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[sgriffin0810]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Did you even read it? It's not about DA:2 in particular, it's about the policies of Bioware/EA.

Don't assume I don't like the game.

Then by your own admittance it has no relevance to the DA2 game and there for shouldn't really in all honesty be posted here imho.

It does have relevance because DA2 is their game.

[Dave of Canada]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Yes, banning forum users and shutting down threads in response to negative feedback is a very pro-consumer approach and does much to restore my faith in Bioware.

Banning users that insult others and make thousands of the same threads, positive or no, is moderators doing their job. Please don't act like if only negativity is being silenced. I, myself as one of the frequen targets of "fanboy" comments, have been warned myself.

Rules apply to everybody.

Since the game designers and publishers appear to be OBLIVIOUS to feedback,

"this game sucks" isn't feedback.
"this game sucks because of X, X, X" is feedback.
"this game sucks because of X, X, X and here's how I'd fix it." is better feedback.

let's hope blowing up the forums with negativity will get their attention.

And then you'll be surprised when you're banned and believe you're a victim.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Veracruz]

v_ware wrote...

Veracruz wrote...
 I don't remember so much noise for the bans during DAO. Sorry for the off topic but it's the only thing I can think of whenever I see this topic.

The release of this game is just a giant PR-nightmare: People being banned from a single player game for forum posts, Securom hysteria and allegedly a Bioware employee giving DA2 a perfect score on Metacritic.

What's next?

But getting banned from your games if banned from the forums was already in place for DAO. Didn't no one notice? People didn't care then? No one important was banned maybe?

I don't like the idea of getting banned from my games because I was banned from a forum. That said, I try not to get banned in the forums in the first place.

[Dragoonlordz]

Your justification is streching it too far, the policies of a company are not the policies of a game, if a problem with a company is the issue which appears to be according to you then you take it to EA the one that wronged you. DA2 has no policies, DA2 is a game title developed by a third party (Bioware) and was one that did not ban you.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[ReinaHW]

Rockfist wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...
All we can do is report any problems we encounter and hope that any fixes will appear while hoping against hope that EA will stop ignoring us.
I'm not happy that DA2 was rushed but whining about it isn't going to make a suddenly fully finished developed version appear.

Come on dude, stop being so short-sighted. You act as if someone held you at gunpoint up to the store to make sure you paid for it. EA obviously only cares about money, but if you actually exercise self-control and next time don't buy into the hype and wait maybe the lack of pre-orders will make them reconsider, or lack of overall purchases. You don't just shrug it off and wait for the next dissappointment, you do something about it. If enough people hold back, then maybe EA won't be right up Biowares ass forcing them to release games so often and they will get more time to flesh out the games as they usually would.

It always starts with one person, and i hate people who just give up because they don't care enough about their opinion to voice it. Apart from the drones, they're more like reading your voicemail.

Not short sighted, just very jaded.  I didn't buy into the hype with DA2, I wasn't going to be buying it when I heard about it because I was worried, and rightfully so, that the game would be rushed.
I decided to buy it because there's nothing else of interest.

I'm used to disappointment, so used to it that I've gotten to the point where I've come to accept that complaining about it won't solve anything because no one listens.  If they did then I would be complaining directly to EA's bosses about their business practices and insisting that they examine what they're doing and change before things get worse.
If they listened then the instant I had heard about DA2 and my doubts kicking in I would have voiced loudly.  But I've come to accept after so many years of rushed games, never being heard and watching things get worse for a pastime I enjoy a lot that nothing's going to change because all that matters to a company is making money by any means.  And if that means rushing out a game that isn't ready in order to cater to a silly deadline notion then that's what they'll do, regardless of how we, the costumers, feel about it.

So I just hope that they'll have the common sense to see their mistakes, because complaining about it isn't going to help, no one will listen.  DA2 being rushed out is just a small hint of a large problem in the industry, a problem that those seeking quick wealth refuse to fix.

[Soul Cool]

Someone's mad because they violated the Terms of Service and got punished for it?

What am I missing?

[v_ware]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Banning users that insult others and make thousands of the same threads, positive or no, is moderators doing their job. Please don't act like if only negativity is being silenced. I, myself as one of the frequen targets of "fanboy" comments, have been warned myself.

Rules apply to everybody.

I can't speak for the other banned people but I was banned for a pretty minor offense:
"Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?"

And I don't troll or continuously go around on these forums insulting people. It's despicable and incredibly irritating. If you still doubt: check my profile for the thread's I have created. 

Modifié par v_ware, 15 mars 2011 - 08:26 .

[Dave of Canada]

v_ware wrote...

I can't speak for the other banned people but I was banned for a pretty minor offense:
"Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?"

And was that necessary? Explain to me how that isn't spam / trolling which is an offense.

[v_ware]

Dave of Canada wrote...

v_ware wrote...

I can't speak for the other banned people but I was banned for a pretty minor offense:
"Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?"

And was that necessary? Explain to me how that isn't spam / trolling which is an offense.

I admitted I was wrong in asking that question.

But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

Soul Cool wrote...

Someone's mad because they violated the Terms of Service and got punished for it?

