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[casedawgz]

TeenZombie wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I kept telling Merrill to stop playing with the demons, but she wouldn't listen. Now everyone is dead. They would all be alive if the templars took her away.

Or if you had selected "I'll take responsibility"

Why should Hawke be responsible for the disaster she has caused?  And Merrill still doesn't acknowledge that she was wrong all along if her clan dies.  She cries about how they should have listened to her.  No lessons learned, no growth.  Hawke won't necessarily always be around to clean up her messes.

It's not about teaching Merrill a moral lesson, its about mitigating needless slaughter. Taking responsiblity saves lives, if that's something your Hawke is into.

[Lioneste]

Sebastian is just a poor actor, I couldn't help but laugh when Anders kills of the Chanter Mom... Sebs outburst is just... dramatic and pathetic, hehehe- but I guess I love him for it. Religous zealot, hah! Enjoy watching his faith put to the test.

[syllogi]

casedawgz wrote...

It's not about teaching Merrill a moral lesson, its about mitigating needless slaughter. Taking responsiblity saves lives, if that's something your Hawke is into.

LOL, I can honestly say my Hawke was far too selfish to do that.  But I did feel for Merrill.  This time my SaintlyHawke will make things right for her, and save her clan.  It just irks me that she never gets that the Pride Demon has influenced her negatively.

As for Sebastian, I really didn't get to know him in my first playthrough.  I was an apostate mage, he was a Chantry lover who talked about turning me in.  I'll give him more of a chance this time, but while his banters were amusing, I didn't find much substance to his character when I wasn't agreeing with him.

Also, how can any other Archery Rogue compete with Varric?  Sebastian really didn't have a chance.

[Sarah1281]

It's not about teaching Merrill a moral lesson, its about mitigating needless slaughter. Taking responsiblity saves lives, if that's something your Hawke is into.

Still meta-gaming. What reason could you have for thinking that Hawke saying that she killed the Keeper would let the situation end peacefully while telling the truth about the Keeper nobly sacrificing her life would lead to a massacre?

[Eveangaline]

There's also the fact that a bug with his friendship bonus makes you constantly weaker throughout the game

[rak72]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

The bolded part. I'm a religious person, but not devoutly. Sort of a non-praticising Catholic. I've had good friends get upset when they sneeze and I say "God bless you." It was as if I was trying to convert them with one single line of good will. Honestly they are so touchy about religion because they are scared of it, even fake ones.

/waits for flame throwers.

Thats funny, I  wonder how they would react if you started saying "go to hell"

[nos_astra]

rak72 wrote...
I have no explination for why he wouldn't murder knife Anders himself, though.

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

Funny, the more people moan about him, the more he's growing on me.

[2kgnsiika]

I found Sebastian the most likable of all the NPCs, because for once we have a sincerely orthodox (and not some heretic like Leliana) religious guy who is a good, wholesome person.

The Vaels are a great reminder that there are always good-natured, honest people among believers, and not just the lowly but also among the rich and powerful. I wonder if they were inspired by a real life noble family, like the House of Schönborn in Bavaria and modern day Austria.

[2kgnsiika]

Lioneste wrote...

Sebastian is just a poor actor, I couldn't help but laugh when Anders kills of the Chanter Mom... Sebs outburst is just... dramatic and pathetic, hehehe- but I guess I love him for it. Religous zealot, hah! Enjoy watching his faith put to the test.

Ah, yes. Getting mad at someone for killing a defenseless priest makes one a zealot.

[nos_astra]

rak72 wrote...
Thats funny, I  wonder how they would react if you started saying "go to hell"

[Sarah1281]

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

They still could have let you have a 'Sebastian?' option like they have at multiple points in the game when you turn to a companion and allow them to intercede

[rak72]

klarabella wrote...

rak72 wrote...
I have no explination for why he wouldn't murder knife Anders himself, though.

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

Funny, the more people moan about him, the more he's growing on me.

They could have done it like DAO, have the player say, "if you want him dead, you do it".  Or if the player wanted Anders to live, tell him, " you're not touching him".  But then I guess a fight would ensue & Seb would end up dead.  I think they wanted the drama of Starkhaven's armies looming over the story. 

