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[Solid N7]

v_ware wrote...

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John Walker who has been covering the story of people getting being banned from there game extensively and now he has published another interesting article. If you aren't up to date with this case check out these 2 articles.

"EA Forum Bans Can Lock You Out Of Games"
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-forum-bans-can-lock-you-out-of-games/

"EA Retracts Game Ban For Forum Violation"
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-retracts-game-ban-for-forum-violation/


Here are some quotes from this article called:
"Biowhere? EA working on fixing game bans."
http://www.rockpaper...xing-game-bans/

So what is the latest word on EA and BioWare banning users from games? You may remember that on Friday, the now-famous Arno found he was unable to acces his copy of Dragon Age  ]because he made a rude-ish comment on the BioWare forums. .... Later that day Arno recieved a personal mail [/color]from the Senior Director of Customer Services himself, Boyd Beasley, explaining that this had been an error, with accompanying profuse apologies. Since we wrote the story we’ve heard about the same happening to other gamers, as long ago as a year back, and indeed it happened again to someone else over the weekend. Asking EA about this, they’ve given us a statement explaining that this continues to be a fault, and they’re working on fixing it by the end of the week.

But as John, me and many other gamers we were left with some questions. Take it away John!

EA certainly seem to be suggesting that their software’s error is causing account bans to be too overreaching, and that single player gamers shouldn’t be affected. Which would be fair enough. But when their ToS says that account bans can include the permanent deletion of accounts, with no reimbursement for the value of the games lost, where are the lines drawn?

For the entire article and more go to Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

PLUS: Be sure to check his analysis of the first 8 hours in DA2. It touches some major points.http://www.rockpaper...-dragon-age-ii/

I think you deserved that ban for being a smartass and now you are crying like little girl you disgust me:sick:

[Jamesnew2]

v_ware wrote...

Veracruz wrote...
 I don't remember so much noise for the bans during DAO. Sorry for the off topic but it's the only thing I can think of whenever I see this topic.

The release of this game is just a giant PR-nightmare: People being banned from a single player game for forum posts, Securom hysteria and allegedly a Bioware employee giving DA2 a perfect score on Metacritic.

What's next?

Give us proof and sure ill belive you... until then i dont believe anything. Its possible. If it is true then i dont care... cuz it wouldnt just be bioware.. Activision, Obsidian, Dice, everyone would be doing it. And as for the bioware employee... even if it is true.... wouldnt you care about a game you work on and took pride in... If you dont take pride in your work then it wont be as near as good.

[v_ware]

moilami wrote...
Do they? If so, then absolutely.

Thanks of the info, I wont activate my WoW account now.

This is actually cool how companies help me to chose what games to play and buy.

Edit: And there is no way I would buy SC II now, unless I would get it for 5€ or something.

The state of the gaming industry is just horrible. We pay money and get "services," like online activation for a sinle player game, who are cancelled at the companies whim.

Modifié par v_ware, 16 mars 2011 - 05:36 .

[v_ware]

Jamesnew2 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Veracruz wrote...
 I don't remember so much noise for the bans during DAO. Sorry for the off topic but it's the only thing I can think of whenever I see this topic.

The release of this game is just a giant PR-nightmare: People being banned from a single player game for forum posts, Securom hysteria and allegedly a Bioware employee giving DA2 a perfect score on Metacritic.

What's next?

Give us proof and sure ill belive you... until then i dont believe anything. Its possible. If it is true then i dont care... cuz it wouldnt just be bioware.. Activision, Obsidian, Dice, everyone would be doing it. And as for the bioware employee... even if it is true.... wouldnt you care about a game you work on and took pride in... If you dont take pride in your work then it wont be as near as good.

First: The banning of gamers is reality. I never said the other two things were reality. Hence the use of the words hysteria and alledgedly. But what they are is a PR-nightmare.

[Taura-Tierno]

I find it odd that the ToS says that they can revoke any kind of access ... since you've bought the game. If they can prevent you from playing the game, it feels more like renting a game for enternity - unless you misbehave, in which case you have to return it.

[LordPaul256]

Well, this thread is worthless. It's like trying to explain math to a cat.

Or the law to avid video game players.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I accept damnation in return for my rewards in my service.

[Mister Swamp]

Just because it's in their terms of service doesn't mean it's ethical, sorry

[Myounage]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Kenthen wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Myounage wrote...

EDIT: By the way, if EA disables your EA account and locks you out of a single player game that you paid money for, you can immediately sue them and almost certaintly win.

You know the terms you agreed to? That would shut you down before you even become a bother.

Those aren't legally binding. The law of first sale supercedes them. The TOS matters **** all. Taking away access and right of resale to a single player game is illegal. The same goes for music CDs and movie DVDs / Blu-Ray.

