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#51
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Dragoonlordz wrote...

You have made many threads on this subject in different parts of the fourm now, this for me has now changed it to spam. Like I told you before if you have a problem with EA policies you take it up with EA. Have you made these threads on every game forum EA owns or the company IPs they own? I'm guessing not. Bioware did not ban you, the ban was admitted to be by mistake on the part of user error, your account got unbanned through the proper process of appeal now you are using these forums to seek your vendetta for change. You have been informed of the mistake why happened and told they are looking into fixing it so wont happen again yet your vendetta continues... A company has the right to ban you from accessing their services, in this case the fact the registering of your product was linked to your online account that is why you could not use your game offline (on that account)in which case it only becomes about DLC.


You know, i've read a few posts of yours before and they all absolutely reek of some false sense of superiority of others. I'm not sure exactly why you think you're so important or why you think you can address people as you do, but you need to get off your high horse before you get knocked off it.

You're either bitter without friends/happiness in your life or you're severely brown nosing for a moderator position on these forums by trying to tell people what they should do as if you are somehow above them. I'm hoping it is the latter, because i'd rather think you're just an ass than the alternative, which is very depressing as reading your posts have always left me feeling quite depressed that people like you exist.

*EDIT* Forgot to add that im pretty sure you have posted 3-4 times now baiting v_ware into an arguement and he's ignored you. You keep coming back for more. Why?

Modifié par Rockfist, 15 mars 2011 - 08:57 .


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Chadthesad wrote...

I can't comment on what occurred with Spore or the Sims 2. I've really no knowledge of those games or the legality of them. My opinion in the case of v_ware, Bioware/EA apologized for the ban and corrected the error. Whatever perceived wrong which may have incurred was rectified so that specific case is moot.


As we all know, apologizing and saying you'll stop doing a crime means that you never did that crime in U.S. courts. 

"I'm sorry I withheld your paycheck because you didn't like the new shoes I bought.  Here.  Here's your paycheck.  Legally, this crime never happened.  Yay!"

:devil:Gah.  This horrible new forum is bringing out the worst in me...

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LordPaul256 wrote...
Not entirely.  EA was already brought to court over SecuROM and Spore.  :police:


The reason that happend is because the specific DRM they were using installed stuff to people's computers without their consent or any warning that it would happen.

And besides, the right to protect sales through DRM does not extend the right to prevent legitimate paying customers from playing the game for being critical. 


Which is why I said the main problem is the centralized account system in this case.  The DRM in DA2 itself isn't the fundemental problem in what happend.

#54
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Rockfist wrote...

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Not short sighted, just very jaded.  I didn't buy into the hype with DA2, I wasn't going to be buying it when I heard about it because I was worried, and rightfully so, that the game would be rushed.
I decided to buy it because there's nothing else of interest.


There's -always- something of interest, just gotta look in the right places and for the right stuff. Mods are a great way to echance older games.

I'm used to disappointment, so used to it that I've gotten to the point where I've come to accept that complaining about it won't solve anything because no one listens.  If they did then I would be complaining directly to EA's bosses about their business practices and insisting that they examine what they're doing and change before things get worse.
If they listened then the instant I had heard about DA2 and my doubts kicking in I would have voiced loudly.  But I've come to accept after so many years of rushed games, never being heard and watching things get worse for a pastime I enjoy a lot that nothing's going to change because all that matters to a company is making money by any means.  And if that means rushing out a game that isn't ready in order to cater to a silly deadline notion then that's what they'll do, regardless of how we, the costumers, feel about it.


You seem to have a very bad attitude about you. I think you need to give yourself a kick up the arse to liven yourself up again. Yeah, EA will always be EA, like Activision will always be Activision. Just the way those soulless corporations operate, but it doesn't mean you need to get so defeatist about it. I've banned myself from certain publishers due to their bull**** before and i know i will again. Unfortunately Bioware will probably have to make that list, and i don't care that i'm one person, 'cause it matters to me that i dont sell myself short and buy into the hype of these games because EA/Activision are essentially the same, except Activision just makes ****ty rehashs, EA is more like a virus. Or something that lives on others, it's sucking up all these great devs and making them shovel out absolute rubbish and it's what we're seeing here.

