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[The Big Nothing]

I'm getting tired of reading these comments that say, "What a cliff-hanger ending! Hawke and the Warden are gonna tag team!"  No, they aren't. And that was not a cliffhanger. Go watch another episode of Lost.
Both Hawke and the Warden have had a significant impact on Thedas, and they are related in only one way (figuratively). The only reason Cassandra mentions that this is no coincidence is to imply that there is someone orchestrating things: Flemeth. Without her, both Hawke and the Warden would have been long dead.
If anything is implied by the ending, it is that Flemeth will continue to play puppeteer toward an (as of yet) unknown end.

Kisses,

TBN

[Vilegrim]

Not true, unless you are claiming that Flemeth made them both vanish, which is not hinted at.

Doesn't mean they are going to tag team ofc, but implies something big enough to get both their attention, and get them both moving is coming. Doesn't mean they have teamed up, just that they have both decided (indepently) to dust off the ass kicking boots and get moving.

[errant_knight]

It depends on if they want to really ****** everyone off by having their heroes disappear forever--particularly annoying in the case of the warden. Hawke might just be sick of the whole damn thing and bought a nice place in the country.

[The Big Nothing]

Vilegrim wrote...

Not true, unless you are claiming that Flemeth made them both vanish, which is not hinted at.

Doesn't mean they are going to tag team ofc, but implies something big enough to get both their attention, and get them both moving is coming. Doesn't mean they have teamed up, just that they have both decided (indepently) to dust off the ass kicking boots and get moving.

What? They both had the same mysterious revelation independently? Let me guess: "The True Sith Empire is still out there..." I don't think so. They disappear out of convenience, likely. The Warden can be nine-years-dead, so Cassandra must be referring to the catalyst for their actions. "It is no coincidence that these two figures have both been saved by Flemeth and gone on to impact the world in a significant way." 
It is widely known that Flemeth affected the Warden's story as well: "Flemeth. A myth saved the Champion?"

"Do I have to recite the tale of the Warden, too?"

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 15 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[thenemesis77]

Vilegrim wrote...

Not true, unless you are claiming that Flemeth made them both vanish, which is not hinted at.

Doesn't mean they are going to tag team ofc, but implies something big enough to get both their attention, and get them both moving is coming. Doesn't mean they have teamed up, just that they have both decided (indepently) to dust off the ass kicking boots and get moving.

What he said, they both should come back and IMO, they will and have to take on what is to come and it's hell on earth.


As he said, "both will be moving is coming"  What they think is right might not be on the same page and I don't think it will, the battle lines are in the sand and you can see certain moves that both differ from. It's going to be a all out war and both sides will seek them both. It's clear cut to me, they will not be on the same side. It's like a grey area, each one of them will see things in their way and act to make sure what the think should happen will. This makes for one of the best games of all time. I think we will get to pick two stories. The Warden and Hawke and it will make for a great game, where it ends is anyones guess, but this is where it's at.

Modifié par thenemesis77, 16 mars 2011 - 12:24 .

[VettoRyouzou]

This is like saying "I'm sick of people saying the reapers are going to attack Earth in ME3 It's not going to happen!"

[thenemesis77]

Just like the Warden.....gone, they are both alive and kicking and will be in this and I think both are watching and getting ready to make their move, it's a damn classic and they will act when ready.

[TJPags]

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

[thenemesis77]

IMO the end game is not Morrigan Vs. Flemeth. It is The Warden Vs. Hawke and it's not good vs evil, it's what they hold ture and I think that is where this is going.

[thenemesis77]

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

[The Big Nothing]

I will bet a billion internet bucks that we never see Hawke or the Warden again.

[TJPags]

thenemesis77 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

No, not at all.

But the Warden could have died killing the AD.  How can that Warden now be doing anything?  Answer - can't.  BIoware has said repeatedly that there is no canon, and has repatedly said the DR is not canon, and that the OGB is not canon.

So what I am saying is that unless Bioware wants to stand up and announce "yea, ha ha, all you people who did the US are idiots, you're Warden didn't die, you're Warden actually had sex with Morrigan (or had Alistair/Loghaion do it) and created a reincarnated Old God, whether you like it or not" well, they can't bring back the Warden.

Get it now? 

[Aurelet]

I actually think DA3 will have a completely different hero and take place in Orlais

[VettoRyouzou]

TJPags wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

No, not at all.

