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[Mahrdol]

The game is ok but it is not a sequel to DA:O which was a great game.

DA:O was the spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate made for the PC. DA:2 is an action console game.

[Galad22]

I was very disappointed. Combat with enemies spawning out of thin air is my pet peeve. combat in this game is tedious and annoying and there is too much of it.

[Felathar]

I am disappointed with the plot. Is not like DAO at all. DAO was such a complex and deep game that makes you play over and over again just to see the other face of the coin so to speak. I will allways remember places like "The sacred ashes" quest in Andraste's tomb. That was one of my favorite quests in the game. I'm not saying DA2 quest are bad but YOU NEVER LEAVE THOSE 3 PLACES!!!. The scenarios are repetitive and not misterious.
The other thing that bugs me is, Why I can't use diferent armors in my companions?
I dont know. Call me old fashion but DAO was way superior and deep and complex. This one looks more like a console game :/

Modifié par Felathar, 15 mars 2011 - 05:53 .

[AJRimmsey]

disappointed

[pottman]

I don't like the ending that much.

[MANCO88]

I'm disappointed with DA2. It's a dummied down version of the original. There isn't any problem solving involved to complete a quest. And, as with most people, the idea to use recycled maps and the inability to outfit the other characters was a terrible idea. Nevertheless, if there is a DA3, I'll most likely buy it. Yep, I'm a sucker.

[TelhdratXYZ]

I actually liked this a lot more than DA:O, which I never felt was truly a successor to Baldur's Gate, though it wasn't a bad game, far from it.

I found the companions and story more interesting in DA2 and it didn't bother me that everyhing happened in Kirkwall. I mean, wasn't that kind of the point here? They could have had more different types of warehouses and dungeons though.

The combat was quite frankly very boring most of the time and I quickly changed the difficulty from Hard to Casual just to get through it faster. However, I had this issue with DA:O as well (and to a lesser degree, both Mass Effects as well), but then I don't really play games for combat anymore (there are some exceptions, but most of them are simulations), and I couldn't care less about inventories.

However, despite the fact that I enjoyed DA2 a lot, I felt it was a bit rushed, especially act three. It could have been so much better with just a little more work, and I don't even mean making the combat more interesting. And I was also left feeling that Hawke's story wasn't finished, which I guess, might be true, but if it's not, I feel a bit dissapointed. Stories should have a proper ending and this didn't feel like it had.

Modifié par TelhdratXYZ, 15 mars 2011 - 06:13 .

[Armatyr]

its rage but out of dissapointment
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[BlackFriar]

simfamSP wrote...

I like DA2 it's a good game. Sure it has it's flaws but at the end of the day, it's superb compared to the other crap out there. I think many people are just dissapointed that it's not up to Bioware's standards. But I guess people don't look at the release date EA gave them, and despite that crappy time limit, which is only worthy for an expansion! They still tried something new (rather foolishly) and did something great within that time!

Glorified, second-rate expansion pack or DLC.   Not a $50 sequel to a great (but tedious limitations on travel, movement causing too many immersion breaks at times, killing its repeatability for me) game.   And don't get me wrong, I loved the story...   I hated the obviously artificial limitations because the people at BioWare aren't clever enough to make non-tunnel-shooter levels.    

Alot of people's rage comes from dissapointment, but are you really going to call this the worst RPG ever? Or the worst piece of **** you have played in a long time? There are hundreds of rubbish games out there that DA2 can smash into rubble! Still...I really think it's not fair on Bioware, the amount of entertainment they have given me is beyond 60$. And even if all this rage was expected, it's undeserved.

Hyperventilate much?   It's not the worst game ever.   it is, in fact getting reviews that put it in the 'adequate' range.  And BELOW that of many expansion packs, DLCs and sequels.

Fallout Tactics, one of the games that did Interplay in, got better reviews as a CRPG and that was its weakest point!     Icewind Dale II was a dungeon crawl with little role-play and got a better rating.    Gothic II, with it's almost insane learning curve and difficult control system got a better rating.   Divine Divinity, whom most people never heard of, got better reviews and it was a 2D game in an industry that had gone 3D.  Heck, both DLCs for ME2 got better ratings (8.5 each, vs 8.0 for DA2).

In fact, DA2 doesn't even make one of the Top-50 CRPGs (in rating) in the past decade.  Whereas the Top-20 include NWN (5th), ME1 (12th), ME2 (10th), DA:O (2nd), BG (7th), BG2 (6th), BG:ToB (19th), Star Wars:KOTOR (15th).  That's EIGHT of the Top-20.  And this game isn't near any of them.