Didn't make that go off on a rant, but you should just try to stick by what you feel is right more. If enough people stop buying the games, the DLCs, the preorders, everything, it will get noticed. Maybe not right away, but you can't just shrug it off due to boredom.



So I just hope that they'll have the common sense to see their mistakes, because complaining about it isn't going to help, no one will listen.  DA2 being rushed out is just a small hint of a large problem in the industry, a problem that those seeking quick wealth refuse to fix.



Glad you still have your sense of humour. ;)


I'm sick to death of shooters - they're a dime a dozen - have no interest in sports games, though tennis isn't too bad, the majority of games don't have gender choice and I'm sick beyond words of male only leads and no choice.
So there isn't a lot of interest for me, getting DA2 was a case of 'May as well'.  I don't hate the game though, disappointed, but it's still playable so that's good.

I've been gaming since 1984, ever since that video game market crash, and I've watched since then as the industry has dug itself into the rut it's in now due to this whole 'Every game must be rushed out and must be made to compete with Halo/COD' mentality which is ruining new ideas, forcing games to be rushed out too quickly in order to catch a share of the profits and to cater to those who don't care for a game like Dragon Age when all they want is the same old shooter.

I don't like what I'm seeing and it worries me that the industry is fast heading for another crash like the one in the 80s, but it might end up being worse if the practice of rushing games out before they're ready and trying to compete with yearly shooter rehashes doesn't sow down, or stop completely.
I've voiced my feelings on it many times over the past several years and I always get the same response - "Oh shut up and play a shooter like everyone else!"  It makes it hard to voice my concerns when the current way of things have been accepted by those who want everything instantly without any thought on how much it's damaging the industry.

I rarely buy any of EA's games, if Bioware hadn't been bought by them then that would be even more EA games I wouldn't buy, my taste for EA games took a hit back in the late 90s when the Strike series was ended and they went overboard with their FIFA titles, like they still do.

I never buy Rockstar's games because their games are the same tired, male lead only, boring story rubbish they have been for over a decade and I've had my fill of their lack of good ideas.  I don't bother with JRPG's anymore because they're stale, racing games are rare for me and I only go for a handful if they have anything worth my time.
As for shooters, the last one I got was Borderlands, any others I avoid because they offer nothing of interest.
I'm very careful in what I buy now due to so much rubbish that offers nothing new or tends to be so rushed in it's development that it's unplayable.

After years of seeing the industry go downhill like it has then it's not hard to become a defeatist when you know that your concerns will never be heard as long as those who want the same old thing are catered to and making a big profit for those who won't listen.

I could whine and complain till my throat runs raw, but it isn't going to make any difference as long as games like shooter rehashes continue to sell as wlel as they do and continue to cause companies to push games out well before they're ready in order to compete.

Modifié par ReinaHW, 15 mars 2011 - 09:03 .


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Rockfist wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You
have made many threads on this subject in different parts of the fourm
now, this for me has now changed it to spam. Like I told you before if
you have a problem with EA policies you take it up with EA. Have you
made these threads on every game forum EA owns or the company IPs they
own? I'm guessing not. Bioware did not ban you, the ban was admitted to
be by mistake on the part of user error, your account got unbanned
through the proper process of appeal now you are using these forums to
seek your vendetta for change. You have been informed of the mistake why
happened and told they are looking into fixing it so wont happen again
yet your vendetta continues... A company has the right to ban you from
accessing their services, in this case the fact the registering of your
product was linked to your online account that is why you could not use
your game offline (on that account)in which case it only becomes about
DLC.


