Nonoru wrote...
Mages need to be watched.
Mages shouldn't be locked in a tower.
Someone should watch the templars as well.
The circle in Ferelden was better than Kirkwall's.Greagor and Irving were working together while Meredith and Orsino were in open conflict.It couldn't finish in a good way.
I'd question how, say, the cost-cleanup for Redcliffe was more expensive than the cost of room, board, and education for Conner would have been.Tirigon wrote...
Of course. It is really sad though. I know we´re not supposed to discuss politics, but let me say that I very much dislike this standard of procedure.
As long as they don´t do sh!t, let them walk free, as soon as they do, shoot em. Problem solved, and it´s cheaper than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lifes.
Any given single car really doesn't have the realistic potential to wipe out an entire town, however, and a single car is much easier to stop.I guess that´s why cars are forbidden, after all they kill innocents all the time (in Germany, where I live, a drunk driver killed 4 people just this weekend, by the way). Oh wait- cars are legal.
Ok you need a licence, but then again, I´m not opposed to the mages having to prove their ability to control their power by the Harrowing, which is sort of like the "licence".
If you fail to prevent something bad but preventable from happening, you've indirectly infringed the rights of the person it happened to. People have a right to security from others as much as any, and more than other, rights. A government which neglects the security of its people from others has no legitimacy: in this case, the mages from the people who would gladly kill them out of fear, and the people from the mages who can at any point gain great, destructive, sociopathic powers.Sorry, but that´s bull. There´s no magic force driving you to violate someone´s rights, it is your (or more likely the government´s, but they´re people too) choice.
Like? No. I also don't like paying taxes, obeying traffic laws, and having to submit to passenger screening at the airport. I do see the benefit and reason of all three, however.Lastly, always remember that one thing: If you were a mage, would you like to be imprisoned, constantly being watched and threathened to be stripped of all your emotions and free will?
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Freedom >>>> security.Dean_the_Young wrote...
If you fail to prevent something bad but preventable from happening, you've indirectly infringed the rights of the person it happened to. People have a right to security from others as much as any, and more than other, rights. A government which neglects the security of its people from others has no legitimacy: in this case, the mages from the people who would gladly kill them out of fear, and the people from the mages who can at any point gain great, destructive, sociopathic powers.
I don´t, and at least when it comes to traffic laws I tend to ignore some of them (speed limits, red lights when I´m on foot, pretty much everything when I´m bicycling.....Like? No. I also don't like paying taxes, obeying traffic laws, and having to submit to passenger screening at the airport. I do see the benefit and reason of all three, however.
)You and I already live in surveilance states, and we already live in societies where we can be locked away for even victimless crimes. While the Circle system certainly stands to be improved, it is not a horrific hell on Earth.
mrsph wrote...
Mage: Derp, i'm gonna resort to blood magic and attack the people helping me.
This isn't just Orsino. It is every single mage when you side with them.
I don't think so, especially considering the results of two of your companion quests in addition to a major event which happens to Hawke in Act 2, all due to the workings of a bloode mage. This game does a good job in showing that there is good and evil on both sides.MPSai wrote...
I think it may have been a little easier to be on the Templar side in Origins, more ambiguity. In DA2 the plot beats you over the head with mage oppression.
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Russalka wrote...
These templars versus mages and chantry vs anything arguments never get anywhere, do they?
I've gotta disagree. As Sebastian tells Anders is one of their conversations, no one is truly free. Hawke was forced to go to Kirkwall. Sebastian was forced to become a member of the Chantry. We're a slave to circumstances. On ther other hand, it's known fact that demons prey on mages and will always do so. It's also a known fact that i was because of Mage workings that the Archdemons even came into existence. I'm not saying Mages should be brutalized and kept locked up, but there certainly exist the need for security. If it were up to me, I'd have everyone simply register whether they are a mage and keep Templars on standby throughout cities, simply being prepared to counter evil mage activity, should it come about, rather than actively hunting down mages who are minding their business.Tirigon wrote...
Freedom >>>> security.Dean_the_Young wrote...
If you fail to prevent something bad but preventable from happening, you've indirectly infringed the rights of the person it happened to. People have a right to security from others as much as any, and more than other, rights. A government which neglects the security of its people from others has no legitimacy: in this case, the mages from the people who would gladly kill them out of fear, and the people from the mages who can at any point gain great, destructive, sociopathic powers.I don´t, and at least when it comes to traffic laws I tend to ignore some of them (speed limits, red lights when I´m on foot, pretty much everything when I´m bicycling.....Like? No. I also don't like paying taxes, obeying traffic laws, and having to submit to passenger screening at the airport. I do see the benefit and reason of all three, however.
You and I already live in surveilance states, and we already live in societies where we can be locked away for even victimless crimes. While the Circle system certainly stands to be improved, it is not a horrific hell on Earth.
Surely living in a sh!tty system doesn´t mean I must like it, even less support it in a fantasy game, right?
That being said, you CAN´T being locked away for being born with a special talent. (not yet anyways:unsure:)
Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
I'm not saying Mages should be brutalized and kept locked up, but there certainly exist the need for security. If it were up to me, I'd have everyone simply register whether they are a mage and keep Templars on standby throughout cities, simply being prepared to counter evil mage activity, should it come about, rather than actively hunting down mages who are minding their business.
Rattleface wrote...
All mages should be drowned as babies.
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