What am I missing?

Same question to you:  Do you think Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game?

Modifié par v_ware, 15 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[Soul Cool]

v_ware wrote...
But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

From what I've understood about Terms of Serivce and the EULA, it seems to be yes. Of course, I'm no lawyer and could be very wrong. I just endeavor to not make the company that owns the product I'm licensing from angry at me.

[Meltemph]

v_ware wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

v_ware wrote...

I can't speak for the other banned people but I was banned for a pretty minor offense:
"Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?"

And was that necessary? Explain to me how that isn't spam / trolling which is an offense.

I admitted I was wrong in asking that question.

But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

Depends, how much have you been modded?  If this was your 1st ofense, I agree they went to far, but you are habitually grating, then I would say they are fine.  I don't agree with the current copy right laws, but as of right now they are what they are, so if you buy somthing and breat the rules of the ToU as much as I disagree with the ability to do that, then they are with-in their rights.

[v_ware]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your justification is streching it too far, the policies of a company are not the policies of a game, if a problem with a company is the issue which appears to be according to you then you take it to EA the one that wronged you. DA2 has no policies, DA2 is a game title developed by a third party (Bioware) and was one that did not ban you.

EA=Bioware.

Look just bellow the box when you reply. What do you see?

[Dave of Canada]

v_ware wrote...

But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

And they revealed it was an accident and fixed the problem immediately after. Unless you're arguing that they should -never- be allowed to be able to ban people from a single player game, which I disagree with because a handful of companies have been using this practice for a while and those communities are usually more civil.

[v_ware]

Meltemph wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

v_ware wrote...

I can't speak for the other banned people but I was banned for a pretty minor offense:
"Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?"

And was that necessary? Explain to me how that isn't spam / trolling which is an offense.

I admitted I was wrong in asking that question.

But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

Depends, how much have you been modded?  If this was your 1st ofense, I agree they went to far, but you are habitually grating, then I would say they are fine.  I don't agree with the current copy right laws, but as of right now they are what they are, so if you buy somthing and breat the rules of the ToU as much as I disagree with the ability to do that, then they are with-in their rights.

It was my first offense.

[Chadthesad]

Yes, Bioware/EA should have the right to ban your single player game, if you violate their terms of service.

However, it depends on that violation within the terms of service, how severe it was. Piracy is a must, but the other stuff is subjective and at the companies discretion. Sometimes you have to adhere by the spirit of the law, instead of the letter. That's just my two cents.

[sgriffin0810]

Chadthesad wrote...

Yes, Bioware/EA should have the right to ban your single player game, if you violate their terms of service.

However, it depends on that violation within the terms of service, how severe it was. Piracy is a must, but the other stuff is subjective and at the companies discretion. Sometimes you have to adhere by the spirit of the law, instead of the letter. That's just my two cents.

Thing is, the spirit of the law (read: real law, not shrinkwrap TOS) would declare this to be absurd and ridiculous, just as it did with Spore and the Sims 2.

[Dragoonlordz]

You have made many threads on this subject in different parts of the fourm now, this for me has now changed it to spam. Like I told you before if you have a problem with EA policies you take it up with EA. Have you made these threads on every game forum EA owns or the company IPs they own? I'm guessing not. Bioware did not ban you, the ban was admitted to be by mistake on the part of user error, your account got unbanned through the proper process of appeal now you are using these forums to seek your vendetta for change. You have been informed of the mistake why happened and told they are looking into fixing it so wont happen again yet your vendetta continues... A company has the right to ban you from accessing their services, in this case the fact the registering of your product was linked to your online account that is why you could not use your game offline (on that account)in which case it only becomes about DLC.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2011 - 08:42 .

[v_ware]

Dave of Canada wrote...

v_ware wrote...

But we're drifting off, this is a discussion about wether or not Bioware/EA has the right to lock you from using a single-player game. So have they according to you?

And they revealed it was an accident and fixed the problem immediately after. Unless you're arguing that they should -never- be allowed to be able to ban people from a single player game, which I disagree with because a handful of companies have been using this practice for a while and those communities are usually more civil.

It's not because some companies have done it makes it allright to do so.That's like saying putting people in concentration camps in North-Korea is right and should also be done in every other country because there is less crime in North-Korea. (Taking it to far 101 with v_ware)

I digress, anyway if you pay for something, you should be allowed to use it. Online behaviour should never have an effect on your ability to play a single-player game where you affect nobody.

[v_ware]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Chadthesad wrote...

Yes, Bioware/EA should have the right to ban your single player game, if you violate their terms of service.

However, it depends on that violation within the terms of service, how severe it was. Piracy is a must, but the other stuff is subjective and at the companies discretion. Sometimes you have to adhere by the spirit of the law, instead of the letter. That's just my two cents.

Thing is, the spirit of the law (read: real law, not shrinkwrap TOS) would declare this to be absurd and ridiculous, just as it did with Spore and the Sims 2.

Exactly, ToS and EULA don't hold up well in a real courtroom.

Did they ever actually win a case about ToS and EULA?

Modifié par v_ware, 15 mars 2011 - 08:40 .