You know, i've read a few posts of yours before and
they all absolutely reek of some false sense of superiority of others.
I'm not sure exactly why you think you're so important or why you think
you can address people as you do, but you need to get off your high
horse before you get knocked off it.

You're either bitter without
friends/happiness in your life or you're severely brown nosing for a
moderator position on these forums by trying to tell people what they
should do as if you are somehow above them. I'm hoping it is the latter,
because i'd rather think you're just an ass than the alternative, which
is very depressing as reading your posts have always left me feeling
quite depressed that people like you exist.

*EDIT* Forgot to add
that im pretty sure you have posted 3-4 times now baiting v_ware into an
arguement and he's ignored you. You keep coming back for more. Why?


Dragoonlordz is a troll, and a poor one at that. :?

Modifié par sgriffin0810, 15 mars 2011 - 09:04 .


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Rockfist wrote...

*EDIT* Forgot to add that im pretty sure you have posted 3-4 times now baiting v_ware into an arguement and he's ignored you. You keep coming back for more. Why?


Every thread about this case he keeps on going. The fact that his arguments are so weak doesn't help him or her either.

Modifié par v_ware, 15 mars 2011 - 09:09 .


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sgriffin0810 wrote...

Dragoonlordz is a troll, and a poor one at that. :?


I dunno man, i've usually pretty good at spotting a troll. I think this guy is... Well, dont want to go out of my way to get myself banned so i'll shut up.

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Rockfist wrote...

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Dragoonlordz is a troll, and a poor one at that. :?


I dunno man, i've usually pretty good at spotting a troll. I think this guy is... Well, dont want to go out of my way to get myself banned so i'll shut up.


Maybe you're right. Faith in humanity, -1

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Once again, if you aren't going to post constructively, then don't post at all. That means that if the only reason you plan to join a thread is to say 'YOUR OPINION IS DUMB', then that might fall under the category of 'poor decision'.

Warnings handed out.

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ReinaHW wrote...


I never buy Rockstar's games because their games are the same tired, male lead only, boring story rubbish they have been for over a decade and I've had my fill of their lack of good ideas.  I don't bother with JRPG's anymore because they're stale, racing games are rare for me and I only go for a handful if they have anything worth my time.
As for shooters, the last one I got was Borderlands, any others I avoid because they offer nothing of interest.
I'm very careful in what I buy now due to so much rubbish that offers nothing new or tends to be so rushed in it's development that it's unplayable.


Actually I pretty much agree with this. GTA IV really didn't do anything for me. Red Dead Redemption was good...but only cuz it was a Western and I only ended up playing it once.

I played Mass Effect 2 about 10 times.

Seems I was really lacking something...

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LordPaul256 wrote...
Not entirely.  EA was already brought to court over SecuROM and Spore.  :police:


The reason that happend is because the specific DRM they were using installed stuff to people's computers without their consent or any warning that it would happen.

And besides, the right to protect sales through DRM does not extend the right to prevent legitimate paying customers from playing the game for being critical. 


Which is why I said the main problem is the centralized account system in this case.  The DRM in DA2 itself isn't the fundemental problem in what happend.


It's a very fundamental problem. Fundamental in the sense that it's in direct violation of a court order demanding full disclosure.

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I would be playing ME2 more if I could read it's tiny text, still hoping for a fix for that. GTA4 bored me to tears, in every sense of the word. It was beyond boring and Red Dead, although the setting was nice, was just too boring to care about and the lack of choice, since I don't care for 'Generio Male 5000 with added generic', killed the game for me.
I didn't care for finishing the game because I had no connection to the character, no desire for his boring story. Hawke is better than any character Rockstar comes up with, at least Hawke doesn't mess himself when he goes down stairs like Nico Bellic does.

