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[Darkshore]

This explains why near end game I felt like Hawke was taking longer to cast spells and they weren't hitting as hard. Made fights go slowly but I had a well rounded team so I widdled them down hehe.

[We Tigers]

BloodyRaw wrote...
10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a free beta tester.

11. Isabella is not in my party right now after I completed the birthright mission. I have no thumbs up bug either after having multiple reloads after saving with her not in the party. You can save AnyWhere at anytime "without" her in the party and not recieve this bug.

Awesome job testing this.  I'm a little confused, though; don't these two items conflict?  #11 seems to read that, as long as she's not in the party, everything is always fine.  If that's the case, I can mitigate any more stat problems by just never using her, right?  I thought the original problem diagnosed was the exact opposite of that--you get dinged anytime you reload without her.

[D.Shepard]

Nimpe wrote...

I 100 percented Isabella in friendship and I'm not slow or weak at all. Must have more variables to this, or a chance.

Ps3 version by the way.

: Me too. I'm playing Xbox 360 version and I didn't notice a reduction to damage and/or speed.

[Tj14]

Sorry, maybe someone asked this before. But looking at the page of this thread is making me confuse. So may I ask this question? Let say both Sebastian and Isabela are MAXed friend but I didn't use them as my companion, will I still get the effect? Or is it only limited when you;re using them?

cuz currently I maxed Isabela but I didn't use her..and I'm a DW Rogue so I can't really notice the difference

[Count Viceroy]

I ran with Isabela from start to finish, at full friendship from act 2 and onwards. Never experienced this.

(pc of course)

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 19 mars 2011 - 08:06 .

[BloodyRaw]

We Tigers wrote...

BloodyRaw wrote...
10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a free beta tester.

11. Isabella is not in my party right now after I completed the birthright mission. I have no thumbs up bug either after having multiple reloads after saving with her not in the party. You can save AnyWhere at anytime "without" her in the party and not recieve this bug.

Awesome job testing this.  I'm a little confused, though; don't these two items conflict?  #11 seems to read that, as long as she's not in the party, everything is always fine.  If that's the case, I can mitigate any more stat problems by just never using her, right?  I thought the original problem diagnosed was the exact opposite of that--you get dinged anytime you reload without her.

 Hey Tiger!

 The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with her "not" in the party until the end of time.

 1. You just recieved Isabella as a friend so you get the thumbs up "passive" while she is in the party. You then go to merrils house and switch isabella out for verric, you then check the ability screen and there is no thumbs up bug. Right after this you proceed to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (isabella is not in the party, she is already hawks buddy) before the dialogue occurs.

  2. After you make you're choice you notice that you have rivalry points that you are not comfortable with, so then you proceed to Reload that save (the save before the dialogue within the mission ) to try a different choice. You check the abilites screen and "thumbs up" will* not* be there. If you never Produce the bug or start the occurance, then you will never recieve it "duh" 

   3.Lets go back to step one and lets just say while you are in merrills house you decide to keep Isabella in your party so you "do not" switch her out. Right after this you proceed AGAIN to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (with isabella in youre party) before the dialogue occurs.

    4. You then proceed to reload that save to make a different choice (the save with isabella in your party within the misson). From this point to the end of the game until bioware decides to patch it, you will recieve the "thumbs up bug" everytime you load a new save with her not in you're party. That means that everytime you reload a save Isabella has to be in you're party to not have the bug occur (this has been discussed already).

   5. Ok ok....Lets just say we are at step 3 we are at the end of step 3. Instead of reloading the save you decided to play out the rest of the mission to the end (wiithout every reloading). You then go to either the docks, hangman, fenris house, anders clinic) to switch her out. You then save  turn off you're system and go eat a sandwich. When you decide to turn back on you're system and reload that save (isabella is not in party) you will not get the bug.

  6. You could have saved a billion times (hmm thats alot)  within that mission, and still not encounter the bug after it. Why? Just as long you finish the mission without RELOADING (remember this) any of the billion saves the bug will not occur....until you decide to load an autosave or save with her in the party at the wounded coast, sundermount, any mission, and piece of land outside of kirkwall, hawks estate or residence, kirkwall at night.

   I don't know what else to say lol, I just hope it is patched. Especially since we now know the reason behind it.


   

[We Tigers]

Got it--there's a condition that sets it up, and you have to either avoid the condition or play by its rules. I don't think I got her thumbs-up until a few hours ago in gameplay, so maybe I can just double back to an older save and avoid it.

