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[Sabariel]

Sebastian's freak-out peed me off more than what Anders did. As if there isn't enough fighting going on, Seb

[JamesX]

The Minority wrote...

I'm fine with religious, mainly because I am religious, but I cannot stand the over-religious zelots there are. That's Sebastian for you. He's too preachy, and too dramatic.

Hawke: Hey Sebastian I think you should go back to Starkhaven.
Seb: No it is my DUTY to protect the Grand Cleric.
Hawke: But you're people need you.
Seb: But it's my DUTY!

And at the end of the game.
Seb: You won't kill him? Fine I'm going to Starkhaven to take my land and start a war!
Hawke:*Facepalm*

Grand Cleric is dead.. his duty is now to avenge her 

[Sarah1281]

It's so brilliant how he seeks to avenge the Grand Cleric by destroying the city she gave her life to protect.

[rak72]

The slaughtering of innocents is less annoying than demanding justice for those innocents and possibly preventing the perpetrator from striking again

[JamesX]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's so brilliant how he seeks to avenge the Grand Cleric by destroying the city she gave her life to protect.

How often has Vengence ever followed restraint or morality? 

[Sarah1281]

Or any sort of logic, apparently.

[DarkSpider88]

I am upset with him because he doesn't want to reclaim Starkhaven, he wants to remain a choir boy. If you give me a DLC called the Exiled Prince you better let me help him get his kingdom back, not have him tell me he doesn't want to rule but stay in the Chantry.

[Steptroll]

I liked him because of his Irish accent.

Also because it was one more voice of support when I shanked Anders. (THE BASTARD THAT WAS FAR TOO GOOD FOR HIM RARARARGH.)

[Abispa]

I'm an atheist, but I'm always willing to support featuring more religious characters in video games that claim to be "mature," as in "for grown ups" not "for blood & guts and T&A loving nerds." My amoral rogue makes fun of him, my moralistic fighter constantly corrects his many inconsistencies, and my jaded mage is prone to dressing him down. In short, such characters help me ROLE PLAY my character, which is why I buy Bioware games to begin with.
In combat, he does indeed kick some serious ass. Always a bonus.

[Bruddajakka]

He's basically an expy of Nathaniel given Leliana's Praise the Maker side without the parts that made them interesting companions. At least you could Harden Leliana to make her shut up about the Maker.

[Sabariel]

Steptroll wrote...

I liked him because of his Irish accent.

Also because it was one more voice of support when I shanked Anders. (THE BASTARD THAT WAS FAR TOO GOOD FOR HIM RARARARGH.)

Sebastian has a Scottish accent

[zambixi]

Aww...I liked him. He was temperamental and flighty, but I still felt like he was a bit more 'grounded' than some of the other companions (at least until the end). Even at the end, he really only wants to kill Anders. He probably thinks that the whole of Kirkwall is a cesspool when you won't kill him :/

[Isaidlunch]

I didn't mind him until he turned into another Meredith, "the guy who is responsible is right here but I prefer to kill innocents who aren't responsible what-so-ever for what happened!". Even if it was just an empty threat, that moment threw any respect I had for him out the window.

[Sarah1281]

zambixi wrote...

Aww...I liked him. He was temperamental and flighty, but I still felt like he was a bit more 'grounded' than some of the other companions (at least until the end). Even at the end, he really only wants to kill Anders. He probably thinks that the whole of Kirkwall is a cesspool when you won't kill him :/

And in that moment, Anders became Sebastian's Loghain.

[Bonus Pretzel]

I didn't really use Sebastian much, simply because he reminded me too much of my friend's wife, who tends to be a bit preachy about stubborn about how HER RELIGION is right and others are wrong and sin and etc. I don't have a problem with anyone being religious or expressing their faith, it just annoys me when people try to impose their faith and values on others. Sebastian kinda reminded me of that sort of person. Not to mention his broken DLC achievements that you don't get when you complete their requirements didn't win him many points either (I'm being sarcastic about the achievements by the way).

[Taritu]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I basically liked Sebastian okay until the end. I can understand being VERY angry, but to raze all of Kirkwall for it? Kill Anders, kill Hawke, sure, but would Elthina want him to take his revenge out on an entire city, too? I hope he was just speaking out of anger, and I could only glare after him as he walked away.  Maybe he'll just post a wanted poster up at Starkhaven and wait for someone to do his dirty work, grr grr grr.

But the scottish accent was hot, not gonna lie.

The response I want to that is "sorry, I can't let you walk away alive after you promised to commit mass murder like that.  I'm not going to kill Anders, but I am going to kill you."

[payroo]

I actually fell in love with Seb and am planning to make an f!Hawke just for him! But then again, I didn't even know about the whole flip-out if you don't kill Anders, since I shanked the guy without a second thought
Whatever his beliefs, I thought Seb was just a genuinely good person, very sweet and noble. I admired that he questioned himself about whether it was moral or not to take back Starkhaven. I was very touched when he sided with me for the mages and said something about Andraste supporting the oppressed.

[Sarah1281]

I just worry about how he's going to get an heir for Starkhaven should he decide to actually go back there since he has his vows of Chastity. We might need to get Aveline to talk some sense into him. "The Maker understands" indeed.