If anything, even as rushed as DA2 is, it's vastly better than anything Rockstar come up with, it's better than any shooter and it's better than any of the 'male only, let's be boring' nonsense that's so common place.
DA2 may not be perfect but it's playable at least and for those who are enjoying it then it's hard to really hate the game once it begins to grow on you. I'm enjoying it, it may not be as good as previous Bioware games but it's still good and clearly more enjoyable than 'Man wants redemption, will kill many'.

I'll always be annoyed that DA2 was rushed out, but I can say this with certainity - It may be a rushed game that is lacking in areas and could have done with more development time, but I am having a blast with it and can't wait to resume later on.

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This is the reason many people aren't registering games. It's completely unacceptable that being banned in forums precludes people from playing their purchased games, and I strongly suspect, illegal. It's happened on more than one occasion, which kind of rules out the "accidentally stopped him playing his game" argument.

And yes, I'm perfectly happy to admit I emailed John Walker about this more recent ban for the guy on his PS3. Whether someone's an idiot and deserves a forum ban should be a totally seperate issue to stopping people playing their games.

Modifié par Clammo, 15 mars 2011 - 09:31 .


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Clammo wrote...

This is the reason many people aren't registering games. It's completely unacceptable that being banned in forums precludes people from playing their purchased games, and I strongly suspect, illegal. It's happened on more than one occasion, which kind of rules out the "accidentally stopped him playing his game" argument.


Funny thing is, how could anyone fear to be banned if he behaves like a mature human being?

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Clammo wrote...

This is the reason many people aren't registering games. It's completely unacceptable that being banned in forums precludes people from playing their purchased games, and I strongly suspect, illegal. It's happened on more than one occasion, which kind of rules out the "accidentally stopped him playing his game" argument.

And yes, I'm perfectly happy to admit I emailed John Walker about this more recent ban for the guy on his PS3. Whether someone's an idiot and deserves a forum ban should be a totally seperate issue to stopping people playing their games.


First part: You can't play DA:2 without an activation with an active account.

Second part: Exactly, and I mailed John too ;)

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Merci357 wrote...

Clammo wrote...

This is the reason many people aren't registering games. It's completely unacceptable that being banned in forums precludes people from playing their purchased games, and I strongly suspect, illegal. It's happened on more than one occasion, which kind of rules out the "accidentally stopped him playing his game" argument.


Funny thing is, how could anyone fear to be banned if he behaves like a mature human being?


It's irrelevant - if he acts like an idiot on the forums warn him, and then, if necessary, ban him from posting. That should never infringe on his legal right to use his purchased games.

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Merci357 wrote...

Clammo wrote...

This is the reason many people aren't registering games. It's completely unacceptable that being banned in forums precludes people from playing their purchased games, and I strongly suspect, illegal. It's happened on more than one occasion, which kind of rules out the "accidentally stopped him playing his game" argument.


Funny thing is, how could anyone fear to be banned if he behaves like a mature human being?


Who fears being put down by Gaddafi as long as they support his regime?  

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Clammo wrote...
It's irrelevant - if he acts like an idiot on the forums warn him, and then, if necessary, ban him from posting. That should never infringe on his legal right to use his purchased games.

It's funny how some people don't care about their rights. Probably till the day their beloved system turns on them. Usually then they are the ones throwing the biggest tantrum.

Seriously though. Do you not care about Bioware/EA being able about locking you out using of your legaly purchased games?

forceofnature34 wrote...
(snip)

Stop it, you're not funny. Go waste your time on something else.

Modifié par v_ware, 15 mars 2011 - 09:40 .


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Lol, I'm pretty sure part of the idea for this superfluous extra forum was to remove that kind of dumb post by forceofnature34. So that worked then.......

Modifié par Clammo, 15 mars 2011 - 09:39 .


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sgriffin0810 wrote...

It's a very fundamental problem. Fundamental in the sense that it's in direct violation of a court order demanding full disclosure.