[BloodyRaw]

We Tigers wrote...

Got it--there's a condition that sets it up, and you have to either avoid the condition or play by its rules. I don't think I got her thumbs-up until a few hours ago in gameplay, so maybe I can just double back to an older save and avoid it.

  Yeah concering Isabella freedom is thrown out the window sir, play by the rules or get slowed by them . Since you only just recieved her friendship you are in luck. Go back to a save before you befriended her, then after you get her "thumbs up" passive make sure you avoid the "condition". If you decide to save with her in the party however, you can only do so in Kirkwall at day, darktown, hangman, merrill, and fenris's house without starting the "condition". Good luck

[Cyocide]

  The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then
saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the
city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save
then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with
her "not" in the party until the end of time.

So to clarify... (I'm still in Act 1 btw, and Hawke's current house never allows Isabella in it anyway)...

If I befriend her (lets say in the Bar, right after a long mission, before the end of the "episode" that I'm about to save) and then immediately remove her from party, go home, pet my dog and save the game, I won't have the issue?

But then that it will still trigger later anytime I load an Autosave with Isabella in the party? And so long as I never have to load any save (auto or otherwise) with her active in the party, I am fine?

That's rough...

Modifié par Cyocide, 19 mars 2011 - 09:11 .

[BloodyRaw]

Cyocide wrote...

  The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then
saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the
city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save
then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with
her "not" in the party until the end of time.

So to clarify... (I'm still in Act 1 btw, and Hawke's current house never allows Isabella in it anyway)...

If I befriend her (lets say in the Bar, right after a long mission, before the end of the "episode" that I'm about to save) and then immediately remove her from party, go home, pet my dog and save the game, I won't have the issue?

But then that it will still trigger later anytime I load an Autosave with Isabella in the party? And so long as I never have to load any save (auto or otherwise) with her active in the party, I am fine?

That's rough...

 Hey Cyo!

 You will only encounter (start) the bug if you LOAD an autosave with isabella that is in a mission, kirkwall at night, hawkes estate (with isabella prior in the party) and out on the island's outside the city (wounded coast, sundermount, ambushes, etc).

  You can LOAD an autosave or save when she is in the party in kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), merrill house, fenris house, anders clinic. 

  If you never produce the bug, you can save and load anywhere at anytime with her not in the party and not recieve the bug.


For Cyo..

After Act 1 you befriend her in the hangman bar (isabella's ongoing search). Remove her from your party, go home (thumbs up will not be in the abilites screen, she is not in party) and have a romance with her, pet your dog, save the game then reload you will not have the glitch. You did not have Isabella in you're party upon going to hawks estate (thumbs up stays in the abilites screen if you go to the estate while she is in the party).

 If you do the same process above without taking her out of your party when going to the hawkes estate and you save within the estate and reload that save you will recieve the bug. If you saved ten times inside the estate decide not to reload any of those saves you will not recieve the bug. Just don't reload a save with her in the party that triggers the glitch and you will be ok.



   

[Cyocide]

Awesome, thank you sir =)

Great work btw, that must have taken a lot of (no doubt frustrating) testing.

[BloodyRaw]

Cyocide wrote...

Awesome, thank you sir =)

Great work btw, that must have taken a lot of (no doubt frustrating) testing.

  Yes it was annoying testing it, but what is even more annoying is how I have two characters at end game moving in slow motion lol. So I think the 4 or more straight hours I put into the testing was worth it in the end, only if bioware patches it.

   The worst part of this actually are the load times. It takes up to 3-4 minutes to load a save sometimes on the ps3.

   My mage is almost at the deep roads now, with Isabella befriended about 3 hours ago. No problems so im a happy camper, even though im playing a character now that seems like its weaker than my slow-mo 2 handed warrior 

[X-Frame]

So is this PC version only?

Never happened to me on my PS3 version. My Hawke was moving around and attacking at superspeed during the end game.

[X-Frame]

Is this PC only?

[BloodyRaw]

X-Frame wrote...

Is this PC only?

No it is cross platform sir.

[GodLikeDevil]

That is an awesome job testing it. Anyone else confirm BloodyRaw's findings? And will this apply to Sebastian as well?