So, we're back to the issue that this game is an obvious cash-in and, therefore, a joke.  It's clearly incomplete/rushed.   It's combat system and level designs are second rate.  Not second rate for a BioWare project, but just second-rate for a CRPG.

Really, a CRPG with a ZERG RUSH?   I expect that in an MMO raid setting.  I expect that in a shooter.   But a CRPG that drops to ZERG RUSHES?   Oh, please.  That's just shabby programing and design.

So when you're apologizing for this second-rate, dumbed-down, plot-less cash-in...    It's not just the fans who've noticed...   It is a second rate game getting reviews like it's a second-rate game.  So stop blaming the 'haters.'   The game is bad by any objective, fair standards.   BioWare screwed up, stop pretending they didn't.

But I still think Bioware should be more clever, especially Mike Laidlaw who was abit  too ambitious with Dragon age 2. If I was the lead designer and saw 1.5 years on a sheet of paper I would be more willing to do an expansion than a full game. Bioware your good, but not that good, and seeing that you have been drained with TOR + the release of ME3... I'm no finincial advisor or game developer, but it's not rocket science to see that a true sequel was impossible in that amount of time.

Yet I appreciate what you have done with DA2 in that short amount of time, but I think you were rather foolish in doing so. Fanboys, haters, lover, whiners, trolls...who cares... do you agree on my points? Or you just hate Bioware fully because of one game? Ofcourse if this trend goes on, and Bioware wants to take the direction of the Action RPG world, I will be very angry.

I don't hate BioWare for one game.  And your childish attempts to dismiss legitimate criticisms of a fundamentally flawed game is just that -- childish.   I don't think everything they do is above reproach.   I think many of their 'high rated' games are over-rated because of the brilliance of the BG cycle gets them a bit too much credit for shabbier, mid-pack efforts.    I think it is both reasonable and fair, and I do, to criticize BioWare for their poor choices and their cashing in on the reputation.  

For example, here's a criticism I've been making on these forums since NWN was in development:  I think BioWare needs to get off their 2.5D butts and make fully 3D games where you can do things like actually step over logs...  Think about that...   You're a wizard.  You control energies strong enough to incinerate a dragon.   You can't climb over a log that a 6-year-old-child could scale...    You can't walk up a 3' embankment, but have to run 100 yards through the forest to move all of 10 feet in horizontal direction...   Those are some a major immersion breaks...

Well, BioWare has made it clear -- they don't care.   They'd rather take the easy way out of that problem.  Which is why I don't buy everything they make anymore.  I skipped buying ME1, and it was a decision well-supported when I played my daughter's copy, for a couple of days.   I just couldn't finish the game due to the lousy controls, lousy maps, the lousy Mako, the time-wasting, pointless money (resource) gathering (come on, I'm a government agent for an Intergalactic Civilization, why am I not on an expense account?   Really?   Did nobody in BioWare think how stupid this was...) as well as the whole 'tunnel shooter' level design...   Blech...

Anyway, worst game ever?  Only in your strawman.   Disappointing?  Vastly.  Fundamentally flawed?  Absolutely.   Worth buying?  Bargain bin.

Will BioWare change what they're doing based on fan criticisms of their products?   History says no...   All that remains to be seen is if they follow the Interplay path into gaming irrelevance or they learn from this lesson...

[vometia]

General Flynt wrote...

People are wrong about it being too short. It feels like a very long RPG. I usually I would have finished it by now , but I just am not having the desire to even play anymore after the deep roads...

It seems a bit much to unequivocally say people are "wrong": many people (myself included) actually like playing nice long RPGs; around 100 hours seems ideal, though some have more longevity without feeling that they've run their course.  My personal feeling is that, though not unacceptably short, there could have been more to it.  I guess another casualty of EA's rushed release schedule.

[Byth]

In fact, DA2 doesn't even make one of the Top-50 CRPGs (in rating) in the past decade.  Whereas the Top-20 include NWN (5th), ME1 (12th), ME2 (10th), DA:O (2nd), BG (7th), BG2 (6th), BG:ToB (19th), Star Wars:KOTOR (15th).  That's EIGHT of the Top-20.  And this game isn't near any of them.

Dragon Age II came out 2011, so it's in a different decade and can't be compared like that. Also, to people who say DA2 is short I played it for 30 hours and I played DA:O for 40 hours. It's not short, it's just not as long as DA:O.

