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[Esoj16]

Nassegris wrote...

Instead of interesting or funny, all his party banter was trying to gently push his religious views on other people (that I saw), and I couldn’t really work up any interest in any conversations my Hawke had with him.

I don't understand how people get to this conclusion, Isabela actually comments during one of their banters that Sebastian is not what she would've thought precisely because he doesn't preach at her about what she should and shouldn't do.  The only people I can see him preaching a bit to is Fenris and maybe Merril, and with Fenris he's just trying to comfort him and Fenris actually does go to the chantry in the end.  I just think some people are too sensitive to this because of RL experience or something. 

[DragonRose]

I don't hate Sebastian. He just really annoys me, mostly for the fact that he won't do anything himself. He has Hawke kill an entire mercenary group, which I never really saw the point of. There's no way that every single person in that group killed his family. He won't go back to rule Starkhaven, even if Hawke tells him he should, and then storms back and expects his subjects to just follow him after about a 15 year absence. He wants Hawke to kill Anders, but doesn't even try to do it himself.

Honestly, if there's a confrontation anywhere in the future this is how I expect it to go:

Sebastian: I'm here for your precious Anders Hawke, and I won't take no for an answer.
Hawke: No.
Sebastian (Monotone) Curses. Foiled again.

And then he'll go off to polish his armor, or something.

[KyleTheArtist]

mrsph wrote...

KyleTheArtist wrote...
Just like every one hated anora because they love Alistair :/

A more suitable comparison would be Alistair and Loghain. 

That too, yes.

[Nassegris]

Link3521 wrote...

Nassegris wrote...

Instead of interesting or funny, all his party banter was trying to gently push his religious views on other people (that I saw), and I couldn’t really work up any interest in any conversations my Hawke had with him.

I don't understand how people get to this conclusion, Isabela actually comments during one of their banters that Sebastian is not what she would've thought precisely because he doesn't preach at her about what she should and shouldn't do.  The only people I can see him preaching a bit to is Fenris and maybe Merril, and with Fenris he's just trying to comfort him and Fenris actually does go to the chantry in the end.  I just think some people are too sensitive to this because of RL experience or something. 

As I said, this is my limited experience from the time I had him in my group. He had nothing interesting to say. I'm not into his type of character. I'm not anti-religious, in fact, though I'm an atheist myself my fiancée is very religious and we talk about it all the time, but we talk about other things more often. I'd have liked to have seen something to give him an interesting angle for me. Something to draw me in, and I'm not talking about drama, but about the little things. Leliana was deeply religious but she could talk about other things.

I didn't like her either much but that was because she was so emotionally easy, but that's another matter altogether.

Let me put it this way... when I didn't have Sebastian in my party, they were constantly jesting around about one thing or other, talking about the colour of underpants or missing beards, and then I had Sebastian in my party and he was questioning beliefs and advicing to go to the chantry. It's just zero interesting to me in the banter. I want fun, interesting, intriguing things there. I'm sure he's great if you're into listening to that kind of thing, but I like the banter that makes me choke on my coffee or have a gigglefit.

Above all - before you attack me for saying I found him preachy - I personally DID find him to be so, but like I mentioned before, and now, I didn't keep him around for long because there was nothing that interested me enough to keep him around for. That might be on me but I'm not playing a game to drag around a character I find kind of dull.

Varric is always, always in my party. The rest are circled depending on my mood. But never Sebastian.

[Esoj16]

Nassegris wrote...

Link3521 wrote...

Nassegris wrote...

Instead of interesting or funny, all his party banter was trying to gently push his religious views on other people (that I saw), and I couldn’t really work up any interest in any conversations my Hawke had with him.

I don't understand how people get to this conclusion, Isabela actually comments during one of their banters that Sebastian is not what she would've thought precisely because he doesn't preach at her about what she should and shouldn't do.  The only people I can see him preaching a bit to is Fenris and maybe Merril, and with Fenris he's just trying to comfort him and Fenris actually does go to the chantry in the end.  I just think some people are too sensitive to this because of RL experience or something. 

