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[Iwasdrunkbro]

Kane-Corr wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

Did a Mod just get shot down in his own forum....

And people still want Bioware to comment on the game.....please! And they wonder why this ceases to be....

It's because no one has respect anymore. I miss the days when the forumites actually respected the Developers....and it was in THIS way that a constructive environment was formed....when the community could contribute ideas to the team...and voila! Our vision of a better game would be instilled in the next installment. People really need to take a good look at what they say in here. But I guess that whole saying of give a little, take a lot should be applied here.

I miss the days when Bioware made good games and I didnt have to wait for a review to make my purchase because I knew if it had the Bioware tag it was going to be godly. I miss the days when features that the community actually enjoyed werent stripped from future projects simply because they need to be streamlined to save money. I miss the days when devs actually spent their time making the game theyre promoting instead of wasting resources on day one DLC.

Please, do not shift the blame of this to the consumers that pay the salary of said developers. I do not like being treated like a cow placed on this earth only to hand EA money while being nickel and dimed on content that should be mine with the purchase of my PRODUCT.

Modifié par Iwasdrunkbro, 15 mars 2011 - 05:19 .

[TheRealJayDee]

DJBare wrote...

One of the weakest arguments I see in here "You don't dress your partner real life do you?"; it's not real life.

One of the enjoyments I got from DA:O was kitting my team to look the way I wanted them, heck I'd even give them weaker armor if it looked better than stronger armor.

This.

[DownyTif]

Kane-Corr wrote...

ZDProletariat wrote...

I enjoy this change. I enjoy customization as much as the next guy, but it gets ridiculous when you have an entire dungeon worth of items that you need to equip for four different characters, some overlapping.
Then when you finally get done getting them all equipped with the marginally better equipment, you realize Morrigan is wearing the most horribly ugly hat you've ever seen, and sten looks like a walking brick with steel girders. You are forced to mismatch just to wear the best gear until you get the late game gear sets.

In DA2, they just wear their cool looking outfits! It's fine! It's cool! If you still want to customize ugly different items, you still have Hawke!
People will complain about anything, won't they?

YES I agree with this! People need to realize it is also NOT realistic to be dressing up your partner, and scavenging the earth for countless items.....I mean, where DO you store all of that?!

To me, what's not realistic is to have a damn great armor in my backpack and have Aveline don't wear it. You could argue that she doesn't want you to tell her how to dress, but in that case why bother deciding where we want her to go in a battle, what ability to use at a precise moment, etc. I mean it's not underwear, it's an armor. And no tank would refuse a nice magical better armor because it doesn't fit her look and she "dies" more with the default one. Not fitting? well drop less armor in loots and put a smithy NPC somewhere in the city that fix that for you, for a small pay.

[element eater]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You can find armour upgrades for Fenris that "would be perfect for Fenris." All games have limitations. We can't cater to every individual's imagination.

but those limitations werent in dao so why did u add them? why would any one add limitations?

[Killa2k]

marcbenigni wrote...

YES I agree with this! People need to realize it is also NOT realistic to be dressing up your partner, and scavenging the earth for countless items.....I mean, where DO you store all of that?!

OK, I guess I have to concede that argument makes sense, at least. I mean people, regardless of their profession, just don't change their outfits (meaning equipment, not clothes, of course) all that frequently.

That said, I still think it's fun to have a wide variety of weapons/armour/gear and make creative decisions about how to use them. That's part of the traditional RPG gameplay. As for realism, there are people shooting lightning bolts out their butts; how far can we possibly take the argument either way?

this....and also on another realism note u wouldnt wear the same stuff as u advance and become stronger and more powerfull even boxers dont do that they prosper and improve....nor in my opinion would the same armour last 3 years of near constant battle..and as stated before....its an RPG not a life sim...

Modifié par Killa2k, 15 mars 2011 - 05:23 .

[DrMatta]

I think he meant stuff you could do in every other RPG since 1990 (customization)

[AkiKishi]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

DJBare wrote...

One of the weakest arguments I see in here "You don't dress your partner real life do you?"; it's not real life.