So by the looks of it, the best way to not have the bug happen in the first place, if Isabella or Sebastian is in your party, you should not save at all or reload an autosave that has them, otherwise from then on the bug might or will apply.

But if you need to save with them in the party, you can only do so in the following instances: Kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), Merrill's house, Fenris' house, Anders' clinic. These are also the times you can load an autosave or save file safely.

If you save in any other instance with them in the party, the bug WILL occur, and then from that point load any saved game without them, you will now experience a cumulative penalty every time you do so.

The problem seems to be tied to how the game loads Hawke's data and stats, because it seems to be related to the glitches involving using the Maker's Sign to Respec, saving before assigning points, and upon reloading having your derived stats reduced due to the bonuses from passive skills being subtracted from the base/unaltered number of the stat.

[BloodyRaw]

GodLikeDevil wrote...

That is an awesome job testing it. Anyone else confirm BloodyRaw's findings? And will this apply to Sebastian as well?

So by the looks of it, the best way to not have the bug happen in the first place, if Isabella or Sebastian is in your party, you should not save at all or reload an autosave that has them, otherwise from then on the bug might or will apply.

But if you need to save with them in the party, you can only do so in the following instances: Kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), Merrill's house, Fenris' house, Anders' clinic. These are also the times you can load an autosave or save file safely.

If you save in any other instance with them in the party, the bug WILL occur, and then from that point load any saved game without them, you will now experience a cumulative penalty every time you do so.

The problem seems to be tied to how the game loads Hawke's data and stats, because it seems to be related to the glitches involving using the Maker's Sign to Respec, saving before assigning points, and upon reloading having your derived stats reduced due to the bonuses from passive skills being subtracted from the base/unaltered number of the stat.

 If I had the same brain power as you I would have saved 30 minutes of typing . Sebastion is lamesauce so I never actually tried to be his friend lol, I might try to this play through though to test his passive as well. Hopefully BW patches this before this though. 

[sonsonthebia07]

Well this certainly sucks. I'm going to be befriending Isabela on this playthrough so I hope it isn't so bad...

Isabela and Sebastian are the only two with passive abilities that effect both Hawke and themselves right?

And also, a funny thing with the Maker's Sigh potion. I respecced recently on my warrior Hawke, and he still has the upgrade to Pommel Strike (I think it's called Pommel Blow...not sure), but I don't even have the skill Pommel Strike.

[GodLikeDevil]

That's how you exploit the Maker's Sign to get a lot of free skill points. It's a glitched glitch though, so be careful.

[LightSmith]

PC version, had Isabela as much as possible and never had any slowness (I don't have the Exiled Prince DLC) Had her at 100% as soon as possible, never had any issue, I was a rogue, so not sure if that mattered.
Never Respeced, maxed out her specialization.

[PPF65]

LightSmith wrote...

PC version, had Isabela as much as possible and never had any slowness (I don't have the Exiled Prince DLC) Had her at 100% as soon as possible, never had any issue, I was a rogue, so not sure if that mattered.
Never Respeced, maxed out her specialization.

These bolded parts.

I do have exiled prince, so thats not the problem.

I was rogue and warrior, both times unlocked her friendship passive, no issues. Respecs myself numerous times (and her as well) and never had any problems.

How does this bug happen to people?

[BloodyRaw]

PPF65 wrote...

LightSmith wrote...

PC version, had Isabela as much as possible and never had any slowness (I don't have the Exiled Prince DLC) Had her at 100% as soon as possible, never had any issue, I was a rogue, so not sure if that mattered.
Never Respeced, maxed out her specialization.

These bolded parts.

I do have exiled prince, so thats not the problem.

I was rogue and warrior, both times unlocked her friendship passive, no issues. Respecs myself numerous times (and her as well) and never had any problems.

How does this bug happen to people?

Lol man, is it that much of a pain to read man ? I'm not trying to be  but the answer to you're question has been posted..

[Blessed Silence]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

That would actually explain a lot. I was sure that by Act 3 my mage Hawke was attacking much more slowly in Act 3 than Act 1 and 2. But then I thought I'd have to be crazy to believe that.

PC version.

I am going to watch out for this as I just got Sebby Friendship status recently (85% I wana say but have his bonus) and I play on the PC.  THanks for bringing this up.

[zeypher]

well for pc players i hope they check my post on page 5, someone on dragonage nexus has made a mod that prevents this from happening

[Count Viceroy]

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http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2299

Temporary work around.