As I said, this is my limited experience from the time I had him in my group. He had nothing interesting to say. I'm not into his type of character. I'm not anti-religious, in fact, though I'm an atheist myself my fiancée is very religious and we talk about it all the time, but we talk about other things more often. I'd have liked to have seen something to give him an interesting angle for me. Something to draw me in, and I'm not talking about drama, but about the little things. Leliana was deeply religious but she could talk about other things.

I didn't like her either much but that was because she was so emotionally easy, but that's another matter altogether.

Let me put it this way... when I didn't have Sebastian in my party, they were constantly jesting around about one thing or other, talking about the colour of underpants or missing beards, and then I had Sebastian in my party and he was questioning beliefs and advicing to go to the chantry. It's just zero interesting to me in the banter. I want fun, interesting, intriguing things there. I'm sure he's great if you're into listening to that kind of thing, but I like the banter that makes me choke on my coffee or have a gigglefit.

Above all - before you attack me for saying I found him preachy - I personally DID find him to be so, but like I mentioned before, and now, I didn't keep him around for long because there was nothing that interested me enough to keep him around for. That might be on me but I'm not playing a game to drag around a character I find kind of dull.

Varric is always, always in my party. The rest are circled depending on my mood. But never Sebastian.

 I never attacked you so I apologize if it seemed that way, and I'm not saying you should like him, that's up to each person, I'm just saying he's not really all that preachy, at least not as much as say Anders for example, that guy can NEVER shut up about mages but that's for another topic.

[Nassegris]

Link3521 wrote...

Nassegris wrote...

Link3521 wrote...

Nassegris wrote...

Instead of interesting or funny, all his party banter was trying to gently push his religious views on other people (that I saw), and I couldn’t really work up any interest in any conversations my Hawke had with him.

I don't understand how people get to this conclusion, Isabela actually comments during one of their banters that Sebastian is not what she would've thought precisely because he doesn't preach at her about what she should and shouldn't do.  The only people I can see him preaching a bit to is Fenris and maybe Merril, and with Fenris he's just trying to comfort him and Fenris actually does go to the chantry in the end.  I just think some people are too sensitive to this because of RL experience or something. 

As I said, this is my limited experience from the time I had him in my group. He had nothing interesting to say. I'm not into his type of character. I'm not anti-religious, in fact, though I'm an atheist myself my fiancée is very religious and we talk about it all the time, but we talk about other things more often. I'd have liked to have seen something to give him an interesting angle for me. Something to draw me in, and I'm not talking about drama, but about the little things. Leliana was deeply religious but she could talk about other things.

I didn't like her either much but that was because she was so emotionally easy, but that's another matter altogether.

Let me put it this way... when I didn't have Sebastian in my party, they were constantly jesting around about one thing or other, talking about the colour of underpants or missing beards, and then I had Sebastian in my party and he was questioning beliefs and advicing to go to the chantry. It's just zero interesting to me in the banter. I want fun, interesting, intriguing things there. I'm sure he's great if you're into listening to that kind of thing, but I like the banter that makes me choke on my coffee or have a gigglefit.

Above all - before you attack me for saying I found him preachy - I personally DID find him to be so, but like I mentioned before, and now, I didn't keep him around for long because there was nothing that interested me enough to keep him around for. That might be on me but I'm not playing a game to drag around a character I find kind of dull.

Varric is always, always in my party. The rest are circled depending on my mood. But never Sebastian.

 I never attacked you so I apologize if it seemed that way, and I'm not saying you should like him, that's up to each person, I'm just saying he's not really all that preachy, at least not as much as say Anders for example, that guy can NEVER shut up about mages but that's for another topic.

