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[Godak]

So...a guy who works for BioWare likes BioWare games?

...And people are surprised by this?

*sigh*

[Lugwy]

User reviews.

Take with a grain of salt for best results.

[Noilly Prat]

"A consumer requires objective information in order to make an informed decision about purchasing a product."

I suppose dozens and dozens of incoherently worded user reviews with zero scores posted by anonymous people on the internet days or weeks before the game was released constitute "objective information"?

Look, I'm all for ethics in journalism, but I think all bets are pretty much off when it comes to user reviews on sites that are open to submissions from the general public.

[snfonseka]

This is pathetic, but I rather see it as a work of individual rather than a work done by BW. But still it is pathetic and shameful.

[Zavox]

Mr. Siegal wrote...

If anything, they should apologize and distance themselves from the incident. Defending it will make the outrage even worse.

Apologize for what? They did nothing wrong. If they do apologize, they reinforce the idea that they are somehow to blame. Which they obviously aren't, for reasons stated in other posts. If anyone should apologize it's the Bioware employee, not Bioware or EA as a whole. Though, in my humble opinion, I do not believe the Bioware employee should apologize, for he might have done something stupid, but not something explicitly 'wrong'.

[FDrage]

*sighs* ... one can't even hide in the off-topic section from "DA2 is the most awesome game ever / DA2 is the worst game ever" posts ...

Modifié par FDrage, 16 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[Moondoggie]

I find it amusing how much fuss people are making over this like Bioware are the first company where it's employees do this ever. I can name several developers who's employees regularly rate up their games.

[fchopin]

If it's just one person trying to change the zero scores I see no problem but it's not very ethical.

[VaeVictus X]

Since when do user reviews matter in the slightest anyway? Currently the Metascores are 80+ for all three versions, so that's not too shabby, even with Metacritic's rediculous 70 average. DA2 is far from the masterpiece it should have been, but it's by no means a bad game.

[Selphares]

Awww, where is the problem propably seveal0 pooint reviews are competition intended as well, and to make it even mor odd why do we not torch these, Aside of the off name logic tehre are still 10 person left with the name name.Just because someone wants to see everywhere a comspiracy does not make it true. Belive me there are way easier and subtile ways to manipulate things like that with a fra greater impact, aside of that no law forbids to have people a 'own' opinion about things. Not to mention that this stuff is done in buisness eevrywhere and as stated before I doubt that all the 0 are all totally only from honest users. Just learn to analze and make an own opinion instead of starting flameing topics on forums.

[B3taMaxxx]

You know, the Netflix independant movie reviews come to mind.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 16 mars 2011 - 08:50 .

[slimgrin]

fchopin wrote...

If it's just one person trying to change the zero scores I see no problem but it's not very ethical.

What's worse is EA tried to justify it. http://www.gamedaily...e-a-perfect-10/

The guy could have just been forthright with a blog post or something, saying who he was and why he thought the game was good. Instead, he had to be sneaky. This is the type of PR Bioware relies on nowadays?....oh yeah, they had lizards delivering copies of DA2 in the UK. Too bad the lizards couldn't review the game.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[KenKenpachi]

slimgrin wrote...
oh yeah, they had lizards delivering copies of DA2 in the UK. Too bad the lizards couldn't review the game.

Your making that **** up right? I mean lizards delivering the game, I mean I know very well they can't review a game, but tying a game to a large type of lizard and using it to bring games to people tied on its back, dispite how insane that sounds is totally something I would do for the amussment, I mean really, I'ld film it laugh at everyone that **** there pants. To hell with PETA or Animals rights groups, I want a Komodo Dragon brining my games, terrozing the people around it.

[slimgrin]

Shine on EA.

[KenKenpachi]

slimgrin wrote...



Shine on EA.

Hahaha now thats Marketing. Its nice to see I'm not the only one who would have done that.

[slimgrin]

^ To see a lizard tied to a cart?

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 mars 2011 - 02:43 .

[Jiggasaurus]

Bit embarrassing for the lad who did this yet you’d be nothing but naive if you think this is a one off. If I worked on a game or project for BioWare I’d be waxing lyrical over it to everyone I know about it (at least those who had even a passing interest in computer gaming), fairly confident most people here would as well, his only problem was getting caught. I’d be slightly more concerned at the chart DinoCrisesFan posted on the other page I’ve disagreed with reviews in the past but never gone on a crusade to find out who’s behind them, a review is after all a personal critical examination of a product, if you don’t agree move on or write your own, no biggie.

[Sleepicub09]

slimgrin wrote...

^ To see a lizard tied to a cart?

why of course 

[DukeOfNukes]

mousestalker wrote...

Actually what stood out is how he was caught. His review was too well written. It was too polished. That speaks volumes about the people who post reviews at metacritic. The lesson to be learned here is if you are going to review your own work, be sure to write the review as much like an illiterate as possible.

QFT. That right there is all you need to know about this news story. "people became suspicious when an intelligent person actually posted on metacritic".

I'm sorry, but I see little wrong with this. It hardly compares to gaming "journals" being paid for their reviews, which is common practice at a lot of gaming sites/magazines.

[Dust_King]

Just thinking, if one of the developers does play their own game do they count as a user? I can't see why not. As for bias I don't think user reviews have ever been free of bias, seriously read them, half the time the reviews are straight out of a flamewar.

[KingDan97]

I've got a question. We "know" he works at Bioware(although it's not hard to lie about who you are on the internet and if a troll honestly felt like kicking up a storm they could easily pull this nonsense) but do we really know he was on the Dev Team for Dragon Age 2? I'm not trying to defend his actions if he would but would we really all be as up in arms if Christina Norman decided to make a positive review, just because she works at Bioware? He is listed as an "Applications Engineer for Information Systems department" does anyone know definitively what the hell that means? It doesn't sound like it's game development, maybe data management but that's not definitively related to the actual design of systems.

Yet again, I'm not trying to say that he isn't at fault or that I'm somehow sure he's not involved, but I think we see one report of some dubious behavior and we just assume he's the super devil. Seems a little ridiculous, especially considering just how useless the user reviews always are on anything marginally hyped. Halo by CoD, and PS3 fanboys. Killzone by CoD and Xbots. Every notable game is trolled and I think that if you truly want to put a truly legitimate review out in the open then you should start a gaming blog and post your own because Metacritic is the internet video game hate machine. It's the whole 1000 good things, one bad thing idea.

[Rockworm503]

FDrage wrote...

*sighs* ... one can't even hide in the off-topic section from "DA2 is the most awesome game ever / DA2 is the worst game ever" posts ...

I know right?  I been too busy playing the game to mess with forums and so the first time I come up for air and its still this whole conspiracy nuts talking about how any good reviews this game gets is obviously bought off by Bioware.
Anyway this whole BS just reinforces my belief that Metacetric is the worst place to get opinions.
Its either a glowing OMG THIS IS THE BESTSETS GAME EVAR!!
or its a big I HATE THIS GAME.

[heronice1]

That Chris guy is hawt!

[Realmzmaster]

The developer has as much right to review his/her game on sites as anyone else. If he/she is a user of the game he/she has a right to an opinion. Now should he/she do it is another question. It is not unethical nor illegal.
User reviews will always contain bias. Very few people are completely objective. Most of us are comparing DA 2 to DA:O, which is logical.
It would be interesting to get the opinion of someone who never played DA:O and see what they think of DA 2. You may or may not get a more honest opinion. Any review should be read with a grain or several grains of salt.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 17 mars 2011 - 05:05 .