Modifié par Byth, 15 mars 2011 - 07:41 .

[Cade90]

I'm disappointed in DA2 because having enemies materialize out of thin air is just idiotic, and so is enemies exploding after being hit by a single arrow. Also, I enjoyed talking to the companions in the camp in DA:O. In DA2, I'm glad when any character except Fenris or Merrill has more than 3 lines per act.

[Kortok]

I don't know what to tell you. The camera is terrible, reused dungeons, can't change companion armor, can't change companion weapon type, no friendly fire on hard difficulty, respawning enemies making the game an aoe fest, entire game takes place in one city, removal of non combat skills/crafting, weak boss encounters, poor companion race variety, forced into being human...

The negative reviews the game is getting are 100% warranted from what I can see.

[Jzadek72]

Kortok wrote... entire game takes place in one city, poor companion race variety, forced into being human...

Surely the character's personality should matter, rather than race? And being a game based in one city is what excites me most about DA3.

[ZombiesAteHim]

I am mystified by the da2 hatred.  It's different, and there are some irritating glitches, but it's good.  I thought it was a bit too short compared to the previous dragon age, but it had a lot of improvements.  I liked the story very much, and I felt far more moved by it than DA:O.  I was psyched about the first DA; however, it got boring really fast.  I also liked ME2, so I suppose I'm the minority.  I guess intelligent people can like games that people dub "dumb" also.  I'm also what is apparently referred to as a "story****" as well; I guess that comes with an IQ.  I'm going to be livid if they take the voice acting out just to ingratiate the Dragon Rage.

[cast_]

It was ok.

[Boudicia_]

I loved the game. Yes it was different from DAO in many ways and I do miss some things from DAO; but, I also liked the changes in inventory management, the changes in combat, - in other words, the failings, at least for me, are balanced out. And where it excels it really excels - namely, in my opinion, in the story. Is it as epic as DAO? No, but it is more personal and tragic. I care much more about the companions in DA2; I also think the romances are more compelling; especially Fenris (I only explored the 3 guys for romance partners). *shrug* I guess it is all a matter of taste. The quests were *much* more engaging I thought - but would have liked a little longer game.

[Ostagar2011]

Disappointed by BioWare's lack of vision. By its lack of faith in its own strengths.

They say RPGs are dying. Yet Origins and Awakening and Ultimate Edition must be way north of 4 million. Now admittedly Origins had a long development cycle, but I'm sure it still made a healthy return.

BioWare reposition a brand that shouts "core RPG" into one that attempts to sit in the "fun-action-twitch" genre, and stand back while casual players tear their fans apart for being elitist, afraid of change etc.

What would Infinity Ward fans do, if suddenly in Modern Warfare 3 you had to go back over long maps to finish sidequests, and combat was turn based, and there was lots of boring dialogue before you could work out where Zakhaev was? All hell would break loose.

And I dare say, RPG fans would be all over Infinity Ward forums telling the core FPS fans to "lighten up" on the "hate". Would that change also mean an "evolution" of the FPS-genre? Would anyone resisting that change be called elitist, console purist whatever? Would PC Gamer also give that mongrel a "94% OMG FPS of the decade"?

BioWare have lost the plot. Quel horreur, as David Gaider once said...

[stragonar]

I'd have to say when i first tried out the demo I was a bit horrified by some of the changes to the combat, but after reading some of the reviews about it I decided to purchase the 360 version (have the DAO on PC). I have to say i was much relieved to find that I actually liked the new combat system for the most part but sadly I don't feel I can play the game until it is patched. The armor/weapon equipping bug is just too game breaking for me and I'm more than a little pissed off to see that in a released game. Come to think of it...you could't even check/change your inventory in the demo......just how long has this bug been known about I wonder?

[dxusaus]

I really liked the game but i didn't love it.

[Realmzmaster]

IMHO, I think DA 2 and DA:O are both great games in their own way. I like the emphasis on one city in DA 2. It was a change on pace from traveling all over Thedas. It was different. I like the companion choices. Ienjoyed the game and got my money's worth. YMMV.

[JamieCOTC]

There are certain aspects of DA2 that I love, but there are a lot more that I do not love, so color me disappointed in the game overall.

[moilami]

I found DA2 to be unplayable. So I stopped playing it. I begun to play the Witcher I bought a month ago or so and I am having great time with it. Next month I buy a flight sim. Life is good. I don't play crap games. Life is too short for that.