Haha, yeah, no, he's not like Anders, but I'm no huge fan of Anders either, but in his defense he had a more compelling personality when not whining about mages and templars, at least in my opinion (tastes differ). Lots of fun lines and conversations with Anders in the party, ehe...

[theradicalpunk]

Have any of you seen this douche near the end or with the whole Ander's fiasco? No seriously Ander's is the moron to Sebastian's tool.

[Count Viceroy]

Because he's a hardcore religious person. They tend to do that.

[Chiramu]

For me I already had a hard enough time deciding who to use in my party, and then we get another ranged rogue :<.
Like Varric does fine, though I love Varric's line to Sebastian, "You can't even try to be interesting can you?"
That probably sums Sebastian up. The only thing I like about him is the voice lol, that's the same for Merrill >.>.

[Thiefy]

There's actually funny Seb lines. One with Anders asking why Andraste's face was one his crotch, another with Seb asking Varric something about bianca's ****ring (lulz), and a few others I can't think of at this time.

Plus it's Seb's quest that's give the best line in game: Felicitate me!

[Midnight Voyager]

HE DOESN'T BLOODY LEARN.

...Right, breathing.

Look over his entire questline. Even to the end. He never learns, ever. The Chantry woman accuses him of being fickle and obsessed with revenge, yes? He is. And he never changes.

He comes into contact with the daughter of the woman who had his family killed, yes? People he cared for once. Not an ounce of forgiveness, even though it is not her fault and a demon was involved.

He says he'll RAZE AN ENTIRE TOWN... Why? Because one person would not kill one person. He doesn't care one ounce for the templars/mages thing. It's just "does this one man die, y/n?"

Conclusion? Nothing learned. I liked him... Until it became clear that he was stuck so deeply in his own pit of hatred and revenge that there was no escape. He drops his convictions IN AN INSTANT in favor of vengeance. He out-Vengeanced Justice!

Modifié par Midnight Voyager, 21 mars 2011 - 12:18 .

[Sarah1281]

He comes into contact with the daughter of the woman who had his family killed, yes? People he cared for once. Not an ounce of forgiveness, even though it is not her fault and a demon was involved.

I was peeved about that, too.

He was all "Oh, helping me after you were just as much of a victim as I was won't make things better." Is he somehow not aware of the dangers of consorting with demons? He's in the Chantry!

[Midnight Voyager]

Haha, you know what would have made the entire thing better? If Sebastian did his whole "I will murder every man, woman, and child for the decisions of two people" thing and then Varric just shot him in the throat. Varric, hon, you've done it for less! I wouldn't mind! I know I'm almost always in favor of mercy, but we've got a crazy man here!

Modifié par Midnight Voyager, 21 mars 2011 - 12:35 .

[griffondor]

@MidnightVoyager
Are you sure you're talking about the right character?! During most of the game, he is overly forgiving, that's the point. At complete odds with his trailer advertisement. At least until the end, when the chantry blows up. Before that, the only way to get approval points from him after he confronts the daughter of the demon possessed family is by totally forgiving them. You have to say "it wasn't your fault, it was the demon's". If you say anything else but offering forgiveness, you get rivalry points. And he is always telling Fenris to forgive himself, that it is not the person who carried out the deed who is responsible for, but the one who ordered it. That's hardly vengeful.

But as awkward as his "nooo..." is at the end, I have to admit, he's a good voice actor. His threat gets under people's skin... a lot. They actually feel intimidated by him, as if the character is really going to come and raze the town down. LOL

Personally, I hope he does. Then my character can go back to Fereldon. I liked that place much better than Kirkwall.

Modifié par griffondor, 21 mars 2011 - 12:41 .

[Midnight Voyager]

@Griffondor
Sure, you have to forgive them. But he will not. Nothing he says indicates forgiveness... Except perhaps not shooting her in the throat. He harbors every shred of resentment linked to his vengeance.

