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[Romantiq]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

I wouldn't really call it "bad", maybe Bioware's most disapointing?

Exactly what I would call it too.

[moilami]

cosgamer wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

hmmmm...... PC Gamer rated DA2 higher than BG2 - so, no....you are considerably wrong.

Drogo, why aren't you in the registered forum going on about how DA 2 is the best thing since sliced bread?

Was wondering the same.

The new "registered game owner forum" would indeed be good for this new generation of arcade adventure lovers, and they should get off my lawn and go to the new forum made especially for them.

[moilami]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Kortok wrote...

Did you just say you like DA2 and ME2 better than The Witcher or did I read your post wrong?

I said that DA2 and ME2 were both playable, while The Witcher I found to be unplayable so fundamental wre its flaws.

In your overly simplified terms, yes, I like both DA2 and ME2 more than The Witcher.  I could not tolerate The Witcher's gameplay long enough to see much of its content.

You lose pretty much repu in my eyes after I have played the Withcer, I think.

[FoxholeHunter]

No its not "bad". Alpha Protocol, now thats BAD!!

DA2 reminds me a lot of Jade Empire which I remember getting a pretty similar reaction to this game. However Jade Empire was one of my favourite Bioware games so DA2 is a nice reminder of that game for me.

Some aspects of DA2 I like more than DA, some less, so overall its probably about the same level as Origins.

I think maybe the Mass Effect series was better thought out from the get go, where as Dragon Age changed a lot from one game to the next without much flow between the two unlike ME. It kind of feels like the weren't sure a sequal to DA was going to happen and so didnt really plan the first for it and so 2 feels very different, and we all know how people like change.............

Be interesting to see what DA3 is like after the first two efforts and reaction to 2 especially, but I cant see DA ever topping ME anyway.

[TwistedComplex]

BiowarEA wrote...

3 = ME2

GET OFF MY INTERNET

[kevin cousland]

Sithlord715 wrote...

Well, I suppose it was only a matter of time.

For years, up until the point I played Dragon Age 2, I believed Bioware to be something akin to a God among men; they were truly the only company, in my opinion, which never released a bad game. Every Bioware release was compelling, engrossing, thought provoking, fun, and truly a demonstration of RPG mastery.

However, with DA2, I feel that Bioware has finally released their first "bad" game. Granted, Bioware's worst is still better than most, but when compared to other titles (ESPECIALLY when compared to DA:O), DA2 is a huge, huge dissapointment for many reasons (which I am not going to list here, as there simply far too many of them).

What do you guys think? Is DA2 Bioware's first truly bad game, or has there been another title in the past which you were extremely dissapointed with?

WHAT are you serious id say its a bit of an improvement.
combat is more exciting
dialogue wheel is better BUT buggy
graphics huge improvement
old characters from origins turning up is nice
character is cooler

BUT the only bad thing is there doesnt seem to be as much decision making and they dont have the coercion skill,

[TwistedComplex]

That said, Bioware HAS made bad game, i think every company has, even Blizzard (WotLK)

Non of those game hurt the companies reputation

OP:... Have you ever played Jade Empire? It's magnitudes worse than DA2

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 16 mars 2011 - 09:14 .

[Nightfish103]

NWN wasn't as bad as DA2 and the two addons to NWN1 were actually really good.

I'm flabbergasted to read that anyone thinks Jade Empire is bad. If anything, it's one of the best games with memorable characters and a pretty good story. Sure, the combat takes a bit of getting used to, but once you get the hang of it it's pretty neat.

DA2 is definetly the worst Bioware game I own, even if I gave points for graphics, which I don't. The fact that it looks pretty good is offset by the silly gore and choppy movements in combat.

The fact that there are worse games out there does not make DA2 good. If you ask me what's 5+5 and I say 19 that's not correct just because you can find a dozen people that think the answer is "I LIKE ROCKS!!!".

[TwistedComplex]

Nightfish103 wrote...

NWN wasn't as bad as DA2 and the two addons to NWN1 were actually really good.

I'm flabbergasted to read that anyone thinks Jade Empire is bad. If anything, it's one of the best games with memorable characters and a pretty good story. Sure, the combat takes a bit of getting used to, but once you get the hang of it it's pretty neat.

DA2 is definetly the worst Bioware game I own, even if I gave points for graphics, which I don't. The fact that it looks pretty good is offset by the silly gore and choppy movements in combat.

The fact that there are worse games out there does not make DA2 good. If you ask me what's 5+5 and I say 19 that's not correct just because you can find a dozen people that think the answer is "I LIKE ROCKS!!!".

