her sisterly bond with my FemHawke.

Carver's an a** but he grows much when he joins the Grey Wardens (and I very much liked his conversation in Legacy and before the final battle). Also, he has some funny moments in Act 1, he isn't sooo bad (Hawke: "What's a Shem?", Carver: "Elven gibberish" lol)

[twilekaoi]

Ryzaki wrote...

I adore Carver.

GlassElephant wrote...

Carver's an a** but he grows much when he joins the Grey Wardens (and I very much liked his conversation in Legacy and before the final battle). Also, he has some funny moments in Act 1, he isn't sooo bad (Hawke: "What's a Shem?", Carver: "Elven gibberish" lol)

He also has a crush on Merril, lol. So cute! And Merril, being naive as she ever is, never picks up on it.

• Carver: So, you're not like a lot of other girls.
• Merrill: No, I'm an elf.
• Carver: Right, alright then.
• Merrill: Oh, did I miss something dirty?
• Carver: What? No! It wasn't dirty.... It wasn't anything.
• Merrill: Oh? Right, because I miss a lot of dirty things and sometimes I wouldn't mind hearing them.
• Carver: ...Wouldyounow?

Użytkownik twilekaoi edytował ten post 21 maj 2013 - 09:33

[CarrionFowl]

Have to say that the first Playthrough, I absolutely hated Carver... After my first run as a Warrior (because I always start with the heaviest class, just because I like being on the frontlines^^) I loved Bethany to death. She was always so sweet.

 

First time I tried out a mage, I was so frustrated with Carver that I discarded the save... But recently I played again and I have to say, Carver is growing on me^^ Playing as a FemHawke, it always gave me the weird notion that Carver is actually looking out for me, not the other way around, which made me smile. And I loved the moment after Fenris' initial quest and he goes all 'protective brother' on me... Made me giggle like a little girl^^

 

I always get Carver to the Wardens, simply because I like him so much. And I had enough drama on my 'drama save' where Bethany breathed her last in the Deep Roads and I generally made all the max. drama decisions with my companions^^

 

Bethany is (as previously stated by several others) just a sweetheart. The girl is like sugar, listen to her long enough and you might get cavities^^ Which is good for a first run, because you don't have to worry too much about rivalry points from her, especially since the Friendship-meter is maxed out really soon.

 

But once one gets tired of always having agreeable people along, its fun to play as a mage and get Carver, since he's a good counter-point and it feels that the character is much better developed (at least to me)... I can understand that he'd feel sort of left out, when he's the only non-mage of three children (you can't really say that he's the middle one, since its never mentioned that Carver is the firstborn twin, as far as I know), so I always try to be nice to him^^ Maybe someday soon I'll start up again as a mage and go pro-Templar, just for max approval from dear brother mine^^ 

 

 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I love 'em both.

 

Carver, admittedly, is a hard man to like, but he grew on me over time. With human characters, it feels like BioWare writers often try to defy the traditional gender roles, making women the tough ones while the men relatively soft and sensitive. I liked Carver as a character showing that, sometimes, boys will be boys. He had a real chip on his shoulder, no doubt, but that's just who we are as men. If you want to see his character really come into his own, though, you really have to have him survive the Deep Roads. You can really see how he's grown in the DLC missions post-Act 1, and briefly in The Last Straw. Otherwise, he's either dead, or just another lackey of Meredith's.

 

I think I still prefer Bethany by a hair. While she doesn't have Carver's potential for character growth, I also rather like having a few "low-key" characters in my game; the types that aren't terribly interesting, but easy to get along with as friends/lovers/family, and are defined by their relationship with the main-character. I liken her a lot to Kaidan from Mass Effect -- interesting in his own right, but you don't save him on Virmire purely for his character. You have to have some love for his type, otherwise he'll bore you and be the easy sacrifice.

[CarrionFowl]

You're right^^ I always have him join the Grey Wardens, he just seems to fit in a lot more there^^ My Bethany usually ends up either in the Circle or six feet under *lol*

 

Like I said, the first time I tried a mage, he annoyed the living daylights out of me. It almost felt carthartic to get the opportunity to argue with him from time to time, just because I felt like I wanted to shout at him (Thank the Maker for the save button *gg*)^^ Admittedly, with Bethany you don't really have that kind of trouble, she just seems to want to be loved and cuddled. Whereas Carver wants to be respected and be his own master (and I can understand that urge^^), so it's almost natural for him to head-butt with Hawke^^ 

 

They're both really well-developed characters (but that is usually the case when Bioware writes characters^^) and by now, I like them about equally well... Although Carver is a bit ahead at the time because it feel like I really have to work for a friendship in his case^^ So I always get happy when he sounds marginally more agreeable to me *gg*

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

I will never understand people who make class decisions based on the availability of a temporary companion. Sure, Carver was a jerk, but you'd really deprive yourself of magic just so you can hang out with your in-game sister for like... 2 acts? Obviously the people who think that way never had any real interest in magic to begin with.

