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Worst ending since Fallout 3.


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Everwarden

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I wanted to call this thread "Worst. Ending. Ever.", but then I remembered Fallout 3 and the first Fable, so I'd be lying if I said that. Still, the end of Dragon Age 2 is just awful, and it's a real shame that Bioware capped off the game on such a sour note.

The entire third act was awful, and following the great second act only highlighted the problems for me. I had been a mage supporter (to the limited extent that the game allowed me to be) throughout the entire game thusfar, and publically denounced Meredith when given the chance. So what is the next logical step for The Plot Express(TM. Choo-choo) to railroad me to? Running down apostates for Meredith, of course.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I'm force-fed the notion that these mages are bad and that the templars aren't just a bunch of mean poopy-heads when it turns out the apostates are in turn an ebil blood mage, an abomination, and a drunkard (who I let go).

Alright, is that all the mage ebilness you're going to force me to witness to manipulate me, Mr. Plot Express? I mean, I saw my mother die and all, wasn't that enough force-fed emotion prodding? Nope. Of course not. Then The Plot Express choo-choos me over to Orsino, a man I support, and leads me to a secret meeting of anti-Meredith mages and templars.

So what's the natural next stop for The Plot Express railroad? Is it that I can choose to join in on the meeting, unveil it, or ignore it and report back? Is that what I can do, Mr. Plot Express? Of course not. They think (...for SOME reason) that I, the known apostate who hates Meredith, am plotting against them. So instead of merely sounding suspicious and threatening me in dialogue they attack. Brilliant stuff.

Oh, and then it happens again.. and again. And then the mage I rescued in the first act turns on me because she's so super ebil. Thanks for making it clear that mages are dangerous, Mr. Plot Express, I hadn't gathered that the first few times you slapped me in the face with it. I got it now, promise.

Then Anders blows the Chantry up. Easily the best moment of the third act, and enough to redeem that giant stick Anders got lodged up his ass in this sequel. I enjoyed this one, scenic vista on The Plot Express. So at this point I actually got to make a choice on the plot railroad, and I chose to help the mages. Yay mages!

Then the plot railroad leads me to a heartwarming speech where First Enchanter Orsino laments the plight of mages, and wonders why the templars don't just kill the mages as children if mages are going to have such painful lives. It's an extremely well-written, stirring scene, and is one of the only times in the game that had the intended emotional reaction from me, my heart ached at his pai-

Orsino, what the hell are you doing? Blood magic? Fine. I can see that. But why exactly are you hitting me? Did you need a boss fight here so badly that you needed to mangle one of the best moments in the game, Mr. Plot Express? Really? REALLY?

Then you kill Meredith. I found it to be extremely underwhelming, and the attempt to M Night Shyamalan me ("What a twist!") didn't work. No shock and awe, just an eyeroll. At this point you cut to Varric again, learn that all of the Circles in Thedas have since broken free. And then The Plot Express rams into a brick wall at 120mph when the credits start rolling. No custom epilogue? No more information on what happened to Kirkwall? No final scene where you get to shape what happens next like in Origins? Nothing like that? ANSWER ME CREDITS!

I assume this is meant to be a 'cliffhanger'. I see it more as a wrecked choo-choo train because the plot ran out of tracks. A really, really sad way to end a sequel to one of the best RPGs ever made. 

Modifié par Everwarden, 15 mars 2011 - 07:13 .


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Legbiter

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Your tears of nerd rage....delicious!

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thesuperdarkone

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No, Fallout 3's ending was stupid because you had options that didn't involve death but had to because the plot said so.

I enjoyed the ending and can't wait for what will happen next.

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I found it also weird how mage apostate ends up chasing runaway mages for meredith.
Also it was funny how many times Hawke was asking something about blood magic after someone used it and etc etc.

Lacking of custom epilogue was simply put stupid... However the whole setup with Varic and seeker&leliana left me quite intrigued.

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I loved Fallout 3's ending. The epicness leading up to it was also awesome.

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thesuperdarkone wrote...

No, Fallout 3's ending was stupid because you had options that didn't involve death but had to because the plot said so.

I enjoyed the ending and can't wait for what will happen next.


Yeah, I'll agree with this.

I still remember that mutant friend of mine standing next to me. And I'm like "Helloooooooooo, I got a guy who can stand that radiation right here! Send him!"

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Spinez0rd

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More like the worst game since Fallout 3.

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Steingrimur Steingrimsson

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I agree with every point you made, the act seems lazy and rushed. The only logical step for the final act was for the plot to branch, at least into two if not three. Instead you get a final act where you work for both Orsino and Meredith and will have to kill both Orsino and Meredith. No change apart from a few fights vs. mages or templars. You'll still have to deal with all the abominations either way.

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Legbiter wrote...

Your tears of nerd rage....delicious!


My tears of nerd sorrow, more like. I'm sad that the game didn't live up to its enormous potential, not angry.

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Meh still better than homefront...

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Everwarden

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maselphie wrote...

I loved Fallout 3's ending. The epicness leading up to it was also awesome.


This is a Bioware forum, so I'm not going to derail my own thread by giving you a five page essay on how very, very wrong you are.

