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[ink07]

Probably not the worst, but truly not what is expected from them. It was bound to happen, I supposse, when you have to deliver 2 AAA games a yearly basis - instead of taking your time on- quality tends to go down.

The most surprising part is that considering the great reception DA:O got, plus it being Bioware's most successful game ever, you'd think they'd tend to it a little more and try to replicate it's success. You know, play to the audience and it's strenghts.

My guess is that they though they had their previous audience locked down on the sequel and instead went for the "other audience", the one with a shorter attention span and that tends to favour action over other things. With that new focus they missed the mark on both apparently. Also, they somehow managed to make it look worse, which is astounding.

I blame EA but whatever, I still think that Mass Effect 3 is going to be glorious.

[mcsupersport]

OK, put the dunce hat on me because...

I liked it, to me DA2 was a good game, it sure doesn't crash like DA:O does for me, was fun to play, pulled at my heart strings ie finding your mother quest, and the characters were fun. Was it better or worse than DA:O, can't say, it was different using the same framework similar to how ME2 was from ME1, both of which I also liked. Maybe I am shallow, but DA3 or ME3 will be pre-order for me and awaited eagerly for any new DLC as well.


You want bad try Dragon-i(eye) I think it was, totally terrible game that I lasted about 30 minutes playing before uninstalling.

[MPSai]

Well after DA:Awakening (and other DLC) and DA2 I think it's safe to say the Dragon Age team is alot weaker than the Mass Effect team... or they keep getting much less time to work on things than they got while working on Origins. Or both.

[blueruin]

_Dejanus wrote...

Kortok wrote...

_Dejanus wrote...

Do you people know what a bad game is? A 3D Sonic release is bad. Most RTS console ports are bad. Big Rigs was bad. Dragon Age 2 has problems, some of which may be more important to you than they are to me, It may even be your least favorite of Bioware's works. Does any of this make the game objectively bad? No. And If you are seriously arguing that it fails entirely as a game you are either bitter, or blind, or both.

Those games are terrible and DA2 is bad.  There's definately a difference.

I would say DA2 is bad because any game where I have to fight the camera to target spells and have to look at the same environments for 40 hours is bad.

Those are definately flaws, but they are rather small ones taken on the whole of the experience, and your absolute statement does little to support your posistion.

Your statements don't either.  Look in a mirror and gain some self-awareness.

[Shatterkiss]

It isn't really bad. It's a mediocre game that follows a really good game, making it seem much worse than it is.

[Byth]

DA2 isn't bioware's worst game, people are forgetting Jade Empire and that Sonic game. And Jade Empire is probably the worst bioware game I've played, and it's a pretty good game.

[Seitur]

On topic:

I've not played every single one game from BW but played most and this is first really bad BW game imho. Bad game in general as well imho.

Modifié par Seitur, 16 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[Kortok]

_Dejanus wrote...

Kortok wrote...

_Dejanus wrote...

Do you people know what a bad game is? A 3D Sonic release is bad. Most RTS console ports are bad. Big Rigs was bad. Dragon Age 2 has problems, some of which may be more important to you than they are to me, It may even be your least favorite of Bioware's works. Does any of this make the game objectively bad? No. And If you are seriously arguing that it fails entirely as a game you are either bitter, or blind, or both.

Those games are terrible and DA2 is bad.  There's definitely a difference.

I would say DA2 is bad because any game where I have to fight the camera to target spells and have to look at the same environments for 40 hours is bad.

Those are definately flaws, but they are rather small ones taken on the whole of the experience, and your absolute statement does little to support your posistion.

Terrible camera, recycled environments, entire game takes place in/around one city, weak npc race diversity, forced to be human, can't customize npc armor or weapon type, waves of respawning low hp enemies, no friendly fire on hard mode, seemingly endless boring sidequests, weak main story, poorly designed boss fights (mountains of hp with little to no strategy required to beat on hard difficulty).

Does that do enough to support my position that DA2 is a bad game?  I'm not saying it's a terrible game like Big Rigs, but I would certainly classify DA2 as "bad."

[Sithlord715]

Kortok wrote...

_Dejanus wrote...

Kortok wrote...

_Dejanus wrote...

Do you people know what a bad game is? A 3D Sonic release is bad. Most RTS console ports are bad. Big Rigs was bad. Dragon Age 2 has problems, some of which may be more important to you than they are to me, It may even be your least favorite of Bioware's works. Does any of this make the game objectively bad? No. And If you are seriously arguing that it fails entirely as a game you are either bitter, or blind, or both.