Story>>>>>>gameplay.

 

especially this gameplay.

[Oielvert]

Especially when the new Blood Mage has to give up 70% of his mana to perform a few of his spec abilities. Who came up with such nonsense?

[Gtdef]

I like Bethany more than Carver too. I had the arguement with a friend and I told him that since Carver looks for a purpose, what better purpose than to die protecting his family from Ogre ;p 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Carver's character just suffers from BioWare Subtlety™.

 

He has his thing, which is good, but you're beaten over the head with it when you deal with him in Act 1, which is not good.

[KaiserShep]

 Carver's character just suffers from BioWare Subtlety™.

 

He has his thing, which is good, but you're beaten over the head with it when you deal with him in Act 1, which is not good.

 

I find that it's sometimes the really little things that bug me a lot too. A good example is the Family History quest, should you take him to the Gallows. The moment you speak to Tobrius, he's instantly annoyed that you're talking to another mage and walks away before the guy gets a chance to speak more about Malcolm.

[TheWhitefire]

Carver is just so... angry, all the time, and he never lightens up. I did a pro-templar Mage playthrough, and I still couldn't max out that arsehole's friendship. Seriously. I even dragged templar him through Legacy and Mark of the Assassin... which is my biggest issue with Carver. His personality is not consistent through the two DLCs post-templar.

 

In Mark of the Assassin, you get the sense that Carver has finally grown the eff up and started to find himself as his own person, now that he's out from under Hawke's shadow. I liked this carver, it was great. I thought "Wow! I really enjoyed this, I'm going to take him through Legacy so I can get more of this Carver!" LOLNOPE.

 

Templar Carver in Legacy is an even bigger arsehole than Act 1 Carver, going so far as to imply your father never wanted you or Bethany. "He hoped his kids wouldn't have any magic, but then he got you and Bethany." Wow. Just wow. What a huge D-Bag, bro. Seriously. The guy is an acerbic dick-wad all the way through Legacy, after being such a more strong and mellowed person in Mark. 

 

That, more than anything else about Carver, really irked me.

 

That said, I haven't played through Mark with my Grey Warden Bethany yet, but I really enjoyed Grey Warden Bethany in Legacy. You get the sense of how much she hates what she's become, while at the same time having a deeper.. wisdom to her character. "It's easy to hate the darkspawn, but it's... deeper for a Warden." As much as she's resentful for being consigned to what she essentially views as a living death, you get a sense that she's still taken to her new duty.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Being a Grey Warden is what it most suited to Carver's friendship path. You get a bunch of friendship points for taking him on the Expedition and for agreeing to make him a Grey Warden.

 

I'm not sure I've heard of anyone trying the Friendship Templar version of Carver before, but it wouldn't surprise me if Bioware added less "friendship content" because it wasn't intended to be used that way.

 

Friend Warden Carver does have certain noticeably different dialogue options than Rival Warden Carver.

[BloodyTalon]

Think about the mage playthough, Carver is the lone blade in a house of magic and is also hawke's younger brother so its a bit of an issue cause would picture he felt out of place the whole time.

[Dabrikishaw]

Bethany by a wide margin.

[congokong]

By looking at Carver's approval on Dragon Age Wiki you can get a better understanding of his personality. He isn't anti-mage like Fenris.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._Hawke/Approval

 

There are a few contradictions though. Throughout Act 1 Carver gives the implication that he doesn't like templars, and yet there are circumstances where he gives friendship for supporting them. He also may join the templars which is the biggest douchebag move he can make. It also makes him a major hypocrite. How can he help take mages from other people's families when he didn't do that with his own? Many templars seem to be hypocritical in this way; Thrask, Meredith...

 

I do think he's destined to be a rival though unless you meta-game against it. Any quest-hound will overall earn rivalry because he disapproves of criminal elements, and yet many quests involve illegality.

[Kreator_Wrex]

I'm not a huge fan of either, they both get on my nerves. Bethany is a kind, sweet, and gentle girl, except for the fact that she seems to think that Hawke is going to be the death of her. I can do everything for her and the only reward from her is all frowny face here and frowny face there 100% of the time. It seems like nothing makes her happy. I'm doing what I can to keep her away from the templars, frowny face, how about I save your life, frowny face, how about hidden animosities towards her family, but pretend to be a nice girl because someone will lynch her if she doesn't because that's how real ladies act, frowny face, now how about I hand you over to circle and let you teach young children basic magic and write to me about how cute one of the kids is and come across you again in Act 3, frowny face. I'm almost half convinced she hates her family and that this nice girl thing is just an act. If being locked up in the circle makes you happy, then why don't you just find the damn circle have fun in there, I sure as hell am not going to miss you. 

