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[Innocent Erendira]

Just gonna put it out there. I liked Sebastian.

...but I wonder how much of it has to do with his good looks and his voice actor...hmmm..perhaps I am just shallow..heh

Seriously though his being religious didn't bother me at all. I'm an agnostic in real life but I like listening to people tell me about their religions, as long as they aren't being preachy. And he wasn't preachy, I enjoyed listening to what he had to say.

Wish there had been an option to make him see reason at the end though.

[Eveangaline]

klarabella wrote...

rak72 wrote...
I have no explination for why he wouldn't murder knife Anders himself, though.

I suppose the metagaming explanation is: The character can't override the player's decision or Anders could never survive as long as the DLC is active.

Funny, the more people moan about him, the more he's growing on me.

Funnily enough, it's the exact opposite for me. I liked him well enough, but the more I see people going 'The only reason someone doesn't like him is because he's religious, he couldn't POSSIBALLY have flaws in his personality' make his flaws all the more apperant to me.

Still, I doubt I could hate any of the companions in this game, they're all great, even if I think he is the least great.

[leggywillow]

Innocent Erendira wrote...

Just gonna put it out there. I liked Sebastian.

...but I wonder how much of it has to do with his good looks and his voice actor...hmmm..perhaps I am just shallow..heh

Seriously though his being religious didn't bother me at all. I'm an agnostic in real life but I like listening to people tell me about their religions, as long as they aren't being preachy. And he wasn't preachy, I enjoyed listening to what he had to say.

Wish there had been an option to make him see reason at the end though.

No need to be ashamed!  Shallow person high-five!  Unfortunately for me it worked in the opposite direction; I think Sebastian's face looks funny and I'm not a huge fan of his voice.  If I was, I'd probably like Sebastian more.  He still wouldn't be my favorite character by any means, but I'd be more open to him.  That and if he was more useful in the party.

[Spartansfan8888]

Eveangaline wrote...

There's also the fact that a bug with his friendship bonus makes you constantly weaker throughout the game

Wait what? I thought that Isabela's friendship bonus was the cause of the bug. Unless you're talking about a different one than Hawke getting progressively slower.

[leggywillow]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

There's also the fact that a bug with his friendship bonus makes you constantly weaker throughout the game

Wait what? I thought that Isabela's friendship bonus was the cause of the bug. Unless you're talking about a different one than Hawke getting progressively slower.

I read that they're both bugged, and the bugginess will stack if you bring both Isabela and Seb with you.  Varric is my go-to rogue for my non-rogue Hawkes, though, so I can't personally confirm that.

[jenovaproject]

I like Sebastian. He's not a dick, but is firm about what he believes. While portions of the Chantry are corrupt, as are all human institutions, he tries to do the right thing, which is all the Maker (or God, IRL) can ask. It's not cognitive dissonance, it's trying to be a good person. Actually becoming a prince or whatever would be scary as hell if it happened to you.

[Landline]

I just don't like the Chantry connection. I really, really dislike the Chantry.

[Razored1313]

He just didn't suit my personality type, varric, isabela, and anders were the ones who were maxed out on friendship, aveline a bit behind them followed by Merrill and fenris on friendship (only talked with fenris never really used him so no real approval loss chance)

Sebastian and carver were my only rivals, and even carver was cool with me in the end, Sebastian said he would raise hell on anders and me for keeping him, even if justified, I was kinda hoping for the chance to punch anders in the face as well (I did that with isabela, and hawke romanced her)

[Zilod]

i dont like him because it seem the kind of character who says "look at me! i'm perfect!... i'm a noble prince full of humility and devotion and bla bla bla "

he kinda feel shallow and whitout much substance or backbone... as it is shown in the end.. ok angry but things like the dramatic... my sacrifice here will be pointless, i will go call my friends and come back with them"... not to say to raze a city full of innocents...

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I think he's a well-written character. I used to be like him, I guess. Or at least I knew people who were like him. But this was a long time ago. I think it used to be fairly common to be like him, believing in a religion because it is personally gratifying and trying to bring others just a little bit more into that fold so they can share more in common. He's not trying to belittle other peoples' beliefs, he's trying to "perfect" his faith by understanding others through his own lens and also help bring others into his faith. In modern terms, he'd be someone who believes in evolution, but sees it as a process that God controls.

