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[MColes]

Tirigon wrote...

MColes wrote...

Would you wipe out a country, if it was the only way to save the entire world?

No, I would kill its leaders, not the population.

Naa, not really. In a war they´d win and be top dogs like in Tevinter.

Let´s
face it: The Circle system only works cos the vast majority of mages
(everywhere but in Kirkwall at least^^) thinks like Irving or the
loyalists and either all-out supports the Chantry line or tries to
ensure a bit more freedom for mages but overall supports a supervised
circle as long as it´s not done in a Meredith way.

If, however,
the choice would be "kill them all or be killed", there would no longer
be any infighting, and they would become rulers of the world pretty
quickly.

It's called the Exalted March.  Mages did used to rule, like Tevinter.  These are also the hypocritcal bastards who use slaves.  They're responsible for the Darkspawn, and every single Blight, ever.  They also were overthrown in a giant War, and that was before 80% of the continent believed in the same God and everyone hated mages. 

The "responsible for the darkspawn" is most likely propaganda bullsh!t, and the Tevinter imperium was not actually defeated by the exalted march but by Andraste´s amazing mage powers.

It is told in Origins: Andraste (they call it the Maker, but o well...) first caused a famine to weaken the troops and kill most of them outright, then caused a flood and how much damage THAT can do we unfortunately see in Real Life atm..... and only after all that the Tevinters were beaten.
Because when they killed Andraste they, for whatever reasons, suddenly decided that Andraste was actually quite right and they should just let it happen.......

And about the slaves: Yes that is a real problem, and I don´t say that another mage empire is desirable. It is just, in my opinion, a more likely outcome of a war between mages and templars.

1) Not an option.  I don't mean it's an evil country.  You quite LITERALLY have to wipe out a country, infected with a virus that WILL, 100% wipe out countless lives.  Do you stop it where it stands, or not?


2) It's not propaganda bull****.  This isn't the real world, where faith is simply faith.  In Thedas, these things exist, it's proven*, and spoken of as fact.  Spirits of the Fade know they were created by the Maker, people know Andraste existed(in some form), the Tevinter mages actually did go after the Golden City.

You're forgetting it's not a battle between mages and templar.  It's a battle between mages, and _everyone_ else.

*proven as far as anyone is able to, so far.  In a world with magic, science is unable to explain, the unexplainable.

Modifié par MColes, 18 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Kemor]

MColes wrote...

2) It's not propaganda bull****.  This isn't the real world, where faith is simply faith.  In Thedas, these things exist, it's proven*, and spoken of as fact.  Spirits of the Fade know they were created by the Maker, people know Andraste existed(in some form), the Tevinter mages actually did go after the Golden City.

Wow, quite a leap there. I haven't seen anywhere any "facts" of the Maker and Spirits of the fade "know" as much as any Chantry believer "knows". As for Andraste, the fact that she actually existed does not prove anything either. Could be in effect a powerful mage and that's pretty much it. And finally, the Golden City is in the Fade so it could have been constructed by Spirits, and since mages can go in the Fade, they could go there.

Differences in physical rules does not prove the existence of a "Maker".

That's really the biggest difference with most other fantasy settings really. I mean, in DnD, you can actually encounter gods on an almost daily basis AND you can actually get powers from them.

[zebrakeys]

I support both, templars and mages are both oppressed. They are oppressed by the Chantry.
Each a held by something bigger.
Mages by templers and templars by lyrium.

The true enemy here is the those blasted chantry howlers. Those phonies that twist and bend the words of the Maker and his bride, and oppress us all with fear.
Raise up with me brothers and sisters, so that the Chantry's seat of power is no longer held by power hungry dogs, killing, lying and spitting in the Maker's face to fake His own words.
That's what I would support

[Tirigon]

MColes wrote...

1) Not an option.  I don't mean it's an evil country.  You quite LITERALLY have to wipe out a country, infected with a virus that WILL, 100% wipe out countless lives.  Do you stop it where it stands, or not?

I would, but magic is not a virus or something that requires all mages to be killed. Doesn´t matter here.

2) It's not propaganda bull****.  This isn't the real world, where faith is simply faith.  In Thedas, these things exist, it's proven*, and spoken of as fact.  Spirits of the Fade know they were created by the Maker, people know Andraste existed(in some form), the Tevinter mages actually did go after the Golden City.

Actually the theory that Andraste was just a very powerful mage is strongly suggested in the game, as is the theory that the tale of Tevinter attacking Heaven is either propaganda or an allegorical tale but certainly not true.

You're forgetting it's not a battle between mages and templar.  It's a battle between mages, and _everyone_ else.

Actually, no. It´s all between Templars / Chantry and mages.....

[LobselVith8]

benreeder2431 wrote...

Everyone I know who plays Dragon Age adore the mages. I have not met one templar supporter other than one attempting to get all the achievements, trophies, etc. I'm curious if you guys are actually out there. Personally, I'm a huge mage supporter. I don't even mind blood magic to a degree.

So, are you a full on mage supporter like me, a mage supporter who still thinks order is needed and blood magic is bad, or a templar supporter?

I was an apostate Hawke who supported the mages in the end, and throughout the story. I'd imagine that being raised in a family of apostates probably shaped my Hawke's views on not seeing mages as "cursed" or evil, and there wasn't anything in the storyline that directed me to support the Chantry or the Order of Templars in what they were doing against the mages.

In the story, my apostate Hawke befriended two other apostates: Anders and Merrill, and I agreed with Anders views on mages, and condoned Merrill's actions. Anders had changed dramatically from when he was with the Hero of Ferelden in Awakening, and you could see that there was a heavy burden on him from what he's gone through. When you consider who Karl was, you get a sense for how close this cause is to Anders, and what it means to him.

Merrill, in contrast, was out of her element in a city among humans, but both of them shared (for the most part) the same views on mages. I thought it was admirable that she was putting so much effort into studying an ancient piece of technology that's been forgotten about over the centuries, but it was also a bit tragic once you discovered the price that she knew would likely be paid to uncover its secrets.

My apostate Hawke understood where Anders was coming from, and shared his goals. Hawke respected Merrill's goals, even if he didn't agree with the risks involved, and she became his LI. Despite what he wanted to say, she knew the risks involved and took precautions. When the decision came down to support the mages, Anders and Merrill were at Hawke's side.