 

Carver however wasn't that much better. I don't know what it is with him but I've never heard so much complaining from one person. I'm your god damn sibling, not some evil little devil who's trying to destroy everything you accomplish. So are you going to acknowledge that I'm merely trying to do what I think is right, so if all those mages are scrubbing you the wrong way, then go find the nearest templar recruiter, I wont miss you and do what you think is right. If you want to drive my head into the floor, you're welcome to try, so rather than just hopping onto a crybaby Carver attitude, why don't you do what feel, if anyone tries to stop you, that's their doing, not mine. So why don't you get some dignity checking and merely realize I'm not trying to crush everything you achieve merely because I'm the one with the magic and you're not.

[DuskWanderer]

As sweet as Bethany is, she's fairly bland as a character. Carver might ****** and grouse, but he's more interesting with his rivalry, jealously, and awkward affection. Bethany's just...sweet. That being said, I don't dislike either of them. I actually use the editor to get them both back. Since I don't like Fenris or Anders, I don't have to use them. 

[blaidfiste]

I love how Carver has difficulty with Isabella's innuendo in Act 1 but he's able to go toe-to-toe with her in Legacy.

 

Also this letter is Priceless

 

If Hawke is male...
Dear Carver,

Thank you for your letter. It's so nice to hear that you're still alive. I'm sorry about Bethany. How is your brother taking it? I hope he's all right. Please give him a hug for me. And a kiss!

Did he find a girl in Kirkwall? Please say he didn't. I think that would break my heart. I always thought he liked me, but I don't know why nothing ever came of it. He looked at me once, that one time at the fair, and I thought I was going to die from happiness. I don't know why you never brought us together. You're a bad friend, Carver.

You're coming back to Ferelden, aren't you? I miss all of you! I think I've filled out just a little more since you left. I think your brother would appreciate it. I look so much better in dresses now and even more amazing out of them.

I'm living with my aunt in Denerim, since Lothering is gone. Write me soon!

Your friend,
Peaches

[Vegeta 77]

For me beth is best in the circle and carver in the wardens. Beth seems to think its a bad thing and hates hawke for making her a warden until the end. But carver likes the role gives him a purpose and mans up. Both are good.

[congokong]

For me beth is best in the circle and carver in the wardens. Beth seems to think its a bad thing and hates hawke for making her a warden until the end. But carver likes the role gives him a purpose and mans up. Both are good.

If you're the "happily ever after" type then sure, those are the best fates. I've gone back and forth between Carver dying or joining the Wardens but for Bethany I made her a warden. I like the tragedy of it while still keeping her alive. Bethany joining the Circle feels too much like a failure on Hawke's part, and a stupid one. Leaving her home during the expedition because her mother says so is so embarrassing that I haven't done it; even with Carver. I can almost agree with him joining the Templars after that. Leaving him home is a huge betrayal after he has invested so much into their expedition. Take that away and he felt truly lost.

[Vegeta 77]

If you're the "happily ever after" type then sure, those are the best fates. I've gone back and forth between Carver dying or joining the Wardens but for Bethany I made her a warden. I like the tragedy of it while still keeping her alive. Bethany joining the Circle feels too much like a failure on Hawke's part, and a stupid one. Leaving her home during the expedition because her mother says so is so embarrassing that I haven't done it; even with Carver. I can almost agree with him joining the Templars after that. Leaving him home is a huge betrayal after he has invested so much into their expedition. Take that away and he felt truly lost.

Your right about beth i should of said my canon is beth is a warden i like her more in that role gives her a better purpose.  My last post was the best happy outcome for beth but i like them both in the wardens but i like carver as a templar as well. By the way why do you go back and forth with carver  dying or being a warden. Ps i put beth in the wardens cause they need all the recruits they can get and are a inportant faction who i respect.

[CDTheBookMan]

Many share your sentiment.  I usually go with Warrior or Rogue; especially Rogue due to all of the cheap XP you get from picking locks that aren't accessible by your party members.  (i.e.: The chest in the escape from Lothering that neither your brother or sister can pick.)  I always keep Bethany in my party and keep her home during the Expedition.  I would make Carver a Grey Warden by taking him and Anders on the Expedition with me.  Out of morbid curiosity I would.  Carver always rivals you no matter what you try.  

[congokong]

@Templar

 

I go back and forth with Carver depending on the type of Hawke I play. If it's a Hawke that's more of a good person I want to give them tragedy/pity by losing their whole family besides Gamlen. It's easier to make a tragic character when they are a decent person. If my Hawke is more of a scumbag then I keep Carver alive for the added material later in the game.

 

@CDTheBookMan

 

The XP from chests is really irrelevant. First, the amount is small. Second, more experience isn't really better. Yes, it gives more attribute/spell points the higher the level you are but the enemies also get more challenging to balance it out. You break even mostly either way. And I've never opened a chest that had anything of real importance. I've opened master chests that only had junk items.