[Rockfist]

ReinaHW wrote...

Not short sighted, just very jaded.  I didn't buy into the hype with DA2, I wasn't going to be buying it when I heard about it because I was worried, and rightfully so, that the game would be rushed.
I decided to buy it because there's nothing else of interest.

There's -always- something of interest, just gotta look in the right places and for the right stuff. Mods are a great way to echance older games.

I'm used to disappointment, so used to it that I've gotten to the point where I've come to accept that complaining about it won't solve anything because no one listens.  If they did then I would be complaining directly to EA's bosses about their business practices and insisting that they examine what they're doing and change before things get worse.
If they listened then the instant I had heard about DA2 and my doubts kicking in I would have voiced loudly.  But I've come to accept after so many years of rushed games, never being heard and watching things get worse for a pastime I enjoy a lot that nothing's going to change because all that matters to a company is making money by any means.  And if that means rushing out a game that isn't ready in order to cater to a silly deadline notion then that's what they'll do, regardless of how we, the costumers, feel about it.

You seem to have a very bad attitude about you. I think you need to give yourself a kick up the arse to liven yourself up again. Yeah, EA will always be EA, like Activision will always be Activision. Just the way those soulless corporations operate, but it doesn't mean you need to get so defeatist about it. I've banned myself from certain publishers due to their bull**** before and i know i will again. Unfortunately Bioware will probably have to make that list, and i don't care that i'm one person, 'cause it matters to me that i dont sell myself short and buy into the hype of these games because EA/Activision are essentially the same, except Activision just makes ****ty rehashs, EA is more like a virus. Or something that lives on others, it's sucking up all these great devs and making them shovel out absolute rubbish and it's what we're seeing here.

Didn't make that go off on a rant, but you should just try to stick by what you feel is right more. If enough people stop buying the games, the DLCs, the preorders, everything, it will get noticed. Maybe not right away, but you can't just shrug it off due to boredom.

So I just hope that they'll have the common sense to see their mistakes, because complaining about it isn't going to help, no one will listen.  DA2 being rushed out is just a small hint of a large problem in the industry, a problem that those seeking quick wealth refuse to fix.

Glad you still have your sense of humour.

[LordPaul256]

This whole forum is going to backfire badly.

People who love BioWare like a mother - an entity incapable of doing anything wrong - are going to perceive this place to be their little safe haven handed down from their mothers so that they can act like jerks to other legitimately paying customers who are upset that they payed $60 (some pre-ordering on good faith) and want to exercise their right complain.

And that's going to further upset legitimate paying customers. Whereas before they could choose to separate the wheat from the chaff and form their own opinions, here they will be pressured to step in line or be harassed without the other side even considering any view but their own. We've already seen it this thread, and I've read it several times in the brief hour I've been on this new forum.

And I've already witnessed legitimate customers bridling from their brief experience here.

As to v_ware... I'm sorry, man. What they did to you was not only unprecedented in video game history, it was completely uncalled for and possibly illegal. (For the last time, a EULA does not trump a countries' laws). As it was to the other people that were banned from playing their game, such as Armatyrs.

I think it's important to keep it in the public spotlight so that something like this never happens again.

[lv12medic]

What is there to fix? The whole problem with this situation is that the EA account is tied into everything. It affects your ability to activate a game, it's the same account for the forums, it's the same account for playing a online MP game from EA. The problem is everything is tied to one account. It's not really fixable unless they decide to throw away the whole centralized EA account system and spread everything out to their own independent systems. And that will 1) cost a lot of money and 2) cause a heck of a lot of problems during any transitional period.

I suppose single player games can get rid of online DRM. Though people complain about wanting consumer rights, but doesn't EA have a right to protect its property through DRM systems regardless of how ineffective and/or annoying it is?

Modifié par lv12medic, 15 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[Chadthesad]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Chadthesad wrote...

Yes, Bioware/EA should have the right to ban your single player game, if you violate their terms of service.

However, it depends on that violation within the terms of service, how severe it was. Piracy is a must, but the other stuff is subjective and at the companies discretion. Sometimes you have to adhere by the spirit of the law, instead of the letter. That's just my two cents.

Thing is, the spirit of the law (read: real law, not shrinkwrap TOS) would declare this to be absurd and ridiculous, just as it did with Spore and the Sims 2.

I can't comment on what occurred with Spore or the Sims 2. I've really no knowledge of those games or the legality of them. My opinion in the case of v_ware, Bioware/EA apologized for the ban and corrected the error. Whatever perceived wrong which may have incurred was rectified so that specific case is moot.

[sgriffin0810]

LordPaul256 wrote...

(For the last time, a EULA does not trump a countries' laws). .

This cannot be overemphasized. EA and Bioware are not above the law.

[LordPaul256]

lv12medic wrote...

I suppose single player games can get rid of online DRM. Though people complain about wanting consumer rights, but doesn't EA have a right to protect its property through DRM systems regardless of how ineffective and/or annoying it is?

Not entirely.  EA was already brought to court over SecuROM and Spore. 

And besides, the right to protect sales through DRM does not extend the right to prevent legitimate paying customers from playing the game for being critical.