Those games are terrible and DA2 is bad.  There's definitely a difference.

I would say DA2 is bad because any game where I have to fight the camera to target spells and have to look at the same environments for 40 hours is bad.

Those are definately flaws, but they are rather small ones taken on the whole of the experience, and your absolute statement does little to support your posistion.

Terrible camera, recycled environments, entire game takes place in/around one city, weak npc race diversity, forced to be human, can't customize npc armor or weapon type, waves of respawning low hp enemies, no friendly fire on hard mode, seemingly endless boring sidequests, weak main story, poorly designed boss fights (mountains of hp with little to no strategy required to beat on hard difficulty).

Does that do enough to support my position that DA2 is a bad game?  I'm not saying it's a terrible game like Big Rigs, but I would certainly classify DA2 as "bad."

You forgot:

Extremely buggy, specilizations are pointless and don't feel impactful (In Origins, you had to find a way to say, become a Templar. You don't just get divine knowledge and are then allowed to put points in it. When you specialized in Origins, you actually felt like you were that specilization), no modding support (ie, no modding tools), randon enemies spawn constantly just for the sake of having combat (Seriously, why does EVERY apostate in this game that you fight have an army of demons supporting them?), terrible item names and icons, no levels of quality in potions and runes (ie, minor, major, etc) and finally, the terrible new look for the Darkspawn

Modifié par Sithlord715, 16 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Kortok wrote...

Did you just say you like DA2 and ME2 better than The Witcher or did I read your post wrong?

I said that DA2 and ME2 were both playable, while The Witcher I found to be unplayable so fundamental wre its flaws.

In your overly simplified terms, yes, I like both DA2 and ME2 more than The Witcher.  I could not tolerate The Witcher's gameplay long enough to see much of its content.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I wouldn't really call it "bad", maybe Bioware's most disapointing?

[Steve236]

The sonic game was bad.

[MCPOWill]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Kortok wrote...

Did you just say you like DA2 and ME2 better than The Witcher or did I read your post wrong?

I said that DA2 and ME2 were both playable, while The Witcher I found to be unplayable so fundamental wre its flaws.

In your overly simplified terms, yes, I like both DA2 and ME2 more than The Witcher.  I could not tolerate The Witcher's gameplay long enough to see much of its content.

Thank God, someone who actually prefers DA2 and ME2 to the Witcher (Not to say the Witcher is bad, I respect it for what it is). I thought I was the only one.

*Angry mob then approaches to beat up the heretic* 

[kozzy420420]

No.....This game is not there best game but its up there with Jade Empire and ME2 imo. They are more action oriented games with faster combat then say Origins, Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights,etc..

I like the hardcore bioware games  more, but the more arcadey streamlined ones like Jade Empire, ME2 and DA2 are still very good, better then most the games out there now.

DA2 is nowhere near a BAD game, its a godo game just nto great .

Modifié par kozzy420420, 16 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

MCPOWill wrote...

I respect that fact Bioware has the ability to at least attempt to improve, fix, and streamline a sequel. Mass 2 felt better than Mass 1 and DA 2 felt better to play that DAO. Yes there are things that I miss but I trust in Bioware's ability to change a game.



.....Unlike a certain demonic order of necromancers who continue beat a dead corpse and try to bring back to life but fail with each subsequent entry...




I am looking at you Activision

THE CULT OF THE DAMNED RESENTS THAT IMPLICATION!

[Vaeliorin]

MCPOWill wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Kortok wrote...
Did you just say you like DA2 and ME2 better than The Witcher or did I read your post wrong?

I said that DA2 and ME2 were both playable, while The Witcher I found to be unplayable so fundamental wre its flaws.

In your overly simplified terms, yes, I like both DA2 and ME2 more than The Witcher.  I could not tolerate The Witcher's gameplay long enough to see much of its content.

Thank God, someone who actually prefers DA2 and ME2 to the Witcher (Not to say the Witcher is bad, I respect it for what it is). I thought I was the only one.

*Angry mob then approaches to beat up the heretic*

You can chalk me up as one more.  I couldn't tolerate The Witcher's combat (it wasn't hard, it was just incredibly tedious and boring) and never managed to finish it.

Anyway, while I have yet to finish DA2 (thank you, ARW, and Amazon for not getting it to me until Saturday...) I would say that, viewed as a game, it's probably the best Bioware game I've played (so far, best story, best locale, 2nd or 3rd in terms of gameplay).  Viewed as an RPG...I'd say it's rubbish.

