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[Chaos-fusion]

nightlordv wrote...

Yes

Ah, that has no replies because it's locked.

[man giraffe-dog is here]

this needs a bump as well

[Shabdez]

Silvermaul wrote...

 OK so let me get this straight, you are so sick of people telling you that you have failed that you only want to hear the "registered" owners? What's next?

"Registered Game Owner Who Like Dragon Age II and he will write that he likes it thread"?

The epic failure of Dragon Age II is only surpassed by the fact that you honestly think that this game is good. Sorry for being so harsh however from all the great bioware rpgs I have played this is the worst by far. 

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This reasoning looks kinda twisted to me.
On one hand, when it comes to game development, everyone expects sheer perfection from Bioware. Their games beyond any doubt MUST have truely epic and thrilling stories, well developed characters, perfectly balanced class and skill systems, an A.I. acting like a human counterpart (or little worse, you want to beat it at least), and so forth. How can you expect this to be achieved if not with lots of wits, cleverness and creativity on the part of the Bioware people?
On the other hand, when it comes to Customer Relation and Market Research, you´re questioning Bioware´s ability to react on customer feedback in a reasonable and professional way and consider them to act like a prima donna, dancing for her own shadow, far away from reality.

Get away from the extremes. Bioware is neither pure Hero nor pure Zero. Trust me, they are going to have their lessons learnt meetings when time has come and they will carefully scrutinise player feedback and reviews - especially the bad ones. I´m confident in that.

[didymos1120]

nightlordv wrote...

It is not privately VIEWED.

Which is irrelevant, because it's privately OWNED. 

[Torrential]

Shabdez wrote...

Silvermaul wrote...  OK so let me get this straight, you are so sick of people telling you that you have failed that you only want to hear the "registered" owners? What's next? "Registered Game Owner Who Like Dragon Age II and he will write that he likes it thread"? The epic failure of Dragon Age II is only surpassed by the fact that you honestly think that this game is good. Sorry for being so harsh however from all the great bioware rpgs I have played this is the worst by far.  0.02

This reasoning looks kinda twisted to me. On one hand, when it comes to game development, everyone expects sheer perfection from Bioware. Their games beyond any doubt MUST have truely epic and thrilling stories, well developed characters, perfectly balanced class and skill systems, an A.I. acting like a human counterpart (or little worse, you want to beat it at least), and so forth. How can you expect this to be achieved if not with lots of wits, cleverness and creativity on the part of the Bioware people? On the other hand, when it comes to Customer Relation and Market Research, you´re questioning Bioware´s ability to react on customer feedback in a reasonable and professional way and consider them to act like a prima donna, dancing for her own shadow, far away from reality. Get away from the extremes. Bioware is neither pure Hero nor pure Zero. Trust me, they are going to have their lessons learnt meetings when time has come and they will carefully scrutinise player feedback and reviews - especially the bad ones. I´m confident in that.

No from an RPG I just want a decent story, this was an average story based on personal accumulation which didn't really hit the spot for me and others, especially when our choices had so little effect. People who like personal accumulation and found it hit the spot enough for them I can see liking it.It had Nice characters, average combat (repetitive AOE AOE AOE), very repetitive locations, and no real ending or conclusion for the characters. It had a few nice quests with fast urgent pacing, but most quests were quite bland (bland is not limited to bioware by any means), one or two I finished before I realised I had them? Very Bizarre. Such as picking a bottle up somewhere, clicking on someone and being given money for completing a quest I didn't know I had - Very, Very poor quest design. Quest design with one choice is bad enough, quest design with no information is just bad implementation, period.

I actually feel you are wrong on the bad points too. classes were better balanced than in Origins, as AOE rules, and most types of character have a decent AOE skill. Melee two hander AOE or tank mage AOE are balanced at the top end, single target attacks are fine but pointless given how many weak enemy waves we have. Weak enemy waves are part of the problem, so many of them it makes them predictable by Act 2 for any player, and all you need is AOE unless you play on nightmare. (Very obvious, simplistic game design).

Let us touch on how silly making us run everywhere to talk to companions was, when we've already run around the city a 100 times. It wasn't a terrible choice on paper, but given the repetitive facet already, it only added to the annoyance. There was no choice in this game, depth, RP (not G) took a backseat here, as all choices lead to the same events, no real difference. Overall I liked Dragon Age Origins 2 as an action RPG, as a once playthrough 70-80% game, what we expected was an EPIC RP experience. There was nothing wrong with expecting that, as this is DA2 not hello kitty 3 RPG,  it simply didn't get the RP out of the G.

Modifié par Torrential, 20 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[Shabdez]

Torrential wrote...

Shabdez wrote...