Everything has been fully disclosed by EA in regards to this situation.  The Terms of Service of this very forum explicitly state:

EA Terms of Use

9. Termination of EA Services, Accounts and Entitlements

EA
may terminate access to any online or mobile products and/or EA
Services at any time by giving you notice of such termination within the
time period specified when you joined the particular EA Service, or if
no time period for notice of termination was specified, then within
thirty (30) days of the date such notice is posted on the applicable
product or EA Service or on http://www.ea.com/2/service-updates.

EA
may also terminate your Account(s) (and access to all related
Entitlements) for violation of this Terms of Service, illegal or
improper use of your Account, or illegal or improper use of EA Services,
Content, Entitlement, products, or EA's Intellectual Property as
determined by EA in its sole discretion.  You may lose your user name
and persona as a result of Account termination.  If you have more than
one (1) Account, EA may terminate all of your Accounts and all related
Entitlements.  In response to a violation of these Terms of Service or
any other agreement applicable to EA Services accessed by you, EA may
issue you a warning, suspend your Account, selectively remove, revoke or
garnish Entitlements associated with your Account or immediately
terminate any and all Accounts that you have established.  You
acknowledge that EA is not required to provide you notice before
suspending or terminating your Account or selectively removing, revoking
or garnishing Entitlements associated with your Account.  If EA
terminates your Account, you may not participate in an EA Service again
without EA's express permission.  EA reserves the right to refuse to
keep Accounts for, and provide EA Services to, any individual.  You may
not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by EA to use
your Account.

If your Account, or a particular subscription for
an EA Service associated with your Account, is terminated, suspended
and/or if any Entitlements are selectively removed, revoked or garnished
from your Account, no refund will be granted, no Entitlements will be
credited to you or converted to cash or other forms of reimbursement,
and you will have no further access to your Account or Entitlements
associated with your Account or the particular EA Service.  If you
believe that any action has been taken against your Account in error,
please contact Customer Support at support.ea.com.


Online game activation through the use of an EA account falls under an EA service.

Modifié par lv12medic, 15 mars 2011 - 09:44 .


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lv12medic wrote...

sgriffin0810 wrote...

It's a very fundamental problem. Fundamental in the sense that it's in direct violation of a court order demanding full disclosure.


Everything has been fully disclosed by EA in regards to this situation.  The Terms of Service of this very forum explicitly state:

EA Terms of Use

9. Termination of EA Services, Accounts and Entitlements

EA
may terminate access to any online or mobile products and/or EA
Services at any time by giving you notice of such termination within the
time period specified when you joined the particular EA Service, or if
no time period for notice of termination was specified, then within
thirty (30) days of the date such notice is posted on the applicable
product or EA Service or on http://www.ea.com/2/service-updates.

EA
may also terminate your Account(s) (and access to all related
Entitlements) for violation of this Terms of Service, illegal or
improper use of your Account, or illegal or improper use of EA Services,
Content, Entitlement, products, or EA's Intellectual Property as
determined by EA in its sole discretion.  You may lose your user name
and persona as a result of Account termination.  If you have more than
one (1) Account, EA may terminate all of your Accounts and all related
Entitlements.  In response to a violation of these Terms of Service or
any other agreement applicable to EA Services accessed by you, EA may
issue you a warning, suspend your Account, selectively remove, revoke or
garnish Entitlements associated with your Account or immediately
terminate any and all Accounts that you have established.  You
acknowledge that EA is not required to provide you notice before
suspending or terminating your Account or selectively removing, revoking
or garnishing Entitlements associated with your Account.  If EA
terminates your Account, you may not participate in an EA Service again
without EA's express permission.  EA reserves the right to refuse to
keep Accounts for, and provide EA Services to, any individual.  You may
not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by EA to use
your Account.

If your Account, or a particular subscription for
an EA Service associated with your Account, is terminated, suspended
and/or if any Entitlements are selectively removed, revoked or garnished
from your Account, no refund will be granted, no Entitlements will be
credited to you or converted to cash or other forms of reimbursement,
and you will have no further access to your Account or Entitlements
associated with your Account or the particular EA Service.  If you
believe that any action has been taken against your Account in error,
please contact Customer Support at support.ea.com.


