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[Pudricks]

Maybe there's an explanation somewhere but I would think that that the Qunari wouldn't accept people into the Qun.
What I got from Sten was that the Qunari believe that everyone has their place. A merchant should always be a merchant, and never aspire to be anything else because that is his place. So why does the Arishok accept converts into the Qun?

[Vilegrim]

People come to the Kun to find there place maybe? It seems to almost be a religion, so accepting converts kinda makes sense.

[Everwarden]

Your 'place' is where the Qunari tell you it is, not where the Bas are presently. 

[Zalocx]

What you are and what you believe are two different things. Everyone has their place IN THE QUN. T
hose outside the Qun don't know their place and aren't really spiritually and philosophically whole. Ergo why the Qunari call foreigners "bas" meaning "thing". If you accept the Qun you find your place and thus start on the path to finding enlightenment.

In DA:O's codex it was mentioned that a significant number of Revaini and Elves in territories taken by the Qunari often convert to the Qun. Its noting new

[Lithuasil]

They do, because they need to replenish their ranks, at least if they're cut of from par vollen for too long.
On the other hand - why would anyone voluntarily convert to the Qun? oO

[Darian Tylmare]

Because in Qunari societies there are no things like beggars, homeless and people living in miserably poor conditions. For all those people, being evaluated to a "job" that promises them food and shelter is way better than keep on living like they did.

[Zenstrive]

Political reasons. The converts flee the oppressions of the templars or racism of the humans. The templars or human authorities mess with the converts, Arishok, Karashoks, and Seerebas mess up with them, and Arishok can find his relic as he pleases.

I think The Qun teaches that you can not attack unless for self defense.

[OmegaBlue0231]

They see the world as in need to be help, they do that by taking over and instilling order through the Qun. By accepting converts they see that as the person wanting to learn their place that they didn't know when not part of the Qun.

[Nyaore]

Lithuasil wrote...

They do, because they need to replenish their ranks, at least if they're cut of from par vollen for too long.
On the other hand - why would anyone voluntarily convert to the Qun? oO

I'd imagine that it appeals to those who lack direction in life, or dislike how they are treated by their parent societies. Case in point, look at how many elves joined the Qunari offensive during the second act of the game. Why would they throw in their lot with what is typically seen as an oppressive force if they did not believe that their lives could be made better as a result? The Qunari do not care about race, where you come from, or even who you were prior to conversion, all they care about is that you accept your designated roll in the Qun and work towards the betterment of their society. I can see why that would be appealing to some oppressed minorities - sans mages of course who typically fair much worse with the Qunari than with any other civilization in Thedas.

[Dean_the_Young]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

Because in Qunari societies there are no things like beggars, homeless and people living in miserably poor conditions. For all those people, being evaluated to a "job" that promises them food and shelter is way better than keep on living like they did.

And respect, both self and social.

The Qun provides for the material and emotional needs of its adherents, at least as far as we've seen. It breaks down many social constructs, but provides others in their place.

[Kemmer]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
The Qun provides for the material and emotional needs of its adherents, at least as far as we've seen. It breaks down many social constructs, but provides others in their place.

This.  For all the good there is in it, I'm curious to see how non-ethnic followers of the Qun are treated by the Qunari.  What if the place of the Viddathari (sp?) is to be lowest on the caste system of the Qun?  It might just be a case of jumping from the frying pan into the fire.  

[AtreiyaN7]

Why wouldn't they? It's their goal to spread the Qun. Anyone willing to convert would be welcomed as seeking enlightenment (that's my impression anyway).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kemmer wrote...
This.  For all the good there is in it, I'm curious to see how non-ethnic followers of the Qun are treated by the Qunari.  What if the place of the Viddathari (sp?) is to be lowest on the caste system of the Qun?  It might just be a case of jumping from the frying pan into the fire.  

This might provide some idea on non-Qunari Qun followers.

• Zevran: I understand that there are elves in the qunari lands, Sten.
• Sten: There are elves everywhere.
• Zevran: Hm. Yes. Well, I've heard that the qunari actually put the elves in charge? Over the humans? Is that true?
• Sten: Some of them.
• Zevran: Only some? Which ones are they?
• Sten: The ones who belong in charge. That is the way of the Qun.
• Zevran: How does this Qun determine who belongs in charge?
• Sten: The tamassrans evaluate everyone and place them where their talents merit.
• Zevran: But elves, in general, merit higher places than humans in qunari society?
• Sten: Some of them.
• Zevran: Back where we began. It's like talking to a water wheel.

I wonder if non-Qunari could ever assume leadership positions over Qunari. If it's as meritocratic as they say it is, in theory that should happen.

[MKDAWUSS]

The Qunari do not waste resources. Few are more valuable than lives.

