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Dragonette29

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

Dragonette29 wrote...

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Meredith was under the corruption of the lyrium idol. 


I didn't know it at the time ;)

And yes, there wasn't a good side. They're both grey to variable degrees, degrees that we decide ourselves, based on either our real-life standpoints or the POV of the characters we roleplay.

Would you agree that ourch choice of side says a little about ourselves?


Not necessarily.  My first playthrough, I was pro mage all the way.  When Anders blew up the Chantry, I was shocked and almost executed him.  But I decided to stand with him and see it through to the end.  At this time, I was still thinking siding with the mages was the right thing to do.  I battled the demons, and figured they were pushed over the edge, like they said.  Then I got to Orsino.  Like you say, I didn't know the extent of his culpability.  At this point I was sure I could talk him down.  Then he admitted he knew about Quentin, and used his research to become the Harvestor.  At this point, I'm thinking Fenris sounded like a crazed lunatic throughout the game, but now he was starting to make sense.  Then Meredith goes ballistic with the lyrium idol.

Second playthrough, I played pro-templar.  It was not difficult to side with the templars, the second time through.  Was I conflicted about siding with Meredith?  Definitely.  She's not exactly someone that is easy to side with.  But I took Cullen's stance on it.  When I reached Quentin's foundary hideout and reread the letter from Orsino, it took a whole different insight.


I was actually hoping this would put an end to the argument, but now I see that I need to take some serious action...


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This is a kitten. Whether the kitten is under the influence of a lyrium idol, innocent or, in fact, an insane blood mage is disputable.

Would you kill it?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

I believe Fenris is right when he says magisters will always turn to their most powerful weapon (blood magic) and use whatever excuse is necessary to justify it. He did not have to use blood magic. Orsino could have turned himself in. My Hawke begged him to turn himself in and stop the madness. It could have stopped with him, right there. He escalated it by using the 'nuclear option' - Quentin's research.

Wait, when did Hawke beg him to turn himself in? While Meredith was in the middle of killing every mage in sight? What about the part where Orsino asked Meredith to call off the Rite and offered to give her exactly what she wanted and they were arguing about before Anders blew up the Chantry? He even offered to help and Meredith just said she was going to kill them all. If Orsino had turned himself in, do you know what would have happened? Meredith would have killed him and then kept killing all the mages.


Meredith never had the option to agree to Orsino's terms to call off the Rite.  Orsino wanted the council of the Grand Cleric.  At that moment, Anders blew up the Chantry.

You tell Orsino to stop what he was doing right before he turns into the Harvester.  If Bethany is in the Circle, at this point she turns on Orsino because she no longer believes he is doing the right thing, and rejoins Hawke.

My first playthrough, I expected to be able to talk down Orsino and have him join me against Meredith.  Instead, he pulled out his own crazy card.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 01:12 .


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Dammit, why do we get dumped on with Anders and not a companion like Orsino I'll never know.

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Critical Miss wrote...

Dammit, why do we get dumped on with Anders and not a companion like Orsino I'll never know.


Because most people would prefer a character like Anders and he had a following that he carried over from Awakening despite changing so much<_<

Not that I have anything against him, I just think Orsino is better.

Modifié par Dragonette29, 24 mars 2011 - 01:55 .


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If that kitten was about to make me into a monster constructed out of the body parts of other women, or if that kitten just so happened to like to squish me with statues that came to life because of a toy sword it was weilding...

yes. Yes I'd smoosh that kitten.

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

If that kitten was about to make me into a monster constructed out of the body parts of other women, or if that kitten just so happened to like to squish me with statues that came to life because of a toy sword it was weilding...

yes. Yes I'd smoosh that kitten.


The power of kitten compells you! :lol:

Hey, Orsino's ears are pointed too. I just can't say no to him.

Modifié par Dragonette29, 24 mars 2011 - 02:00 .


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Meredith never had the option to agree to Orsino's terms to call off the Rite. Orsino wanted the council of the Grand Cleric. At that moment, Anders blew up the Chantry.