But the Warden could have died killing the AD.  How can that Warden now be doing anything?  Answer - can't.  BIoware has said repeatedly that there is no canon, and has repatedly said the DR is not canon, and that the OGB is not canon.

So what I am saying is that unless Bioware wants to stand up and announce "yea, ha ha, all you people who did the US are idiots, you're Warden didn't die, you're Warden actually had sex with Morrigan (or had Alistair/Loghaion do it) and created a reincarnated Old God, whether you like it or not" well, they can't bring back the Warden.

Get it now? 

You do realize.. they could just say "they were refering to the Warden commander of amaranthine ((Who could be your warden or a new warden))" if your warden died in DA:O Seeing as your warden can't die in DA:A. And if you didn't play DA:A you just play with a default make of a Warden from amaranthine.

So again point is moot a Warden Hawk team up can happen.

[jfp2004]

I have my doubts that the Warden will ever be the main protagonist of a Dragon Age game again, but thinking of Hawke and the Warden teaming up to kick the ass of everyone in Thedas does fill me with joy.

[Junri]

The Big Nothing wrote...

I will bet a billion internet bucks that we never see Hawke or the Warden again.

I think we'll see Hawke again in an expansion, so I'll call your bet. Unless your bet is both Hawke and the Warden, then I don't :X

[TJPags]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

No, not at all.

But the Warden could have died killing the AD.  How can that Warden now be doing anything?  Answer - can't.  BIoware has said repeatedly that there is no canon, and has repatedly said the DR is not canon, and that the OGB is not canon.

So what I am saying is that unless Bioware wants to stand up and announce "yea, ha ha, all you people who did the US are idiots, you're Warden didn't die, you're Warden actually had sex with Morrigan (or had Alistair/Loghaion do it) and created a reincarnated Old God, whether you like it or not" well, they can't bring back the Warden.

Get it now? 

You do realize.. they could just say "they were refering to the Warden commander of amaranthine ((Who could be your warden or a new warden))" if your warden died in DA:O Seeing as your warden can't die in DA:A. And if you didn't play DA:A you just play with a default make of a Warden from amaranthine.

So again point is moot a Warden Hawk team up can happen.

"A" Warden, sure.  Hell, they could use Velanna, Sigrun, even Ohgren.  But a lot of people  - I think - are referring to their DAO Wardens.  The Hero of Ferelden.  That's what I'm saying can't happen.

Now, if people are intrigued by the idea of Hawke and "Any Random Warden" saving the world, well, that's cool I guess.  But the Hero of Ferelden ain't coming back.

[VettoRyouzou]

TJPags wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

No, not at all.

But the Warden could have died killing the AD.  How can that Warden now be doing anything?  Answer - can't.  BIoware has said repeatedly that there is no canon, and has repatedly said the DR is not canon, and that the OGB is not canon.

So what I am saying is that unless Bioware wants to stand up and announce "yea, ha ha, all you people who did the US are idiots, you're Warden didn't die, you're Warden actually had sex with Morrigan (or had Alistair/Loghaion do it) and created a reincarnated Old God, whether you like it or not" well, they can't bring back the Warden.

Get it now? 

You do realize.. they could just say "they were refering to the Warden commander of amaranthine ((Who could be your warden or a new warden))" if your warden died in DA:O Seeing as your warden can't die in DA:A. And if you didn't play DA:A you just play with a default make of a Warden from amaranthine.

So again point is moot a Warden Hawk team up can happen.

"A" Warden, sure.  Hell, they could use Velanna, Sigrun, even Ohgren.  But a lot of people  - I think - are referring to their DAO Wardens.  The Hero of Ferelden.  That's what I'm saying can't happen.

Now, if people are intrigued by the idea of Hawke and "Any Random Warden" saving the world, well, that's cool I guess.  But the Hero of Ferelden ain't coming back.

I didn't say any random warden I mean Your warden from DA:A the one you made if you didn't imporat a Save.

[TJPags]

You want to explain that one? What Warden did you make in DA2?

[thenemesis77]

TJPags wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I have to say, I'm personally getting tired of all the Hawke + Warden = awesomeness for DA3 thinking.

The Warden could be dead. The Warden could have vanished into an Eluvian. There could be no OGB. The Warden has no voice.

