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[Capt. Kirrahe]

 I've seen a number of posts along the lines of "The Warden is Epic, Hawke not so much". A lot of those comments reflected my initial impression on finishing the game. In Origins, you have the distinct sense that the warden is making things happen, pushing the various peoples of Ferelden into action against the blight and cleaning up a bunch of messes along the way. By the end credits, most if not all players had the feeling that their character is something of a fantasy Chuck Norris, capable of farting oghren a lullaby and plastering the roofs of Denerim with Old God simultaneously. 

On the other hand, I felt like things were happening to Hawke, or that he was a witness to the events of the story as much as a participant. At the end of each act, crazy things happened and instead of Hawke settling things down, things just got worse/more complicated. Nothing is solved in Dragon Age II, there is no heroic victory or rescue. Even the Champion's victory against the Qunari feels temporary and carries the shadow of future conflict. Usually when a person consigns their last words to threats of revenge in a fantasy novel, it means bad things are on the way. 

So does this mean that Hawke isn't a great character? I thought so at first, but after giving it some time, I actually respect what Bioware has done here. They may have created the most "human" character I've seen in a game. Hawke isn't some ser in shining armor, no matter what the populace of Kirkwall chose to call him/her. He or she has human motives as a poverty stricken immigrant in Act I, and in Act II you get the feeling he's just trying to keep his family and his little gang in one piece (and maybe keep an eye on his shiny new fortune). In Act III, no matter what choices you make, they will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Sure you can be pro-mage or pro-templar, but these viewpoints are far from morally certain paragon/renegade worldviews, and taking one path or the other will force you to make some tough decisions. 

William Goldman said it best in the Princess Bride "Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death". Hawke lived through one of the more tumultuous decades in Thedan history (In terms of social change), and has survived to keep fighting. What happens next will be epic I think, and more so because Bioware gave us the opportunity to play a life sized PC. 

[LeaveMeAlone9009]

I thought so at first, but then I realized Hawke is just a ****** who doesnt know how to react correctly to anything.

"Oh no, my mom has been murdered by blood mages."

"Oh no, my bro died by troll."

"Oh no, my sis died by blight"

"Well im good now, thats been a whole week since that happened, let me romance this pirate ho."

"oh no, pirate ho left my party, ill get over it."

"oh no, I want more money."

"hey, what should I be thinking now voice wheel? generally the same thing always?"

"Meredith, whats with that sword? doood stop attacking me Sephiroth! oh noooooOOooo"


Varric Says: "DAMN BRO, I WANT SOME OF THE MEDS YOURE TAKING!"

[HarlequinKing]

I think this game was written for people who are tired of being the one to save the whole darn world. I never get tired of that, but I know some people who are, and who would prefer a toned-down story with a more personal, local character.

Being Champion of Kirkwall isn't as cool as being Hero of Ferelden, but for some people, that's okay.

[NvVanity]

For a non-Grey Warden, Hawke has quite the record. By the end of the game i've killed hundreds of mercs, slayed multiple dragons and even Pride and Desire demons and we can't forget the Qunari and whatever your end choice was.

[Capt. Kirrahe]

You forgot:

"Oh no I slaughtered my elf girlfriend's entire clan over a broken mirror"

[LeaveMeAlone9009]

Capt. Kirrahe wrote...

You forgot:

"Oh no I slaughtered my elf girlfriend's entire clan over a broken mirror"

Well I never romanced Merril because I got tired of talking to people.

But yeah, that too.

[Everwarden]

NvVanity wrote...

For a non-Grey Warden, Hawke has quite the record. By the end of the game i've killed hundreds of mercs, slayed multiple dragons and even Pride and Desire demons and we can't forget the Qunari and whatever your end choice was.

The number isn't really relevent. You 'kill' thousands of no-name extras who die in one shot and keep coming in waves out of nowhere, and Hawke still doesn't feel half as powerful as the Warden. 

[Spinez0rd]

NvVanity wrote...

For a non-Grey Warden, Hawke has quite the record. By the end of the game i've killed hundreds of mercs, slayed multiple dragons and even Pride and Desire demons and we can't forget the Qunari and whatever your end choice was.

What choice ?
You will fight the Qunari anyway. And the templars. And the Mages. 
You don't really have a choice. 

And Hawke is just.. boring. 

[JLilz]

Capt. Kirrahe wrote...

You forgot:

"Oh no I slaughtered my elf girlfriend's entire clan over a broken mirror"

Hahahahaha! Nice one.

Anyway I throughly enjoyed this game. DA:O was a story about an epic hero saving all of Fereldan and Thedas from the Blight, the way I see it you cant keep saving the world again and again. Making another Blight wouldn't make for a great game so they went away from the Grey Warden path to make something unique. The Templar vs Mage conflict is a huge part of the story and I think they did an excellent job with it in this game. I cant wait to see where the story will go next with DLC and DA3. Cheers to Bioware!

[LeaveMeAlone9009]

I didnt even feel powerful after I solo'd the Arishok, no cool finisher move, nothing. He just dies and says "WE SHALL RETURN!"

WTF?

I should have impaled him, then dislodged him with a sudden reverse thrust, spun around and decapitated him or something. Where is the rage? I was using the Fist response through the entire game, shouldnt that stick out more in my characters personality?

Thats why I think they should have had some form of paragon/renegade meter that permanently effects your characters OVER ALL disposition. I realize this would mean WAY more voice acting for Hawke, but it would have created a more believable character. Unless Hawke is supposed to just be a manic psycho with 5 different personalities. Which is fine.

I just didnt see him as that type.

[Kenshen]

The threat the warden faced was far more clear to the general public and defeating that threat obiviously was a huge deal. Hawke's situation was more behind the scences slowly building up to the boiling point. Plus we as Hawke didn't settle anything really.

i suppose it depends on how you played but I felt like mine was a commoner who made the best attempt at making a new home and life for himself and family (what remained) and friends. Never really wanted to be a hero and looking back on it never was and I am fine with that. I don't think the game was suppose to really create a new hero, least like the warden, but to show how the wheels of change start to spin.

Of course it is out of my hands how this series moves forward but if I could control my Hawke's future then you would never find me, Beth, and Isabella. The feeling I got from my Hawke is about the same it is for me in RL I really only care about protecting my family and friends not getting invovled in a war.