Actually...yes we do. When Meredith and her templars show up at the Gallows, Orsino asks to talk to her. Meredith claims she's only interested in hearing a surrender. Orsino begs her to call off the Rite. He offers to let her search the room like she wanted and even said he'd help. Meredith called it a commendable offer but to late then told him to gather his forces while she waited for hers to arrive and they you go off with Meredith or Orsino to say your goodbyes to your party.

That was Meredith having the perfect opportunity to call off the Rite and deciding that Anders actions meant that all mages must die anyway.

Dammit, why do we get dumped on with Anders and not a companion like Orsino I'll never know.

Well that's obvious. Meredith wouldn't let him.

If that kitten was about to make me into a monster constructed out of the body parts of other women, or if that kitten just so happened to like to squish me with statues that came to life because of a toy sword it was weilding...

yes. Yes I'd smoosh that kitten.

That's the thing about kittens. You can NEVER TELL until they actually do it.

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I'm not really an Orsino fan--I was just one his side by default, since he was a mage. That said, he has amazing tastes in staves. A three headed dragon? YES PLEASE.

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Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I'm not really an Orsino fan--I was just one his side by default, since he was a mage. That said, he has amazing tastes in staves. A three headed dragon? YES PLEASE.


I'm sure all Orsino's staves are fabulous! 

Hur hur hur :P

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Sarah1281

When Meredith and her templars show up at the Gallows, Orsino asks to talk to her. Meredith claims she's only interested in hearing a surrender. Orsino begs her to call off the Rite. He offers to let her search the room like she wanted and even said he'd help. Meredith called it a commendable offer but to late then told him to gather his forces while she waited for hers to arrive and they you go off with Meredith or Orsino to say your goodbyes to your party.

That was Meredith having the perfect opportunity to call off the Rite and deciding that Anders actions meant that all mages must die anyway.


I like that you mentioned this. As I stated earlier, Meredith was just looking for an excuse to kill all the mages. Orsino, although has a very cool personality and skills(qunari invasion diversion) and he is apparantly a heart throb to the female population-he's NOTa nice guy by any sense of the word either. As we concluded earlier, he is also partly at fault for the whole debacle, but he does try and prevent it by working with Meredith here. Meredith just refuses to listen to anyone by now. She wants to kill them.

Hmm..I just remembered that if you talk to Cullen in Act 3, he admits that after Uldred he swore he'd never question the tenents of the Templar Order again, but he isn't sure that following Meredith is the same thing as following the order anymore. Other people say she is acting against the chantry. And when Orsino tried to consult the Grand Cleric, she threw a hissy fit and was ready to attack Orsino.

I don't think that Anders sparked the revolution. I don't think he forced Meredith's hand. She had plenty of options and choices, she just didn't take the negotiations or even consider the middle ground at all. All Anders did was speed it up and put everyone in a position to choose a side-and kill maybe hundreds of innocent people.

I'm not forgetting Orsino's crimes that spured Meredith's decisions. I'm just looking at the moment before and after the chantry blows up.

As for the kitten. Well I'm allergic to cats so I avoid them for the most part. And if that kitten tried to kill me by magic or giant statues, I'd have no problem killing it in self-defense.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 24 mars 2011 - 04:12 .


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The kitten knows not that what it does is wrong... :(

But seriously, now. I see this debate is far from over. Can we PLEASE conclude it already? Pretty please...?

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Okay. Back on topic. This thread is on Orsino love, so let's get back to it. We can probably debate this in another thread.

So...he knows how to fight Qunari considering the diversion he pulls. Epic scene.

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Thank you :)
Epic scene indeed.

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Hmm...then there's in Fenrial's dream in the fade where we transform into Orsino. I don't know if those are his exact words but how he councils the ability to shape reality is dangerous and asks if Fenrial could trust himself is cool. It may just very well be Hawke saying those words, but hey, whatever.

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Dragonette29 wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I'm not really an Orsino fan--I was just one his side by default, since he was a mage. That said, he has amazing tastes in staves. A three headed dragon? YES PLEASE.


I'm sure all Orsino's staves are fabulous! 

Hur hur hur :P


Ah, the inner-workings of a fan-girl mind...*evil laugh*
I wonder how many staff-related innuenos we've had on this thread already?