I'll put it this way

KOTOR, Mass Effect 1+2, Baulders Gate

ALL those games are memorable to me

DA:O, DA2, Jade Empire

NON of those games have had an impact on me. They're just not memorable

DA:Os story is too cookie cutter, DA2 has a different story but it feels like a transition into a bigger story, and Jade Empire is just "what ever"

That's doesn't mean they aren't bad games, but when i think of Bioware i think of KOTOR and Mass Effect, not Jade Empire

[Lukertin]

I haven't bought the game yet, but I watched some live gameplay of the actual game (I remember watching the demo and being like wtf is this) and I don't understand the huge amounts of hate directed at the game. Some of the recent posts on these forums would have left me to believe DA2 game was like the video game/rpg equivalent of the third reich coming to power or something. Seriously? I'm beginning to question whether people have been escaping the local sanitarium and somehow gained access to the internet and a video game store.

I didn't pre-order DA2 bc I was concerned with the direction the game seemed to be taking. After reading reviews of the game it seemed like my decision was validated but now after watching the gameplay it seems like my fears were pretty much unfounded and it doesn't look like I'm going to be the one who gets the last laugh =/

I guess...Haters gonna hate.

[Myrmedus]

DarkPhenomenon wrote...

they were truly the only company, in my opinion, which never released a bad game.

Actually, that would be Blizzard

Possibly, but I'd argue none of their games reach the heights that BioWare games do.

On topic: DA2 isn't as good as DA:O and needed an additional year or so of development to match its predecessor but saying it's a bad game is hilarious.

Firstly, there is way too much quality to be had in this game for it to ever be considered bad. The sheer fact whiners are arguing it's bad just pays credence to how high BW have set the bar on their games.

Secondly, "bad" is a relative term so you need to consider how it fares against truly bad games of which there is no contest.

I do think BW need to take a little step back from putting so much focus into flashy mechanics - even though I did enjoy the DA2 combat considerably - simply because I feel other, arguably more important aspects of their games are suffering a little for it. However, DA2 is never a bad game, it's a damn good game with a flawed yet very powerful plot.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 16 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[Persephone]

No. It's IMO their best as of late. So sue me.

[Myrmedus]

Lukertin wrote...

I haven't bought the game yet, but I watched some live gameplay of the actual game (I remember watching the demo and being like wtf is this) and I don't understand the huge amounts of hate directed at the game. Some of the recent posts on these forums would have left me to believe DA2 game was like the video game/rpg equivalent of the third reich coming to power or something. Seriously? I'm beginning to question whether people have been escaping the local sanitarium and somehow gained access to the internet and a video game store.

I didn't pre-order DA2 bc I was concerned with the direction the game seemed to be taking. After reading reviews of the game it seemed like my decision was validated but now after watching the gameplay it seems like my fears were pretty much unfounded and it doesn't look like I'm going to be the one who gets the last laugh =/

I guess...Haters gonna hate.

Buy it, it's a very good game and has many of the same things as DA:O that made it so good, just don't expect it to be as good as DA:O overall.

[moilami]

Myrmedus wrote...

DarkPhenomenon wrote...

they were truly the only company, in my opinion, which never released a bad game.

Actually, that would be Blizzard

Possibly, but I'd argue none of their games reach the heights that BioWare games do.

On topic: DA2 isn't as good as DA:O and needed an additional year or so of development to match its predecessor but saying it's a bad game is hilarious.

Firstly, there is way too much quality to be had in this game for it to ever be considered bad. The sheer fact whiners are arguing it's bad just pays credence to how high BW have set the bar on their games.

Secondly, "bad" is a relative term so you need to consider how it fares against truly bad games of which there is no contest.

I do think BW need to take a little step back from putting so much focus into flashy mechanics - even though I did enjoy the DA2 combat considerably - simply because I feel other, arguably more important aspects of their games are suffering a little for it. However, DA2 is never a bad game, it's a damn good game with a flawed yet very powerful plot.

It is just bad - but console kiddys being grown up on WoW can't never understand why it is bad - much less why someone does not like it. So they use word "haters". If you have lived your life in a barrel you can't understand why your life in barrel sucks.

DA2 is to RPGer like Big Mac is to Healthy Food Culinarist.


Edit: And Big Mac is to masses like DA2 is to masses - no brainer.

Modifié par moilami, 16 mars 2011 - 01:45 .

[MegaBadExample]

I've only played ME1, ME2 and DAO. For me DA2 missed the mark.

[chzrm3]

moilami wrote...