In other words, EA's toss is a bunch of hot air. They can legally ban you from multiplayer, but the law draws the line at single player and right of resale.

Has that been tested in a court though? It's one thing if it has actually been tested, it's another to interpret it without any actual precedent.
Mind you, I'm asking because I'm actually curious about it.

Although there is some contradiction in the courts on this issue, there is precedent for throwing out EULAs because of the "right of first sale" doctrine, which would definitely apply in this case.

Bauer & Cie. v. O'Donnell  held that calling a sale a license or binding it to an alleged EULA does not necessarily make it so.

Bobbs Merrill Co v. Straus held that a right to sell a product does not preclude a consumer's right to resell it. By banning a person from the single-player game, they are effectively barring the consumer from resale, which is very much against the law.

Softman v. Adobe held that the consumer could disregard the shrinkwrap EULA entirely because it unlawfully infringed on his rights as a consumer.

More to come when I have some free time.

Did you receive a warning email from EA Games for that post? Because I got one over one of mine that demanded I respect the TOS.

[HawXV2]

Mister Swamp wrote...

Just because it's in their terms of service doesn't mean it's ethical, sorry

What part do you find unethical? Exactly. 

[_LordKain_]

And v_ware is STILL at it?!

Dude, your 15 seconds are over and done. Give it up.

BTW: Continuing to spam this same topic over and over is against forum rules. You wouldn't want to get a ban for spamming now would you?

[NKKKK]

_LordKain_ wrote...

And v_ware is STILL at it?!

Dude, your 15 seconds are over and done. Give it up.

BTW: Continuing to spam this same topic over and over is against forum rules. You wouldn't want to get a ban for spamming now would you?

A forum ban or a game ban?

[_LordKain_]

Forums of course. We wouldn't want him/her/it to get banned from playing....again. That's probably what they want.

[cipher86]

They really shouldn't have ANY way to ban us from a single-player game. If it was online I would understand in certain circumstances, but Dragon Age and Mass Effect? What harm is the forum offender going to do by logging in to their single-player game?

[Elite Midget]

That was actually quite humourous...

[Ay01]

I didn't read everything in this one cause after reading the first page I had an idea of what was going on. First let me say thanks to Bio-Ware for a fun game, I was shocked by DA:O and didn't expect a good follow up(because of the rush to get it out, luckily it's even better IMO). That said until the day that we as a community of players and interested parties can start funding these awesome titles they release stop with the crying. They worked hard to come up with a good game, while meeting this ridiculous deadline. Hopefully they can fix the bugs so we can enjoy they game even more. Just wanted to add my 2 cents...but maybe I should have spent it somewhere else...whatever happened to penny candy's?    Oh yeah and blame EA... love you EA for sports though

Modifié par Ay01, 17 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[v_ware]

Myounage wrote...

sgriffin0810 wrote...

Although there is some contradiction in the courts on this issue, there is precedent for throwing out EULAs because of the "right of first sale" doctrine, which would definitely apply in this case.

Bauer & Cie. v. O'Donnell  held that calling a sale a license or binding it to an alleged EULA does not necessarily make it so.

Bobbs Merrill Co v. Straus held that a right to sell a product does not preclude a consumer's right to resell it. By banning a person from the single-player game, they are effectively barring the consumer from resale, which is very much against the law.

Softman v. Adobe held that the consumer could disregard the shrinkwrap EULA entirely because it unlawfully infringed on his rights as a consumer.

More to come when I have some free time.

Did you receive a warning email from EA Games for that post? Because I got one over one of mine that demanded I respect the TOS.

I only respect parts of the ToS. The parts that respect gamers rights AND the companies rights. The way it should be.

_LordKain_ wrote...

And v_ware is STILL at it?!
Dude, your 15 seconds are over and done. Give it up.
BTW: Continuing to spam this same topic over and over is against forum rules. You wouldn't want to get a ban for spamming now would you?

John Epler posted in this thread twice, if he thought it was spam he would have allready said so and locked it.

Modifié par v_ware, 17 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[MOB_RULES_]

I'm glad that someone is try to make people aware. and I offer thanks.

[moilami]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Forums of course. We wouldn't want him/her/it to get banned from playing....again. That's probably what they want.

They can as well get game ban. It is completely on EA's hands what kind of ban they give and what DLCs they remove of his account. Yes, they can selectively remove DLCs.

[MOB_RULES_]

Old post.

Modifié par MOB_RULES , 19 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[MOB_RULES_]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6642373

awareness is a good thing.

[v_ware]

MOB_RULES wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6642373

awareness is a good thing.

Unbelievable they pulled this again.

Guess this answered our question. They are NOT fixing things. Or not fast enough anyway.

[MOB_RULES_]

www.youtube.com/watch

Someone who gets it.