And of course he tells Fenris to forgive himself! The entire situation doesn't link to him, does it? Lay one finger on something relating to Sebastian himself and he will never forgive you ever, no matter what.

He is personally vengeful and terribly fickle. He'll drop a vow in an instant if someone stubs his aunt's toe. He drops every conviction the instant something goes wrong.

At least Anders sticks with his convictions no matter what.

I don't feel personally threatened by his little threat. I just want to shoot him in the balls for making it. Because I am sure that he will do everything he can to make it happen. (Even if he fails) I am absolutely certain his conviction to personal vengeance will go that far. He has never done anything to discourage it.

[Soapbubbles]

I like Sebastian just fine, but he's not without issues. I was angry with him at the end of the game, during everything with Anders. I can understand him wanting Hawke and Anders dead, but to raze all of Kirkwall? Also, he steps back on his words by saying he'll go and rule Starkhaven, and his only reason is because he wants two people dead. I really do hope he was saying all of that in anger, because he doesn't strike me as that much of a hypocrite. Conflicted over his emotions yes, but not so much that he'll go about endangering that many people.

[griffondor]

@MidnightVoyager
To me, he seemed more wishy washy than vengeful... otherwise, he would have shot an arrow through Anders at the end. And I wish he had! Sebastian should have killed Anders instead of making ME kill my friend. Whether Anders deserved die or not wasn't the issue...Hawk shouldn't have had to do it.

But I totally agree that Sebastian is fickle... and that Anders sticks with his convictions.

Btw, what are you referring to by saying he doesn't ever forgive the Hariman's? Instead of going back to reclaim his land (which most in the party thinks he should do), he goes back to the chantry. Then all he talks about when you tell him he should go, is what will killing more people accomplish? I seem to have missed something.

[Midnight Voyager]

@Griffondor
I think Sarah1281 covered it, more or less. He basically says, "Oh, you are sorry and you want to help me? That will make nothing better, goodbye."

At best, it's cold. Sure, I have to say it's not her fault, but god forbid he acknowledge it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Because my Lady Hawke is in the market for sausage and he ain't selling.

[leggywillow]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Because my Lady Hawke is in the market for sausage and he ain't selling.

::dies laughing::  LOL!!!!!  So true.

I was watching the video of his "proposal" to Lady Hawke.  He gets all up in her personal space just to invite her to become a nun with him.  What a tease!

Seb: ::steps in verrrrry close::
Hawke: 
Seb: Pledge yourself to the Maker, and we can join in a chaste marriage!
Hawke: D:

[griffondor]

I know... and if you watch a video of the proposal on youTube you can hear the doom music playing in the background. Like you are making a deal with the devil. What is odd is that there is never any mention of the proposal after that, or taking any vows...as if a lot was left unfinished.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

leggywillow wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Because my Lady Hawke is in the market for sausage and he ain't selling.

::dies laughing::  LOL!!!!!  So true.

I was watching the video of his "proposal" to Lady Hawke.  He gets all up in her personal space just to invite her to become a nun with him.  What a tease!

Seb: ::steps in verrrrry close::
Hawke: 
Seb: Pledge yourself to the Maker, and we can join in a chaste marriage!
Hawke: D:

It's kinda creepy if you take the diplomatic response. Hawke seems way to enthusiastic about the chaste marraige option. Rival romance is actually preferred because you get him to think seriously about being a prince and a prince needs a princess.

[Miri1984]

Ok, I just watched that video and I dislike Sebastian even more. He truly is hypocritical. I won't forswear my vows for the woman I love, but I'll do it to raise Kirkwall and kill Anders? Nah, Seb, you lost me.

[Tielis]

ROFL Yeah, at first I was mad at BioWare because of the romance tease and I had taken him along in my party and liked him.

Then, after spending more time with him, I realized he is not someone I could even be friends with. Totally wishy-washy, narcissistic and dishonorable.

Modifié par Tielis, 21 mars 2011 - 05:54 .