Hawke could have freed the mages. Hawke could have killed all the mages and then become the Vicount of Kirkwall. Hawke got tired of the BS and left.

Unless Bioware wants to do complete 180 on their motto of "there is no canon", then this can't happen. Even if Hawke were to come back, Warden can't.

So the Warden can't come back, cause you say so? Please take it down a notch or two. I know you want to be some new pc in every game but this game is pulling in things closer.

No, not at all.

But the Warden could have died killing the AD.  How can that Warden now be doing anything?  Answer - can't.  BIoware has said repeatedly that there is no canon, and has repatedly said the DR is not canon, and that the OGB is not canon.

So what I am saying is that unless Bioware wants to stand up and announce "yea, ha ha, all you people who did the US are idiots, you're Warden didn't die, you're Warden actually had sex with Morrigan (or had Alistair/Loghaion do it) and created a reincarnated Old God, whether you like it or not" well, they can't bring back the Warden.

Get it now? 

Ok, you must be in the know of all things, sorry but i'am not down witht the"Get it now crowd."

As I have said, this is just IMO and thats all it is. They will do what they feel is best for the story and that I think has been set long before DAO or DA2 was put out. We will just have to wait and see, not trying to make you mad, just giving what I think might  happen, nothing more.

[_000Darkstar]

TJPags wrote...

You want to explain that one? What Warden did you make in DA2?

Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening

Ever heard of it? <_<

[VettoRyouzou]

TJPags wrote...

You want to explain that one? What Warden did you make in DA2?

Oie.. To quote the wiki to the tee.

"The events of Awakening begin six months after the conclusion of Dragon Age: Origins. The player takes on the role of a Grey Warden commander, who is either an imported character from Origins or a new Warden from Orlais. The Orlesian Warden is treated differently because of the history between Orlais and Ferelden—and because an imported Warden will be renowned to begin with, having killed an archdemon almost single-handedly in Origins."

Aka There are Two Wardens in Dragon age 1.

[Rehwyn]

I see two main possible scenarios for DA3.

1) You play both the Champion and the Warden and jump between the two. The seems fairly unlikely, since there are some canon issues that would make consistency difficult. Somehow *both* would also need some valid reason for not starting at OMGPWN strength like ME2... seems unlikely.

2) You play a completely new hero that through the game learns the same info or whatever that led both the Warden and Champion to leave. This almost certainly will deal with Flemeth. I'd venture to guess that late in the game this new hero actually manages to catch up to both of them (the Orlesian Warden could always take the place if the Ferelden died) and in some final confrontation all three heroes and all their allies team up for some massive battle. Think of how much fan appeal having every (living) companion you've gotten to know through three full games present in some massive conclusion would be and tell me it doesn't sound like a distinct possibility...

The theories of "Warden vs Champion" seem silly to me. To be quite frank, both my Warden char and Champion char would likely get along swimmingly and pretty much agree on any moral conflicts. They'd probably butt head a bit if there were disagreements due to both of them having super-duper personal strength of will, but that's not unusual even between close friends.

EDIT: One other note; if there WERE conflicts between the Warden and the Champion, how much you want to bet your third, new hero could reconcile them and lead them? Who could be a bigger badass than the one who leads badasses?

Modifié par Rehwyn, 16 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[TJPags]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

You want to explain that one? What Warden did you make in DA2?

Oie.. To quote the wiki to the tee.

"The events of Awakening begin six months after the conclusion of Dragon Age: Origins. The player takes on the role of a Grey Warden commander, who is either an imported character from Origins or a new Warden from Orlais. The Orlesian Warden is treated differently because of the history between Orlais and Ferelden—and because an imported Warden will be renowned to begin with, having killed an archdemon almost single-handedly in Origins."

Aka There are Two Wardens in Dragon age 1.

Ahhh.  I see,

Having never played an Orlesian Warden, I did not know the entrie backstory.  I kind of thought the Orlesian Warden did NOT kill the AD, since he or she was talking over for the dead one who did.

Guess I got that wrong.

However, that Warden doesn't exist for me.  My Warden did kill the AD.  He also did the DR with Morrigan, and is therefore very much alive.

[TJPags]

_000Darkstar wrote...

TJPags wrote...

You want to explain that one? What Warden did you make in DA2?

Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening

Ever heard of it? <_<

Heard of it.  Neither of those is DA2.

Don't get your point.