One of the enjoyments I got from DA:O was kitting my team to look the way I wanted them, heck I'd even give them weaker armor if it looked better than stronger armor.

This.

While I don't dress her I do buy her things which she wears. Maybe I'll try that guys logic next time she wants to "upgrade" her diamond necklace or something.

One of the easy methods is to only allow companions to be given better stuff and refuse anything of lesser quality. That meets both game and "realism" concerns.

[nightlordv]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You can find armour upgrades for Fenris that "would be perfect for Fenris." All games have limitations. We can't cater to every individual's imagination.

Ok...then why did you cater to our imaginations in Dragon Age Origins? Where you could have everyone in your party equipped with whatever you wanted them to have? 

[Funkjoker]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You can find armour upgrades for Fenris that "would be perfect for Fenris." All games have limitations. We can't cater to every individual's imagination.

Aahh, but the vast superior game called DAO doesn't have this limitation. I wonder if you call this regression or improvement.

[marcbenigni]

Kane-Corr wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

Did a Mod just get shot down in his own forum....

And people still want Bioware to comment on the game.....please! And they wonder why this ceases to be....

It's because no one has respect anymore. I miss the days when the forumites actually respected the Developers....and it was in THIS way that a constructive environment was formed....when the community could contribute ideas to the team...and voila! Our vision of a better game would be instilled in the next installment. People really need to take a good look at what they say in here. But I guess that whole saying of give a little, take a lot should be applied here.

I didn't even realize the poster was a mod when I responded to the quote.  Nor should I have.  I respond to the statement on its own merits.

It shouldn't be necessary to handle the mod with kid gloves; he's a professional.  I've seen mods get into heated discussions on many forums, and I generally take it as a prerequisite that they have pretty thick skins.

If Stan Woo chooses to argue in defense of DA2 that's totally cool, but his arguments need to be logical and defensible like anyone else's.  Versus the quote implying that it's impossible to cater to "all our imaginations" by allowing us to select a piece of armor.

I'd take it as an act of good will if he didn't take any great offense at that, or lock the thread.

[Thalandor21]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You can find armour upgrades for Fenris that "would be perfect for Fenris." All games have limitations. We can't cater to every individual's imagination.

True enough, and they're precious indeed those upgrades since they're the only ones you get. You better not miss them, or no new armor for you !

My favorite character is Varrick and I was looking forward to having his armor fully upgraded, only to find out that I can't because a designer decided to put his fourth armor upgrade in a side quest that will only appear if you have imported an awakening save or selected one of the 3 backgrounds (Martyr).  I picked the default background story, so I'm screwed, no Finding Nathaniel quest in my game, no Varric complete armor.

Sorry if I'm complaining a lot,  it just baffles me how a designer can do little choices like that and screw the game for the completionists out there. Would it have been hard to put the fourth upgrade in his own companion quest, like most other NPCs ?

Like the post topic said: This is SO frustrating!

[Galad22]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You can find armour upgrades for Fenris that "would be perfect for Fenris." All games have limitations. We can't cater to every individual's imagination.

Why must you frustrate people with these sort of comments. You catered in da:o. Limiting peoples choices is annoying and people don't like it. Not all of us anyway.

[BeljoraDien]

The Brigand wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

And people still want Bioware to comment on the game.....please! And they wonder why this ceases to be....

It's because no one has respect anymore.

Are people just supposed to not point out what he walked right into when he said that?

I think it's best to just highlight it, let it sink in, and not comment on it.
There's no joy in the easy kill.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yeah, I don't understand this at all. I liked that Morrigan had her own unique robes in Origins and that they could be upgraded. They represented her style and the upgraded robes were powerful but she COULD wear other clothes if a player thought it was necessary. Heck, NPCs complaining about having to wear something that doesn't fit their tastes might be a funny conversation in the game if the devs put a moment of time into it. Or heck, put a dye system into the game to customize the look of armors/outfits to fit the look of a character. If not, it comes down to personal protection, would a character really forsake something because it's the wrong color or style? I'd personally put on pink sparkly fairy princess armor if it could save my life in a lethal situation.

[Imryll]

Kane-Corr wrote...
Plus, we all know that Bioware was under pressure and a strict time limit...so we all should cut them a little bit of slack.