Or he could have said AFTER you tell him not to touch Anders that he'll get the armies.  *shrugs*

Modifié par rak72, 16 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[White_Buffalo94]

I think Sebastian is a great guy yada yada yada, but he is to chaste and nice and all around a goody goody. I did not like him. I always pushed to gain his rivalry to max, which I have yet to achieve. He is an all talk no action guy unless it involves defending the Chantry. He was willing to simply go and talk to Lady Harrimann for murdering his family. I hereby state that Sebastian is the first DA character that I would put to death willingly with no qualms (Even Loghain was tough to kill because he was a good man with a bad paranoia)

[Eveangaline]

I think people would be more fine with his religiousness if he didn't try to convert others. I mean, it's one thing for him to say 'I've found such meaning and glory in the maker' and another for him to walk by the dalish and say 'so many souls to be saved'. If he just talked about the peace he got and how the maker effects him, he'd be much less annoying (still flightly which always bugs me) but he'd seem like a much nicer person. I mean, I never heard Merril try and convert him, couldn't he extend the same curtosy?

[nos_astra]

rak72 wrote...
They could have done it like DAO, have the player say, "if you want him dead, you do it".  Or if the player wanted Anders to live, tell him, " you're not touching him".  But then I guess a fight would ensue & Seb would end up dead.  I think they wanted the drama of Starkhaven's armies looming over the story. 

Or he could have said AFTER you tell him not to touch Anders that he'll get the armies.  *shrugs*

See, the writers sometimes have a bit of a blind spot. Excellent idea.

Edit: It adds a bit roleplaying value. Eventually the outcome would be the
same, either Anders is dead or Sebastian will have to resort to venting his anger by threating you.

I just noticed that "if you want him dead, you do it" is what you can say to Alistair in DAO, but he chickens out.

Modifié par klarabella, 16 mars 2011 - 09:44 .

[Medhia Nox]

LOL @ Leggywillow - of course I would, so long as I don't have to hear about how religion is this, faith is that, blah blah more boring atheist chic.

[JamesX]

casedawgz wrote...

It's not about teaching Merrill a moral lesson, its about mitigating needless slaughter. Taking responsiblity saves lives, if that's something your Hawke is into.

Except the way it is written it didn't seem like you will have to kill everyone if you told the truth.

I actually would have handed Merriel over to the clan to face the consequence of her own actions.  But instead because I told the truth I had to kill the entire clan.

[Thiefy]

rak72 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

The bolded part. I'm a religious person, but not devoutly. Sort of a non-praticising Catholic. I've had good friends get upset when they sneeze and I say "God bless you." It was as if I was trying to convert them with one single line of good will. Honestly they are so touchy about religion because they are scared of it, even fake ones.

/waits for flame throwers.

Thats funny, I  wonder how they would react if you started saying "go to hell"

They laugh, lol.

[casedawgz]

klarabella wrote...

rak72 wrote...
I have no explination for why he wouldn't murder knife Anders himself, though.

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

Funny, the more people moan about him, the more he's growing on me.

Well, Varric kills DuPuis. It does happen. Or you could implement a choice where you tell him to do it, still resulting in Anders' death but limiting the player's involvement to a more indirect role.

[Eveangaline]

casedawgz wrote...

klarabella wrote...

rak72 wrote...
I have no explination for why he wouldn't murder knife Anders himself, though.

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

Funny, the more people moan about him, the more he's growing on me.

Well, Varric kills DuPuis. It does happen. Or you could implement a choice where you tell him to do it, still resulting in Anders' death but limiting the player's involvement to a more indirect role.

I'd definately like Sebastian more if this was an option. I so wanted to shove a  knife at him (as in hand it to him) and say 'you want him dead so much, you do it!'. Either learn to kill the people you want dead yourself or stop asking for me to kill them.

[casedawgz]

That was thing. My Hawke agreed that Anders deserved to die. But Anders saved Bethany in the Deep Roads, and I didn't feel right just murdering him. I wouldn't have objected to Sebastian doing it, but I couldn't do it myself.

[Thiefy]

The reason he never acts on what he wants to do, like killing Anders or turning in Merril+Anders is because they are Hawkes companions and it is assumed Hawke would defend them. He says as much in his banter with Fenris. Neither one of them want to risk Hawke's wrath.

[Sarah1281]

Yes but if you say that you agree that Anders should die then Sebastian ought to have done it himself.

[Dragonette29]

I'm a militant atheist and he's a religious nutso.
'Nuff said

[nos_astra]

I don't know, it still feels like it just adds flavour to a situation that can be only the player's choice anyway. Either you want to see Anders dead (or at least don't mind too much) or you don't.

What Rak72 said, is very likely. Either Sebastian ends up dead, instead of Anders - or the situation hasn't changed at all, no matter how many hoops you jump through to disguise the fact that no NPC will ever be able to override your decisions.

Modifié par klarabella, 16 mars 2011 - 10:39 .