There are certainly more annoying religious people.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 17 mars 2011 - 04:59 .

[The Spirit of Dance]

to me he doesn't stick out that much and feels like a regular companion not someone you pay extra to get, glad i got the signature edition, but i don't dislike him.

[Kadi]

basbaker wrote...

Am I the only person who actually appreciates Nice?

Not at all, Found him a very propper, kind and generous man. well after he got the selfish revenge out of his system. im not religious myself but i do like to listen to people saying prayers, or in dragon age the chanters at the chanters board. im open minded in that reguard. i think he was a fun character.

[Liyros]

I just don't get why I can shank Anders, but not Sebastian. That's the part I find the most irritating.

[Solarain]

The main thing I disliked about Sebastian wasn't the character, it was Bioware's decision to make him a paid add-on without fair warning. Honestly, how many priest type guys are going to mass murder people for killing their family? =) I wouldn't call his breaking his oath a slight one that could be easily rectified.

I think it's all well and good to have a religious zealot if that's what a person really wants in their game play. It really would appeal to gamers who have those kind of views, but I think Bioware might have missed the mark when they tried to appeal to too large of an audience. On the other hand, the idea is totally intriguing to me, that they would blaze a path like this to satisfy (?) folks.

Sebastian was too vanilla for me. And it would've given a lot more fun to tempt him away from the Chantry. But alas, it didn't happen. I really resented that he tried to force my hand to kill Anders. That was cruel beyond measure, for an alleged religious guy who always gave me disapproval points if I wasn't merciful, and always lectured others to be on the straight & narrow. I wanted to kick his ass with my Kirkwall troops against his abandoned Kingdom. lol

[flannrua]

Solarain wrote...

Sebastian was too vanilla for me. And it would've given a lot more fun to tempt him away from the Chantry. But alas, it didn't happen. I really resented that he tried to force my hand to kill Anders. That was cruel beyond measure, for an alleged religious guy who always gave me disapproval points if I wasn't merciful, and always lectured others to be on the straight & narrow. I wanted to kick his ass with my Kirkwall troops against his abandoned Kingdom. lol

Apart from the fact that, to me, he never came across as a religious zealot at all... religious, yes, passionately so, but a zealot? If he was, the conversations with Fenris, for example, would've been very different.

He said he used to be like Isabela, and he might have shed that skin, but underneath, people never really change -- so  it's very likely that on the inside, he's still that reckless guy he used to be. Plus, the Dragon Age stories are set in a resemblance of a time where vengeance over even the smallest things was a firm part of your life if you belonged to a royal family.
Anyway, on to the point I'm trying to make. So he has some less desirable traits, and guess what happens when someone kills someone you respect and love, whatever kind of love that might be? You snap. So being the person he is, the background he has and because the Grand Cleric obviously meant a lot to him, I found it only natural that he demanded some sort of justice be done. And justice for such things in the represented time and age usually meant execution.

I think Sebastian is a well-thought out and interesting character. When I read over the wiki article about him before playing the game, my heart sank a little because usually I'm not able to put up with passionately religious sorts, but it turned out it was easy for me to like him.
Only thing that disappointed me was that he's no real LI and the flirt options and the "before the final battle"-dialogue seem a bit... generic, if not lazy.

Sorry for the wall of text, hope it didn't critically hit anyone.

TL;DR: I don't think he's a zealot at all, he's royalty and vengeance over the silliest things is part of royal lives in that time and age, he can only keep the recklessness he used to display in check but never lose it entirely, it's only natural he snapped at the destruction of the chantry and the Grand Cleric's death because of what both the institution and the Grand Cleric meant to him personally. He's a well written character and should be a real LI, dammit.

Modifié par flannrua, 17 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[basbaker]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

to me he doesn't stick out that much and feels like a regular companion not someone you pay extra to get, glad i got the signature edition, but i don't dislike him.

I'm wondering if they didn't put any real effort into making Sebastian a viable LI or a better developed storyline in general because 1) he is paid content that not everyone will get, so there is less impetus to develop him fully and 2) he isn't designed to be romanced by male and female alike.  Both of those make him sort of a waste of time and resources, if only in comparison to the other LIs/companions available.  