Ummm .... why?  They charged full price for the game.  If it were priced like an expansion pack, then I'd agree that we should adjust our expectations to the price point.

[marcbenigni]

I'd personally put on pink sparkly fairy princess armor if it could save my life in a lethal situation.

Or even just to get a laugh.

[marcbenigni]

Ummm .... why? They charged full price for the game. If it were priced like an expansion pack, then I'd agree that we should adjust our expectations to the price point.

Then again, after paying $40 for Awakenings, I've gotta say my expectations were already a little shaken.

[Debakoleriker]

Kane-Corr wrote...

It's not an epic fail....If I trained with/used daggers all my life, I obviously haven't used a bow or a shield in combat....so, they spare you the trouble of TRYING to put those things on certain characters. It would be wasted effort for you to do this, and wasted dialogue for the character to say..."No, I don't know how to use this." Causes confusion and stuff....just unnecessary....not mainstream, streamlined....just a different way of doing things.

doesnt the ability point system reflect training and experience? Why can't they learn something else? How come people worked without computers for decades and then learn to use them instead of saying "No, I don't know how to use this." Why can the maincharacter do both SnB and 2h instead of specialising before the game starts? How about we make 2h and SnB different classes from now on ... (I miss my DW Warrior :[ )

If it would have been an option, I would have let Carver stay with Gamlen, gone up to the next best guy/guard/merc/table with a shield and offered him 20 sovereigns to join me....

[Nozybidaj]

Don't worry with all the complaining about getting gear and outfits you can't equip on your companions BW will fix it for the next game. By DA3 there won't be any loot at all and the PC will just have a single "character defining" outfit like your companions that auto-levels with you.

Remember if you don't want it removed don't complain about it.

[Debakoleriker]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

DJBare wrote...

One of the weakest arguments I see in here "You don't dress your partner real life do you?"; it's not real life.

One of the enjoyments I got from DA:O was kitting my team to look the way I wanted them, heck I'd even give them weaker armor if it looked better than stronger armor.

This.

never gone shopping with your - lets call them RL LI - and paid for it or bought him/her/it something to wear as a present? ^^

[ROD525]

Kane-Corr wrote...

ZDProletariat wrote...

I enjoy this change. I enjoy customization as much as the next guy, but it gets ridiculous when you have an entire dungeon worth of items that you need to equip for four different characters, some overlapping.
Then when you finally get done getting them all equipped with the marginally better equipment, you realize Morrigan is wearing the most horribly ugly hat you've ever seen, and sten looks like a walking brick with steel girders. You are forced to mismatch just to wear the best gear until you get the late game gear sets.

In DA2, they just wear their cool looking outfits! It's fine! It's cool! If you still want to customize ugly different items, you still have Hawke!
People will complain about anything, won't they?

YES I agree with this! People need to realize it is also NOT realistic to be dressing up your partner, and scavenging the earth for countless items.....I mean, where DO you store all of that?!

But its "realistic" to pick your partners stats and abilitys but not their armor........OK.
 

[blacqout]

I liked that each companion had their own unique look. Did many people take Morrigan out of her default robes? (and put her in something else instead of having her run around in her knickers, i mean.)

It would have been better if the armour upgrades actually changed the look of a companions outfit a little, but that's my only complaint.

[Debakoleriker]

blacqout wrote...

I liked that each companion had their own unique look. Did many people take Morrigan out of her default robes? (and put her in something else instead of having her run around in her knickers, i mean.)

It would have been better if the armour upgrades actually changed the look of a companions outfit a little, but that's my only complaint.

true enough. or how about giving them different outfits for every act or certain occasions (trip to sundermount is different from a trip to the hanged man). everyone got a favourite clothing item, be it dress, suit, shirt, w/e and still doesn't wear it every day for 10 years ^^

[aries1001]

DA: Origins were made in 5-7 years, DA2 in maybe 2½-3 years. This means more limited to make the game, and maybe more limited budgets as well. Somethings neeed to be cut, and sadly, this time around it was the armour for the companions - as well as some other stuff. Real life have limits to what we, or the devs. can do - or we're able to do.