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[brynne]

Kronner wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Earth is only one planet, so it's not an ultimate sacrifice yet this "someone" you speak of dieing makes it an ultimate sacrifice? Tell me how that works.

And how does turning off the relay sacrifices Earth? Tell me how that works.

Death = ultimate sacrifice, that is just axiomatic.

Assumption: Reapers are on their way to Earth/Sol system (we know from the ME3 trailer they'll get there eventually).
Shepard deactivates the Charon relay, cutting off the Reapers from the rest of the relay network. They're stuck in the Sol system and the rest of the galaxy has time to organize for battle.
Ergo, Earth has been sacrificed to give everyone else a fighting chance.  

[Spectreshadow]

Kronner wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Earth is only one planet, so it's not an ultimate sacrifice yet this "someone" you speak of dieing makes it an ultimate sacrifice? Tell me how that works.

And how does turning off the relay sacrifices Earth? Tell me how that works.

Death = ultimate sacrifice, that is just axiomatic.

So without a mass relay it would take what decades if not centuries for someone to get from the nearest relay to Earth right?  That to me is the ultimate sacrifice as again Earth is cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  If you do not see the signifiance of that I am done discussing this.

[LOLZAO]

osamman wrote...

The numbers Shepard! What do the numbers mean!

Harbinger,Soverign,Saren all must DIE!

[AdmiralCheez]

The admiral is most pleased.

[Spectreshadow]

brynne wrote...

Kronner wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Earth is only one planet, so it's not an ultimate sacrifice yet this "someone" you speak of dieing makes it an ultimate sacrifice? Tell me how that works.

And how does turning off the relay sacrifices Earth? Tell me how that works.

Death = ultimate sacrifice, that is just axiomatic.

Assumption: Reapers are on their way to Earth/Sol system (we know from the ME3 trailer they'll get there eventually).
Shepard deactivates the Charon relay, cutting off the Reapers from the rest of the relay network. They're stuck in the Sol system and the rest of the galaxy has time to organize for battle.
Ergo, Earth has been sacrificed to give everyone else a fighting chance.  

I never considered trapping them here.  I actually like this a whole lot more.  Thank you.

[Kronner]

brynne wrote...

Assumption: Reapers are on their way to Earth/Sol system (we know from the ME3 trailer they'll get there eventually).
Shepard
deactivates the Charon relay, cutting off the Reapers from the rest of
the relay network. They're stuck in the Sol system and the rest of the
galaxy has time to organize for battle.
Ergo, Earth has been sacrificed to give everyone else a fighting chance.  

That would make sense if Reapers actually were attacking Earth already, and then Shepard would disable the relay. That would be cool, but then again, Reapers built the thing, they surely know how to enable/unlock it.

Spectreshadow wrote...

So without a mass relay it would take what decades if not centuries for someone to get from the nearest relay to Earth right?  That to me is the ultimate sacrifice as again Earth is cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  If you do not see the signifiance of that I am done discussing this.

Who's to say you can't enable the relay later? What about geth, they might be able to provide a replacement.
If anything, disabling the relay is a big "FU Reapers" gesture, Sovereign himself said that by using the relays we go where they want us to go.

Modifié par Kronner, 15 mars 2011 - 05:53 .

[RainyDayLover]

Kronner wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Earth is only one planet, so it's not an ultimate sacrifice yet this "someone" you speak of dieing makes it an ultimate sacrifice? Tell me how that works.

And how does turning off the relay sacrifices Earth? Tell me how that works.

Death = ultimate sacrifice, that is just axiomatic.

First of all, it wasn't me who made that statement.

You said that the Reapers can get wherever they want no matter what....but how does sacrificing an individual ensure that the Reapers won't still find their way in? Bottom line, we wouldn't have ME3 without the Reapers and I think the poster who made the statement was trying to convey that by turning off the relay and sacrificing Earth, Shepard would simply be buying time. You've said so yourself, Earth isn't important -- so by making the "ultimate sacrifice" (ie. millions of lives), we'd be buying time to save the rest of the humanity and galaxy. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that.

[crusher1990]

Maybe there are 304942 reapers...

[stu117]

brynne wrote...

Assumption: Reapers are on their way to Earth/Sol system (we know from the ME3 trailer they'll get there eventually).
Shepard deactivates the Charon relay, cutting off the Reapers from the rest of the relay network. They're stuck in the Sol system and the rest of the galaxy has time to organize for battle.
Ergo, Earth has been sacrificed to give everyone else a fighting chance.  

As long as shepard gets to organize the battle...... i dont wanna be stuck there maybe shut it off with.... something like a camera timer? lol

[Moving7arg37]

Add up the numbers and it equals 22. First number is 3. Soooo March 22nd. A week away. On a Tuesday. Or it's April 22nd. I'm just spit balling here. I was hoping for more of this numbers manipulation already.

[Fiery Phoenix]

RainyDayLover wrote...

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First of all, it wasn't me who made that statement.

You said that the Reapers can get wherever they want no matter what....but how does sacrificing an individual ensure that the Reapers won't still find their way in? Bottom line, we wouldn't have ME3 without the Reapers and I think the poster who made the statement was trying to convey that by turning off the relay and sacrificing Earth, Shepard would simply be buying time. You've said so yourself, Earth isn't important -- so by making the "ultimate sacrifice" (ie. millions of lives), we'd be buying time to save the rest of the humanity and galaxy. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that.