[Kemmer]

Ah, thanks for the insight, Knight! Zevran was incredibly dense in that conversation. Sten sounded pretty clear to me.

[pingupower]

Misspost sorry,, browser bug

Modifié par pingupower, 16 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[Zenstrive]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

The Qunari do not waste resources. Few are more valuable than lives.

Yeah, they even collect swords of their fallen warriors. They waste dead bodies anyway. I wonder if they do not bury their dead and just leave it as is?

As for the sword, I thought The Sten said that the swords are tuned to their users and can not be used by others?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zenstrive wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

The Qunari do not waste resources. Few are more valuable than lives.

Yeah, they even collect swords of their fallen warriors. They waste dead bodies anyway. I wonder if they do not bury their dead and just leave it as is?

Which would be kind of stupid, because of the smell and disease that would cause.

I think they'd burn them. Burying them would be too much of a waste of time and effort. And a waste of land.
Or they can store them and use them as munition for cannons and catapults, to spread disease. though apparently they have more advanced biological weapons (it's actually pure genius. Selective poison gas that targets specific races).

[Zenstrive]

Zenstrive wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

apparently they have advanced biological weapons (it's actually pure genius. Selective poison gas that targets specific races).

Probably Qunari is a race that comes from other plane and have vastly different biochemistry as we are.

Modifié par Zenstrive, 16 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Maria Caliban]

There is no Qunari race. The Qunari is someone who follows the qun.

The Qunari don't just accept converts, they attempt to conquer lands and convert people to the Qun by force.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Pileyourbodies]

Because the Quanri thinks everyones place is somewhere within the Qun.

[TexasToast712]

Greenleaf6 wrote...

Maybe there's an explanation somewhere but I would think that that the Qunari wouldn't accept people into the Qun.
What I got from Sten was that the Qunari believe that everyone has their place. A merchant should always be a merchant, and never aspire to be anything else because that is his place. So why does the Arishok accept converts into the Qun?

Because Qunari lack the mental capacity to learn how to bake Cookies and Cakes.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 16 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[Foolsfolly]

Qunari means Follower of the Qun. The Qunari belief the Qun is the only true religion and as such war out of conquest and conversion not for greed, wealth, or glory.

The Qunari are the nation that must be and they will order the world against the chaos that is rest of Thedas.

Qunari is not the name of the race that we primarily see in DA2 with the big horns. All races can be Qunari. Zevran even asks Sten about elven Qunari in Origins, he likes the idea of an elf being as important or more so than a human....he'd probably hate everything else about being a Qunari however.

They're an interesting side that I'm so glad we got to meet.

[Foolsfolly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zenstrive wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

The Qunari do not waste resources. Few are more valuable than lives.

Yeah, they even collect swords of their fallen warriors. They waste dead bodies anyway. I wonder if they do not bury their dead and just leave it as is?

Which would be kind of stupid, because of the smell and disease that would cause.

I think they'd burn them. Burying them would be too much of a waste of time and effort. And a waste of land.
Or they can store them and use them as munition for cannons and catapults, to spread disease. though apparently they have more advanced biological weapons (it's actually pure genius. Selective poison gas that targets specific races).

Qunari should have conquered Tevinter by now. They have cannons and dreadnaughts which means what can best them at sea? They have biological weapons. They have the recruitment power of the Qun (which since Tevinter is big on slavery would mean many Tevinter slaves would convert).

Think about it. The Qunari could conquer any nation just by sending out a vanguard of 20 or so men. They go to alienages and recruit an army of impressionable and oppressed elves/humans/dwarfs and then cause a riot and revolution inside the city's walls. While that's happening a qunari force could easily march on through and conquer any city and nation.

And idiot lordlings and arls would allow it! The Qunari are fearsome and strange, if they want to hang around with the filth of the alienages so be it! 

A small group of Qunari at your door would be the Dragon Age equalivant of the Trojan Horse.

I WANT MORE QUNARI IN DA3!

[Darian Tylmare]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Qunari should have conquered Tevinter by now. They have cannons and dreadnaughts which means what can best them at sea? They have biological weapons. They have the recruitment power of the Qun (which since Tevinter is big on slavery would mean many Tevinter slaves would convert).

Think about it. The Qunari could conquer any nation just by sending out a vanguard of 20 or so men. They go to alienages and recruit an army of impressionable and oppressed elves/humans/dwarfs and then cause a riot and revolution inside the city's walls. While that's happening a qunari force could easily march on through and conquer any city and nation.

And idiot lordlings and arls would allow it! The Qunari are fearsome and strange, if they want to hang around with the filth of the alienages so be it! 

A small group of Qunari at your door would be the Dragon Age equalivant of the Trojan Horse.

I WANT MORE QUNARI IN DA3!

I think followers are too straight forward as to resort to such underhanded tactics. Do they even have a branch or job for recruiters and uprisers?