Dragonette29 wrote...
The power of kitten compells you! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Hey, Orsino's ears are pointed too. I just can't say no to him.


I have no idea why, but whenever I see the new elven ears, I can't help but imagine them twitching.
You know, like a puppy dog or something?
It led to some interesting imagary throughout my gameplay, let me tell you....

Although Orsino does remind me more of a cat than a dog, admittedly. He's too suave and charming to be a dog, methinks. ^_^

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Nemo66 wrote...

Ah, the inner-workings of a fan-girl mind...*evil laugh*
I wonder how many staff-related innuenos we've had on this thread already?


There's been at least one another, that among others :P

A fangirl's mind is a dreadful labyrinth few are willing to brave...

Nemo66 wrote...

I have no idea why, but whenever I see the new elven ears, I can't help but imagine them twitching.
You know, like a puppy dog or something?
It led to some interesting imagary throughout my gameplay, let me tell you....

Although Orsino does remind me more of a cat than a dog, admittedly. He's too suave and charming to be a dog, methinks. ^_^


Twitching elven ears... I can see what you mean.... Yes, maker, yes. :lol:

and definitely not a dog :) Either a cat, a fox or some kind of weasel, for the exact reasons you gave.

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. . . yeah, I definitely did not mean it *that* way. Fangirls frighten me sometimes.

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Emperor Iaius I wrote...

. . . yeah, I definitely did not mean it *that* way. Fangirls frighten me sometimes.


Well, yes, we are a paticularly frightening species of human beings. Especially in large herds...

And I like the idea of Orsino being like a fox, and it gives yet another meaning to the description of him being a  "Silver fox"
:D
The idea of a wolf did cross my mind, but that seems to fit Fenris far better :wub:
Speaking of which (slightly OT, I know), but because I've been off ill, I found some time to make another DA2 video, this time with dear Fenris in it...

I'm a bit of an elven fan-girl, can you tell?

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Emperor Iaius I wrote...

. . . yeah, I definitely did not mean it *that* way. Fangirls frighten me sometimes.


You didn't have to mean it... I still thought about it :lol:

Nemo66 wrote...

And I like the idea of Orsino being like a fox, and it gives yet another meaning to the description of him being a  "Silver fox"
:D
The idea of a wolf did cross my mind, but that seems to fit Fenris far better :wub:
Speaking of which (slightly OT, I know), but because I've been off ill, I found some time to make another DA2 video, this time with dear Fenris in it...

I'm a bit of an elven fan-girl, can you tell?


Oh yes, Silver Fox suits him perfectly :)
Wolf should definitely be reserved for Fernis. He looks like one when he scowls :P hehehe

I tried not to watch the actual video as I've not romanced him yet, but I love the choice of music :)

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You've not romanced him yet?!
You really need to do that. Like now. Right away.
^^
Heh, in all seriousness though, I'm glad I put up the spoiler part in the title if that is the case :)

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Nemo66 wrote...

You've not romanced him yet?!
You really need to do that. Like now. Right away.
^^
Heh, in all seriousness though, I'm glad I put up the spoiler part in the title if that is the case :)


No, I haven't. I'm waiting for a patch to come out and fix the bugs :)

Anyway, back on the topic... I LURV ORSINO! :D

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So, write a romance for him ;) We would sooo approve it.

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I thought Orsino was cool, but at the end of the day the tension of the final battle was just too much for the poor guy to handle; kaboom-mental-woop-woop-break-down

If only Oghren was a party member -- I’m sure he would of thought of a way to diffuse the tension…

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Kelenthial wrote...

So, write a romance for him ;) We would sooo approve it.


One day, perhaps, I will... How's your writing going? ;)

barrel_LOL wrote...

I thought Orsino was cool, but at the end of the day the tension of the final battle was just too much for the poor guy to handle; kaboom-mental-woop-woop-break-down

If only Oghren was a party member -- I’m sure he would of thought of a way to diffuse the tension…


He would smack him with an axe handle and tie him up in the corner. And I would very much approve :D

Modifié par Dragonette29, 24 mars 2011 - 08:55 .


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he'd find it pretty hard giving the old weapon a spit shine if he's died up >____>