This, essentially.

No need to lose sleep over it; it's only a theory that aims to rationalize deactivating a mass relay. Nothing more.

[brynne]

Kronner wrote...

That would make sense if Reapers actually were attacking Earth already, and then Shepard would disable the relay. That would be cool, but then again, Reapers built the thing, they surely know how to enable/unlock it.

Who's to say you can't enable the relay later? What about geth, they might be able to provide a replacement.
If anything, disabling the relay is a big "FU Reapers" gesture, Sovereign himself said that by using the relays we go where they want us to go.

Well yeah, this entire theory is based on lots of assumptions and little fact. But isn't Arrival supposed to be the bridging DLC? Judging from the ME3 trailer, the Reapers have already arrived (no pun intended) so... I don't know, I just want to sacrifice Earth

Well, the Reapers also made the Keepers to activate (or do something, my memory is a bit fuzzy) the Citadel relay and the Protheans reprogrammed them. If it's possible to reprogram a species, why couldn't Shep (with the help of the good kidnapped doctor) disable a mass relay beyond repair so to speak?

[Shepherd10]

Telemachus78 wrote...

Yeah no kidding. 

[Moving7arg37]

If it's just to shut down one of the relays I don't see how it would entirely fit in with the start of ME3.

Modifié par Moving7arg37, 15 mars 2011 - 06:03 .

[Spectreshadow]

I love how we are blending the dlc with me3. Good discussion though, just have to wait now.

[Kronner]

RainyDayLover wrote...

You said that the Reapers can get wherever they want no matter what....but how does sacrificing an individual ensure that the Reapers won't still find their way in? Bottom line, we wouldn't have ME3 without the Reapers and I think the poster who made the statement was trying to convey that by turning off the relay and sacrificing Earth, Shepard would simply be buying time. You've said so yourself, Earth isn't important -- so by making the "ultimate sacrifice" (ie. millions of lives), we'd be buying time to save the rest of the humanity and galaxy. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that.

The ultimate sacrifice achievement might not be even linked to Reapers.

I mean if Reapers want, they will annihilate Earth no matter what, turning off the relay only delays their further progress. I honestly do not see how is that a sacrifice. IMHO it would be a smart decision based on the fact that Earth is done anyway.

[Spectreshadow]

Moving7arg37 wrote...

If it's just to shut down one of the relays I don't see how it would entirely fit in with the start of ME3.

There is  no start to ME3 that we know of.

[Moving7arg37]

Spectreshadow wrote...

Moving7arg37 wrote...

If it's just to shut down one of the relays I don't see how it would entirely fit in with the start of ME3.

There is  no start to ME3 that we know of.

This is true. I'm making poor assumptions of what the "start" of ME3 will be from nothing.

[Spectreshadow]

Also show of hands on who thinks Earth is already under attack when 3 starts.

[Pwener2313]

With that single 2nd screenshot, it's obvious that the Reapers are involved and that the Relays play an importyant final role to conclude ME2.

Also, how can shutting down sol's relay be the ultimate sacrifice?

1. If all the Reapers went to Earth (very unlikely) then in less then a week, Earth would have been a parking lot, yet in one week's time only one relatively small area in the globe is being attacked and there is still resistance against the Reapers.

2. I the sol relay was deactivated, how was Shepard overlooking Earth?

That theory just got it's ass kicked.

[lordnyx1]

Hmm my guess. They're evacuation vessels the scrolling list behind the large white number have both pending, possible and suspend sounds very airline like to me. Maybe the number represent number of passengers? Heck Helix(sixth name down on the list) sounds like a decent spaceline/spaceliners name.
or maybe its a stock market and one has to figure out which of the harvested materials they want to sell and to whom:lol:.

Modifié par lordnyx1, 15 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[Spectreshadow]

Pwener2313 wrote...

With that single 2nd screenshot, it's obvious that the Reapers are involved and that the Relays play an importyant final role to conclude ME2.

Also, how can shutting down sol's relay be the ultimate sacrifice?

1. If all the Reapers went to Earth (very unlikely) then in less then a week, Earth would have been a parking lot, yet in one week's time only one relatively small area in the globe is being attacked and there is still resistance against the Reapers.

2. I the sol relay was deactivated, how was Shepard overlooking Earth?

That theory just got it's ass kicked.

You can't use a cinematic trailer for definitive proof.  This has always been the case.

[FrancisKitt]

LOLZAO wrote...

osamman wrote...

The numbers Shepard! What do the numbers mean!

Harbinger,Soverign,Saren all must DIE!

*glass punch*

[Pwener2313]

lordnyx1 wrote...

Hmm my guess. They're evacuation vessels the scrolling list behind the large white number have both pending, possible and suspend sounds very airline like to me. Maybe the number represent number of passengers? Heck Helix sounds like a decent spaceline/spaceliners name.
or maybe its a stock market and one has to figure out which of the harvested materials they want to sell and to whom.

..... or it's how many Reapers have been detected when crossing the first relay after reaching the galaxy.