It is just bad - but console kiddys being grown up on WoW can't never understand why it is bad - much less why someone does not like it. So they use word "haters". If you have lived your life in a barrel you can't understand why your life in barrel sucks.

DA2 is to RPGer like Big Mac is to Healthy Food Culinarist.


Edit: And Big Mac is to masses like DA2 is to masses - no brainer.

You can't say "it is just bad" and expect people who like the game to take your word at face value. If you aren't going to give reasons as to why it's bad, and are instead just going to bash people who like Blizzard games/McDonalds food, you're not really bolstering your own argument at all.

I'll repeat what I've said before - Dragon Age 2 is not a bad game. Maybe it doesn't suit your personal tastes, but it is not bad. When you look at the game objectively, it's got a very robust combat system, a ton of talent/spell options, and character interaction and a story that tops most games.

What you guys are saying is that, for a Bioware game, it doesn't match your standards. And that's fine! If you want to make threads saying "this game doesn't live up to Bioware's record of games", that's all good. But going around saying it's bad is really just ridiculous, and I'm shocked that people like yourselves, who claim to be such hardcore Bioware fans, can actually act like this. : /

[Sylvius the Mad]

moilami wrote...

You lose pretty much repu in my eyes after I have played the Withcer, I think.

That combat mechanic was intolerable.  Click-to-attack isn't something that's ever fun, and adding a timing component made it vastly worse.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

moilami wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

DarkPhenomenon wrote...

they were truly the only company, in my opinion, which never released a bad game.

Actually, that would be Blizzard

Possibly, but I'd argue none of their games reach the heights that BioWare games do.

On topic: DA2 isn't as good as DA:O and needed an additional year or so of development to match its predecessor but saying it's a bad game is hilarious.

Firstly, there is way too much quality to be had in this game for it to ever be considered bad. The sheer fact whiners are arguing it's bad just pays credence to how high BW have set the bar on their games.

Secondly, "bad" is a relative term so you need to consider how it fares against truly bad games of which there is no contest.

I do think BW need to take a little step back from putting so much focus into flashy mechanics - even though I did enjoy the DA2 combat considerably - simply because I feel other, arguably more important aspects of their games are suffering a little for it. However, DA2 is never a bad game, it's a damn good game with a flawed yet very powerful plot.

It is just bad - but console kiddys being grown up on WoW can't never understand why it is bad - much less why someone does not like it. So they use word "haters". If you have lived your life in a barrel you can't understand why your life in barrel sucks.

DA2 is to RPGer like Big Mac is to Healthy Food Culinarist.


Edit: And Big Mac is to masses like DA2 is to masses - no brainer.

HEY! I used to play WoW and  Icewind Dale 2! My fellow Blood-mage, remember that adherents of our philosophy make use of any means to achieve our glorious goals. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

TwistedComplex wrote...

I'll put it this way

KOTOR, Mass Effect 1+2, Baulders Gate

ALL those games are memorable to me

I don't even remember what happened in ME2.

I don't remember it because I didn't care about what was going on even while I was playing the game.

[Bhatair]

Lexagg wrote...

NWN campaign was bad, but it had enormous potential for user-generated content, and that's what made it great.
DA2 isn't bad either. I just can't hate it. I think it's just unfinished.

Nail on the head. It doesn't feel like they gave it 100%, and it shows.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Bhatair wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

NWN campaign was bad, but it had enormous potential for user-generated content, and that's what made it great.
DA2 isn't bad either. I just can't hate it. I think it's just unfinished.

Nail on the head. It doesn't feel like they gave it 100%, and it shows.

NPCs say things to me like "I'm glad to hear about this thing you're doing" when I'm not doing it yet.  I've only just decided to do it, and I haven't told anybody, so there's no way anyone could know.  And yet all the NPCs can apparently read my mind.

That's just sloppy.

[SphereofSilence]

As a gamer who loved Bioware games and great games in general, I strongly believe in taking enough time to make a high quality game. It shouldn't be rushed. Wait let me correct that. It MUST not be rushed if making an excellent game is the goal.

I understand DA2 had a relatively fast development dateline. Perhaps EA wanted that, I don't know. IMO the persons who set the dateline, BW heads, and the project director are all at fault here. Too short a timeframe for development and making a great game are incompatible goals, unless you got a big enough team with a well-oiled and established production pipeline. Such a goal should not be set in the first place, and whoever were to carry out that goal ought to object and ask for a more appropriate dateline.

The doctors of Bioware often states that quality is one of their core tenets. To me, this is warning sign that BW might just be beginning to lose sight on what is most important - quality - in the attempt to drive the DA franchise forward too fast too many.