Silvermaul wrote...  OK so let me get this straight, you are so sick of people telling you that you have failed that you only want to hear the "registered" owners? What's next? "Registered Game Owner Who Like Dragon Age II and he will write that he likes it thread"? The epic failure of Dragon Age II is only surpassed by the fact that you honestly think that this game is good. Sorry for being so harsh however from all the great bioware rpgs I have played this is the worst by far.  0.02

This reasoning looks kinda twisted to me. On one hand, when it comes to game development, everyone expects sheer perfection from Bioware. Their games beyond any doubt MUST have truely epic and thrilling stories, well developed characters, perfectly balanced class and skill systems, an A.I. acting like a human counterpart (or little worse, you want to beat it at least), and so forth. How can you expect this to be achieved if not with lots of wits, cleverness and creativity on the part of the Bioware people? On the other hand, when it comes to Customer Relation and Market Research, you´re questioning Bioware´s ability to react on customer feedback in a reasonable and professional way and consider them to act like a prima donna, dancing for her own shadow, far away from reality. Get away from the extremes. Bioware is neither pure Hero nor pure Zero. Trust me, they are going to have their lessons learnt meetings when time has come and they will carefully scrutinise player feedback and reviews - especially the bad ones. I´m confident in that.

No from an RPG I just want a decent story, this was an average story based on personal accumulation which didn't really hit the spot for me and others, especially when our choices had so little effect. People who like personal accumulation and found it hit the spot enough for them I can see liking it.It had Nice characters, average combat (repetitive AOE AOE AOE), very repetitive locations, and no real ending or conclusion for the characters. It had a few nice quests with fast urgent pacing, but most quests were quite bland (bland is not limited to bioware by any means), one or two I finished before I realised I had them? Very Bizarre. Such as picking a bottle up somewhere, clicking on someone and being given money for completing a quest I didn't know I had - Very, Very poor quest design. Quest design with one choice is bad enough, quest design with no information is just bad implementation, period.

I actually feel you are wrong on the bad points too. classes were better balanced than in Origins, as AOE rules, and most types of character have a decent AOE skill. Melee two hander AOE or tank mage AOE are balanced at the top end, single target attacks are fine but pointless given how many weak enemy waves we have. Weak enemy waves are part of the problem, so many of them it makes them predictable by Act 2 for any player, and all you need is AOE unless you play on nightmare. (Very obvious, simplistic game design).

Let us touch on how silly making us run everywhere to talk to companions was, when we've already run around the city a 100 times. It wasn't a terrible choice on paper, but given the repetitive facet already, it only added to the annoyance. There was no choice in this game, depth, RP (not G) took a backseat here, as all choices lead to the same events, no real difference. Overall I liked Dragon Age Origins 2 as an action RPG, as a once playthrough 70-80% game, what we expected was an EPIC RP experience. There was nothing wrong with expecting that, as this is DA2 not hello kitty 3 RPG,  it simply didn't get the RP out of the G.

Looks like you totally missed my message. Sorry if I was not clear enough in my wording. Here´s another try:
I see players´ reactions kinda schizophrenic. The exact same people who are praised for making the best games of the universe are considered brainless fools in terms of dealing with customer feedback. So genius and ****** at the same time. Not very likely.
For whatever reason the registered game owners forum was created by BW, I´m quite sure it is not to make critisism unheard. Don´t meet trouble halfway!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Hopefully those who bought this game will carry on fighting the good fight in the "special" forum now. I guess it does cut down on trolls somewhat, to some odd degree. Now trolls have to pay Bioware $60 for the right troll.

I hope Bioware doesn't just listen to feedback there now that the thread has been created, since there are quite a few people who seem happy with whatever Bioware puts out. If they just listen to the yes men, DA 3 will certainly not be a better game.

[Soilborn88]

I own the game and pre-order the game only because I loved Origins and I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt.

MY trust in their ability to deliever a FAIRLY COMPLETE game and quality RPG has been shot to hell.

DA2 just isn't an RPG.

I beat DA2, I uninstalled it and intend to never play it again. I actually went back to Origins but I'm trying to figure out why my character profiles won't upload! If anyone could be so kind, head to the Origins tech support for PC and help me out.

Thanks

[this isnt my name]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Hopefully those who bought this game will carry on fighting the good fight in the "special" forum now. I guess it does cut down on trolls somewhat, to some odd degree. Now trolls have to pay Bioware $60 for the right troll.
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Wrong. (No offense)
The console code is exactly the same for that console, meaning all someone has to do is post the code, then a troll can copy it down and keep acting as though they purchased the game.

All this does is make it easier to ban people.

I saw a few devs posts, the issue isnt banning people for crap like personal attacks (I supposrt banning some of those people), if you do that thats fine, the main issue is you restricting ones right to play the game they payed £40/$60 for. Forum bans shoud start and end at the forum, not effect a persons gaming experience.

[Orizont]

The game must be made "welcoming".
The forums... not so much.

[Perles75]

I don't understand the point!
We still have this forum for the people who did not register the game. Besides, this forum is so polluted by stupid people that I would also like to have a more selected ground to discuss the game, and who better than those who register the game? it doesn't mean automatically that they like it, just that there is more possibility to get more meaningful feedback.