Objectively, measurably wrong. Your wrongness is a fact, not an opinion (at least regarding the second sentence). If you want me to unload the fiery rage of a thousand nerds and explain why Fallout 3 is an abomination from hell, send a PM.

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Fallout 3 ending was silly especially since I have Mutant standing there. But overall a great game. DA2 ending was better than that. It just felt a little flat.

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omearaee wrote...

Fallout 3 ending was silly especially since I have Mutant standing there. But overall a great game. DA2 ending was better than that. It just felt a little flat.


I loved Fallout 3, it just had a main questline that was so poorly written it would have gotten a fail grade in middle school creative writing. 

Thank the Maker for New Vegas. 

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I liked how it ended, leaving room for thought and maybe future adventures. In the end (or maybe just mine) every side was cornered and desperate. Comrades sided with or turned their back on me. And it also showed that neither side was innocent.

I found this ending much more satisfying then the picture slide-show in Origins.

And yes I also liked the ending in Fallout 3, naughty me.

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Kroitz wrote...

And yes I also liked the ending in Fallout 3, naughty me.


I'll forgive your bad taste. 

Though if you like having questions left unanswered, you should just take any game with a story and stop playing halfway. BAM! You instantly have an 'ending' that leaves lots of ambiguity and questions behind. Genius! Genius, I tell you! 

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Everwarden wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

And yes I also liked the ending in Fallout 3, naughty me.


I'll forgive your bad taste. 

Though if you like having questions left unanswered, you should just take any game with a story and stop playing halfway. BAM! You instantly have an 'ending' that leaves lots of ambiguity and questions behind. Genius! Genius, I tell you! 

Your alot of fun you know? I bet you think Star Wars should only be one movie, and I have yet to see one game that resolves every issue in it. Hell in DA:O Your ass for no reason just wonders off.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 15 mars 2011 - 08:28 .


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maselphie

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Out of curiosity, did you like Inception's ending? (If you've seen it.)

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I am disappointed that the you made in DA2 won't carry over to a new play through (like in Mass effect 1 and 2) at least it seems buggy, because that is what I have tried, and then it almost feel pointless for the endless leveling up, I was level 23 almost 24 when the game ended and I got stuck in the estate with the arrow pointing at the book when nothing is there. I guess I just have to wait until the next dlc..

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Cliff hangers are fine, the problem comes in that you just spent 40 hours with this group to watch the last scene of them waltzing away from a group of Templars.

No last convo scene, no text epilogue, not even an in game cinematic of anything. When she leaves Varric and it cuts out to them in the streets all conspiring and what not, I kept chanting "this better not be the end..."

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Fallout 3 had a very poetic ending, I loved it. I also liked DA 2's ending though, so I must be an idiot.

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maselphie wrote...

Out of curiosity, did you like Inception's ending? (If you've seen it.)


I have, and I liked it. That isn't the same thing at all. You still have one major question, and it doesn't answer because that one question was kinda the point of the movie. It felt self contained, not like a set-up movie. Dragon Age 2 feels like the entire game is there to set up Dragon Age 3, not to tell a real, unique story that needs to be told, and the end just feels like a big "To be continued..." rather than an actual end. 

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PTPR wrote...

Fallout 3 had a very poetic ending, I loved it. I also liked DA 2's ending though, so I must be an idiot.

But we're wrong. It's a fact.
Says random internet person #324908654

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maselphie wrote...

PTPR wrote...

Fallout 3 had a very poetic ending, I loved it. I also liked DA 2's ending though, so I must be an idiot.

But we're wrong. It's a fact.
Says random internet person #324908654


Yup! Well, you're not wrong that you like it more, you're just wrong that it's good. It's not. It fails so hard that the impact of the fail almost ripped space and time and broke the universe.

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Everwarden wrote...

maselphie wrote...

Out of curiosity, did you like Inception's ending? (If you've seen it.)


I have, and I liked it. That isn't the same thing at all. You still have one major question, and it doesn't answer because that one question was kinda the point of the movie. It felt self contained, not like a set-up movie. Dragon Age 2 feels like the entire game is there to set up Dragon Age 3, not to tell a real, unique story that needs to be told, and the end just feels like a big "To be continued..." rather than an actual end. 

I agree 100%, and I don't think anyone would disagree there's a huge "to be continue" sign on it.

Does that make it a BAD ending? Or not an ending at all? I personally don't think so.

What I think is a bad ending is the end of the 2nd Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Maybe that's the only vibe you're getting from this game? Introducing a new conflict and then cutting out? I felt the conflict was throughout the entire game, it came to a head, and it was dealt with. The reprucussions will happen in the next game.

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Everwarden wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

And yes I also liked the ending in Fallout 3, naughty me.


I'll forgive your bad taste. 

Though if you like having questions left unanswered, you should just take any game with a story and stop playing halfway. BAM! You instantly have an 'ending' that leaves lots of ambiguity and questions behind. Genius! Genius, I tell you! 


Well, the story was about Hawke´s rise to power and it ended there, for now.

I can read that you are upset and in some cases or stories I fell the same, I just don´t agree with you on this one because after the final sentence from Varric it does fell like "but that´s another story". And I liked it.