So...no, I don't think it's Bioware's first truly "bad" game.  Personally, I think that title goes to JE (which, while it had a nice story, had terrible gameplay and no replay value for me.  I simply could not play it a second time.  Admittedly, I wanted to try and replay it recently, and it doesn't play nice with my new computer...locks up every 15-20 minutes, so I might have been able to replay it given some distance, but I guess I'll never know.)

[chzrm3]

Why are you guys putting Jade Empire into the category of "worst"? Look, it wasn't a traditional RPG, which is why you didn't enjoy it - but that's like saying Halo: Reach is the worst game to come out this year because it was a shooter, which is SO far from an RPG.

At some point, you have to look at things objectively. Jade Empire was an action game, yes. It was also a solidly made game with a tremendous amount of polish. If you disagree with the design decisions of the developers, then the most you can say is it's not your type of game. But I see people calling it "abysmal" and "god-awful", and those descriptions are reserved for games that are truly unplayable and unenjoyable. Jade Empire is neither, and it kind of shows how spoiled and self-absorbed you guys are; when a company you love makes a game that isn't tailored exactly to your specific preferences, you pitch a fit and declare it's the worst game ever.

Do you guys ever wonder why Bioware doesn't want to make games for you anymore? Maybe it's because you're just not nice people. : P

[CitizenSnips]

This game isn't Bioware gold standard but it isn't a "bad" game by any means. As far as Bioware games go tho, yea this is definitely on the lower end of the scale. The game itself just seems rushed. Bugs, lazy design, etc. Should have taken another 6 months and really polished this up.

Also I can't understand how anyone can say that ME2 is one of Bioware's worst games.

[danielkx]

Too me, Jade Empire had one of the best stories in gaming, and possibly the greatest twist ever (yes better than kotor). Fantastic story and story telling, excellent side quests (even though there weren't a lot of them) and amazing twist.

Combat/gameplay was tedious and repetitive and is one of the biggest reasons, if not the biggest reason, that prevents me from calling it a great game. But even with that, imo, JE is a far superior game than DA2, and even a superior RPG.

In terms of mainstream games BioWare has created, I would have to say that along with ME2, DA2 is their worst game. But there is still time for BioWare to make another game that is worse than either of those two... ME3 has yet to be released afterall : )

Modifié par danielkx, 16 mars 2011 - 07:07 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

This game isn't Bioware gold standard but it isn't a "bad" game by any means. As far as Bioware games go tho, yea this is definitely on the lower end of the scale. The game itself just seems rushed. Bugs, lazy design, etc. Should have taken another 6 months and really polished this up.

Also I can't understand how anyone can say that ME2 is one of Bioware's worst games.

I find that having no videogames is worst than having unpolished games. with Bioware products, I'm just grateful to play a new game that they develop.

Modifié par Blood-Lord Thanatos, 16 mars 2011 - 07:07 .

[Kortok]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Kortok wrote...

Did you just say you like DA2 and ME2 better than The Witcher or did I read your post wrong?

I said that DA2 and ME2 were both playable, while The Witcher I found to be unplayable so fundamental wre its flaws.

In your overly simplified terms, yes, I like both DA2 and ME2 more than The Witcher.  I could not tolerate The Witcher's gameplay long enough to see much of its content.

wre

I do understand how someone would dislike The Witcher based on the gameplay.  It's unfortunate because the story and characters are superior to ME2 and DA2.  Hopefully the combat in The Witcher 2 is better so more people stick around to enjoy the story.

Modifié par Kortok, 16 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Kalovaril]

not a bad game just rushed:( oh so rushed
Also what makes origins better then da2 for me is the companion interaction and romances..i thought da2 let me down in this deparment because i couldnt talk to them as much as i wanted and not much led up to the romance
my opinion
Rant over

[Eclipse merc]

Agrees with ^

Modifié par Eclipse merc, 16 mars 2011 - 07:24 .

[Sithlord715]

^ Double agree. Seriously, not being able to converse with your allies whenever you want is absolutely moronic. It's as if the developers thought "You know, instead of having to actually remember to speak with their allies, we'll tell them when they can and when they can't!". Not to mention it was always fun in other Bioware games to find exactly the right things to say(or do) in order to have someone fall in love with you. In this one, you just click on the dialogue choice with the little heart icon, and next thing you know, that character is in love with you.

Ugh...Honestly, this game has been made so the stupidest person in the world can play it, while at the same time, severely insulting the intelligence of most RPG players

Modifié par Sithlord715, 16 mars 2011 - 07:33 .