I do think that as a LI, he was a complete tease on BioWare's part.  Sure there are some flirts, but throughout the game it seems like those flirts are come-ons, and in pretty poor taste.  He never makes a move or even really reciprocates, though he certainly seems flattered by Hawke's attention.  Even after Hawke has done the "chaste marriage" with him, you can flirt your ass off with Zevran and walk away with him for a little fun time (I tried it just to see if Seb would intervene the way Anders and Fenris did), and Sebastian will just stand back silently and shake his head.  That is hardly the kind of tolerance I would extend to my "husband" or want in return. 


Anyway, my point really is that the character can't be blamed for BioWare's decision not to develop him more than they did.  But I can completely understand why people would set him aside in favor of other, more fleshed out companions.  It's just more satisfying.

I still like Sebastian a lot though.  It's just a shame that BioWare didn't think he was worth more time and effort, *especially* since they expect anyone who didn't order the signature edition to actually pay for him.  I'm glad I didn't have to.

Modifié par basbaker, 17 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[basbaker]

flannrua wrote...

TL;DR: I don't think he's a zealot at all, he's royalty and vengeance over the silliest things is part of royal lives in that time and age, he can only keep the recklessness he used to display in check but never lose it entirely, it's only natural he snapped at the destruction of the chantry and the Grand Cleric's death because of what both the institution and the Grand Cleric meant to him personally. He's a well written character and should be a real LI, dammit.

I agree completely.

[Darkannex]

 Mainly what everyone else said. He's nice, he seems like he wants to be a good person, but his waffling on issues drives me crazy, as is his desire for others to do his dirty work. It strikes me as someone that wants to be so pure and clean and above it all, and yet has others do things that must be done and satisfy his darker instincts just so he can continue to feel pure. 

His religion has little to do with it, other than the admitted anger when he sees the Dalish as 'lost souls' that need his religion to save them from a fiery afterlife. Of course, if he means 'lost souls' in the sense that the Dalish are cast out from the general humanity and deserve equality and respect...then...that does not make me angry. But given his character slant...Im thinking it's sadly the former. 

He's like a Chantry Conquistador, come to civilize the savages. 

Modifié par Darkannex, 17 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[nos_astra]

Darkannex wrote...
 Mainly what everyone else said. He's nice, he seems like he wants to be a good person, but his waffling on issues drives me crazy, as is his desire for others to do his dirty work. It strikes me as someone that wants to be so pure and clean and above it all, and yet has others do things that must be done and satisfy his darker instincts just so he can continue to feel pure. 

*sigh* So much potential in a DLC character. If only they had taken their time to develop him more thoroughly.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Darkannex]

It is very true. His character felt rushed and prevaricating. There was tons of potential there to explore.

[nos_astra]

Well, that's what fanfiction is for.

Edit: Or expansions. Or sequels.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 mars 2011 - 02:28 .

[Darkannex]

at the risk of derailing, may I say I love your avatar?

[nos_astra]

Why thank you. I'm very happy about how well it turned out.

She's Sebastian's rival btw., pushing him to taking back Starkhaven and very likely to call him out on his flightiness.

She suspects, he's hiding behind the persona of a devouted Chantry priest. I mean, he used to be an irresponsible brat, only looking out for his own pleasure, then turned to the Chantry that's offering clear rules and makes it easy to tell good from bad. There has to be a middle ground. ^^

See, potential. I kind of like this character.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[Darkannex]

LOL. I'd like to see your sliders on how you managed that look. My females look all clunky. XD

But yes, there's potential...he's just so surface level in comparison to the other characters.

[White_Buffalo94]

froogle345 wrote...

He just didn't suit my personality type, varric, isabela, and anders were the ones who were maxed out on friendship, aveline a bit behind them followed by Merrill and fenris on friendship (only talked with fenris never really used him so no real approval loss chance)

Sebastian and carver were my only rivals, and even carver was cool with me in the end, Sebastian said he would raise hell on anders and me for keeping him, even if justified, I was kinda hoping for the chance to punch anders in the face as well (I did that with isabela, and hawke romanced her)

I have been trying to max rivalry on Seb and Carver for the past 2 playthroughs and I cannot do it
You can punch Isabela?