Online game activation through the use of an EA account falls under an EA service.


Just because someone has "terms of service" does not mean those TOS supercede the law - in this case removing someone's legal right to use a legally purchased product. Seriously, give it up. EA are wholly in the wrong about this, it's not even a grey area.

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This has nothing to do with criticizing the game or Bioware, theres tons of critism on these forums and none of those people are being banned. Arno and the others were trolls plain and simple and when a very real consequence resulted from their trolling they ran crying to the interwebs for simpathy. Well, you won't find any simpathy from me, and infact I hope EA decides that this "error" is actually "working as intended" and start using it as means to punnishing idiots.

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lv12medic wrote...

Online game activation through the use of an EA account falls under an EA service.


Terms of Service does not supersede a countries' law.

Let me see if I can explain this to you... If you download a video game and click through the Terms of Service, but you forgot to check and those Terms of Service say that you have to kill your mother or pay $5,000, you don't not have to legally do anything. That's because it would be illegal under the law. The laws of the land are stronger than any ToS or EULA. Much, much stronger.

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Conduit0 wrote...

This has nothing to do with criticizing the game or Bioware, theres tons of critism on these forums and none of those people are being banned. Arno and the others were trolls plain and simple and when a very real consequence resulted from their trolling they ran crying to the interwebs for simpathy. Well, you won't find any simpathy from me, and infact I hope EA decides that this "error" is actually "working as intended" and start using it as means to punnishing idiots.


So anyone who disagrees with your assessment of the game is either a troll or an idiot, who should lose access to his legally purchased game on account of disagreement?

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You know, i've read a few posts of yours before and they all absolutely reek of some false sense of superiority of others. I'm not sure exactly why you think you're so important or why you think you can address people as you do, but you need to get off your high horse before you get knocked off it.

You're either bitter without friends/happiness in your life or you're severely brown nosing for a moderator position on these forums by trying to tell people what they should do as if you are somehow above them. I'm hoping it is the latter, because i'd rather think you're just an ass than the alternative, which is very depressing as reading your posts have always left me feeling quite depressed that people like you exist.

*EDIT* Forgot to add that im pretty sure you have posted 3-4 times now baiting v_ware into an arguement and he's ignored you. You keep coming back for more. Why?


Opinion noted. But you seem to take offense purely on the fact my view contradicts your own. My view is simple and is this, EA reserves the legal right to block access to their 'online' account services this does not give them the right to stop people playing offline games but what the problem in reality is in this case is their really bad management of their DRM services and structure which was the actual cause of this whole issue. They need to seporate the DRM from online account registering to play services in a way that does not stop people playing a game offline but they should reserve the right to block access to their online account. This if worked correctly would stop the purchasing of DLC and access to online services without stopping people playing offline the things they have already bought.

This issue has been raised and people have been informed they are looking to resolve that issue which caused this. Unfortuantly people don't appear to be happy that they have been told it will be fixed because they want instant change and wish to vent anger occured in the first place. This was already shown and done in the many pervious threads created they let their anger known and the situation is now being resolved so wont happen again. My issue is these threads keep popping up even though the situation is already being looked into which means these threads wont change something that is already being changed in which case they come across as mere venting anger.

John may not like my view he may even block access to my forum account but my view is valid and if look at it logically and not at rage tinted goggles of either your in one camp or the other you would see that. I have no more love for EA (who love $ more than people true) or even Bioware (who have made a game that isn't ideally what I wanted for a 'sequal' to DAO) than you do. But that doesn't change the fact the issue is already being delt with and I question what else you people are actually trying to gain given the result is already mentioned they are looking to stop people from being locked out offline when blocked from online EA account, this is why I used the term vendetta imho nothing more nothing less. Posted Image

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