[crotti]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Sebastian sucks because I paid extra money for a character whose fundamental beliefs are in direct opposition to my own. I can't even use him! He hates mages, he loves the Chantry... awesome... I almost always play the exact opposite of that. Hell, he even gets owned in every fight I took him into, so there is nothing to like about him, IMHO.

Oh, and he's also spineless.  He doesn't want to be Prince?  Really?  Yeah, he'll always be my rival because of that, if I even bother to speak to him again.

Same here.

[The Minority]

crotti wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Sebastian sucks because I paid extra money for a character whose fundamental beliefs are in direct opposition to my own. I can't even use him! He hates mages, he loves the Chantry... awesome... I almost always play the exact opposite of that. Hell, he even gets owned in every fight I took him into, so there is nothing to like about him, IMHO.

Oh, and he's also spineless.  He doesn't want to be Prince?  Really?  Yeah, he'll always be my rival because of that, if I even bother to speak to him again.

Same here.

This is the part where I say if you kill Anders he sides with the mages if Hawke did so.

But Seb is a bit spineless. I laughed at his reaction when the chantry blew up.

[SupidSeep]

Sebastian looked up to Grand Cleric Elthina who strove to maintain the truce between the Mages and Templars.

Elthina respected Kirkwall's law and stood aside when Petrice was accused of Saemus's death - she mouthed no protest when the Qunari executed her, only asking Hawke to bring the Viscount.

Should Hawke refuse to have Anders killed for his actions, it could be interpreted as disrespect to Elthina who effectively gave her life in service to Kirkwall. No surprise Sebastian would flip - as the Champion, Hawke in a a sense represented Kirkwall. If a great and well-loved leader of a city or country was murdered and its people did not respond to bring the murderers to justice, what would other people think? I would think the people are dirt.

Sebastian only demanded Justice (figuratively and literally) - if Hawke gave him that he would carry it no further.

Modifié par SupidSeep, 16 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[Nemotenetur]

SupidSeep wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

I think some people are bothered by his vow of chastity.

Silly people.

On the flip side, does anyone else like Sebastian because his romance is chaste? I do.

*raises hand* Yup, me too. I like how it shows he's sticking to his convictions, eventhough he loves Hawke. I think we're the minority within the minority though A friend of mine, who's asexual, was happy for other reasons, obviously So eventhough I suspect the chastity has a lot to do with him being a DLC character, a big 'thank you' to the writer(s) anyway

I actually had more issues with Hawke having to join the Chantry for the relationship to work.

[griffondor]

I don't think Sebastian was well written. Unless there is a future DLC that explains his character better, I thought him unfinished. He claims to be a priest who can't have sex but yet he hires people to avenge his family. Then, he joins your team killing people as part of a paid mercenary group. How is he still a priest at this point? If he wanted to not have sex before he gets married (despite his promiscuous past) that would be okay... but just don't blame it on the priesthood. You can't be both mercenary and priest.

The biggest fault of the character (or writers) IMO is that he should have been the one who killed Anders. NO one would have begrudged him that--an arrow right through him. Instead, he wails and vows future revenge with an army to back him up. At least Alistair was willing to kill Loghain himself and take the consequences.

Also, the "not liking Sebastian" may have more to do with the fact that he was a con--advertised as a possible love interest. He's not a love interest. Even if you "marry" and join him in the Chantry, he does not acknowledge the relationship in the end Gallows conversation, nor does Varric mention him as being with Hawk. So how is that married?

Note:  Apparently, the "marriage" was only sympbolic to Sebastian.  If you say "yes" to his proposal in Act 2 and then in the 3rd Act conversation tell him to focus on Starkhaven, not the mage vs templar war, he says "Perhaps one day we can make a more formal alliance between the Vicountess of Kirkwall and the Prince of Starkaven". 

He is a bit of a snob apparently whose royal blood blinds him to anything but an equally worthy mate (i.e a Title).  This fits his character quite well though now that I think about it.

Modifié par griffondor, 18 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[casedawgz]

griffondor wrote...

I don't think Sebastian was well written. Unless there is a future DLC that explains his character better, I thought him unfinished. He claims to be a priest who can't have sex but yet he hires people to avenge his family. Then, he joins your team killing people as part of a paid mercenary group. How is he still a priest at this point? If he wanted to not have sex before he gets married (despite his promiscuous past) that would be okay... but just don't blame it on the priesthood. You can't be both mercenary and priest.

The biggest fault of the character (or writers) IMO is that he should have been the one who killed Anders. NO one would have begrudged him that--an arrow right through him. Instead, he wails and vows future revenge with an army to back him up. At least Alistair was willing to kill Loghain himself and take the consequences.

Also, the "not liking Sebastian" may have as more to do with the fact that he was a con--advertised as a possible love interest. He's not a love interest. Even if you "marry" and join him in the Chantry, he does not acknowledge the relationship in the end Gallows conversation, nor does Varric mention him as being with Hawk. So how is that married?

He might disagree with who you choose to kill, but he's still right there plugging them full of arrows. I agree with you one hundred percent. The dude's a total hypocrite.

[WidowMaker9394]

I liked him. He was a nice fellow with an aura of righteousness.