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[Group Theory]

I just finished the game, and I don't see what is so important about the city of Kirkwall.

Kirkwall is one city-state in the Free Marhces, but what makes it so important in the grand scheme of things? They were attacked by the Qunari, but the Qunari were defeated. The Circle rebelled, but the rebellion was put down. Its great and everything that Hawke saved the city from the Qunari, but why does it really matter? I can almost imagine people in Denerim engaging in small talk about this:
"Did yoy hear what happened in Kirkwall?  The Qunari attacked it."
"You don't say, really?"
"Yes, but the attack was thawrted withen a day, and the city is back in control."
"Hm, could you pass the wine?"

The end of the game mentioned how the rebellion in of the circle in Kirkwall inspired other circles to rebel, showing that they could stand up to the Templar. But (if you side with the Templar in Krkwall), you completley wipe out the circle. Is that theire inspiration: "If you rebel, the Templar will invoke the right of annulment and literally every mage will die?" Plus, the templar in Feraldan easily contained the circle of magi when Uldred took control.

The game just didn't relay to me WHY the events in Kirkwall were so importnat. They had all the scenes of Varric talking to the seeker, and the seeker kept saying how importnat the Champion is, etc., but I just don't see why.

[VettoRyouzou]

I don't think it so much Kirkwall is important but what took place, Every fight needs the first hatred, every battle needs the first fight, Every war needs the first battle.

This is where it all started this where the gate of hell opened..

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 16 mars 2011 - 12:22 .

[Clonedzero]

kirkwall itself may not be super important but its more the fact that it set in motion a chain of events that triggered a massive war and change throughout the world is what makes it important.

i mean the entire fact varric is being interrogated so they can find hawke, the person who's largely involved in everything that caused the massive problems should prove how important the entire thing is.

[Icy Magebane]

Some people on this forum were tossing around the idea the Kirkwall is where the Tevinter Imperium first entered the Golden City long ago... it sounded like a solid theory.

[Tleining]

@ Group Theory
a Mage destroyed a Chantry. When the Priest in Orzammar was killed, it was enough that the Chantry as a whole thought about starting an exalting March. It's not so much the location, but the Act itself.
For the Templars, it's proof that Mages are dangerous and need to be controlled much more than before. For the Mages, it's proof of how the Templars are out of control (punishing the Circle for the Act of one Apostate).

[The Minority]

Kirkwall is the start of something even bigger than the Blight.

[TJPags]

Kirkwall is meaningless, except as an apparent breeding ground for insane blood mages.

I think it's something in the water.

Shows what happens when you don't keep a close enough eye on the mages.

I mean, if it was so damn meangiful, why would Hawke have run off?

[Sinophile]

For comparison's sake, Kirkwall is somewhat like Waco, Texas; Birmingham, Alabama; or Pearl Harbor. To me, Kirkwall just felt like a random city, no different than Denerim or Amaranthine. The whole story is full of holes, which to some extent is forgivable considering that it branches. To me,

i mean the entire fact varric is being interrogated so they can find hawke, the person who's largely involved in everything that caused the massive problems should prove how important the entire thing is.

For all we know, the seeker could be a bored noble who kidnaps dwarven bards for entertainment. Kirkwall has a brothel, a tavern,but little else(no playhouses, music halls etc.) so boredom is most likely an epidemic. Although Varric does blatantly state that he can possibly set the world to war(which could also possibly be an exaggeration).

[Dark Specie]

Kirkwall was the strongest seat of power for the templars, that's what gave it it's importance...

[Darian Tylmare]

Krikwall was the first city with a circel of mages that libareted itself from chantry supervision. It was the first domino piece to fall to cause a chain reaction.

[Zenstrive]

In Ferelden's Circle of Mages:

Year 1

"Cool news, bro, The Blight is over, a warden killed the Archdemon and freed us all!"
"Way to go, Warden!"

Year 2 in Ferelden:

"Do you hear, some guy called Hawke got famous in Kirkwall. He helps some apostates and blood mages to freedom!

"Really? Wow. Here's wishing the warden could do the same here. That guy just vanished after mopping the blight out!"

"Do you think this Hawke and this warden is the same guy?"

"Naah. His name wasn't Hawke."

Year 4:

"Dude, mages in Kirkwall have been getting help from this dude Hawke and his merry band of templars bashing companions! My sister from Starkhaven was helped by this dude Anders and got her freedom!"

"Hush, low your voices. We are not suppose to talk about that here!"

"But freedom!"

"We are free enough here. The Templars here are much nicer than in Kirkwall. There, they treat the all mages as abominations! Hell, The Sisters in Kirkwall even have more militaristic uniforms, and they god no brothers there!"

"Dude, that sucks!"

Year 7

"Dude, are you feeling it? The Templars got ruder and ruder now! We have four people tranquilized already this month! I wonder if Kirkwall's being flooded by blood mages got anything to do with it?"

" <in hushed tone> Ssh, Irving has been feeling it too and has gathering people to break open the walls. There are some people who are volunteering their bloods to be used as power source. Some good people. I heard Wynne is one of them!"

"Wynne??? Are you fracking me?"

"Yeah. She has enough of this templars and chantry business.!

"Count me in!"

Year 8:

the mages under Irving burst out the circle's walls by blood magic and subdued the templars. The templars got ****slapped by the chantry and the chantry got ****slapped back. The King of Ferelden got a headache. He is thinking about swooping down from his castle.

[WhiteKnyght]

Personally if I were Hawke I would have taken my family to Tevinter seeing as Bethany and potentially he were Apostates.

[Lekwid]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Personally if I were Hawke I would have taken my family to Tevinter seeing as Bethany and potentially he were Apostates.

But Gamlen wasn't in Tevinter.

[TJPags]

Lekwid wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Personally if I were Hawke I would have taken my family to Tevinter seeing as Bethany and potentially he were Apostates.

But Gamlen wasn't in Tevinter.

True.

But for me, by year 7, I'd be packing up and moving somewhere else.  Anywhere that isn't overrun by lunatic blood mages.

[CitizenSnips]

The events in Kirkwall are a catalyst. DA2 leads to the Qunari violating a centuries old treaty, the mages becoming free of their circles, and the templars splitting from the chantry. This is on top of darkspawn developing sentience and any other previous tensions in the world. This all makes for a Thedas sized ****storm crucible.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kirkwall is one of the most important port cities of the Waking Sea (now it's getting rivaled by Amaranthine). So instability there will have economic repercussions. And, it sets in motion events that will affect all of Thedas.

Also, apparently it's rich with resources, hence why Tevinter was interested in it (according to the enigma of Kirkwall codex IIRC). And that the veil is thin in the city, which is why it's virtually infested with demons (I am tempted to say that's a poor excuse to justify them being there).
Which gives the argument of wiping out the city entirely some validity.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[ailulu]

I believe it was not the place but what took place there that had a major impact on Thedas.

An apostate openly blow up the city chantry and killed everyone inside, including the grand cleric.

The same as when 911 happened in NY, did it really matter the attack heppened in NY? not really , what matters is that the attack destroyed buildings and lives on US soil.
With major landmark building blown up and thousands deaths, It would have been equally shocking and have left the same effects on everyone, had it happened in any US city. 911 changed the world, as the incident in kirkwall forever changed thedas.

[Zenstrive]

Why, nobody bother to check in Bone Pit for Hawke? He could be there, he owns the place and no more dragon there to bother him and surviving in the wild is what he does.

Or Hawke just having some fun being pirates with Isabela

[errant_knight]

Kirkwall is a powder keg that can start something that's really bad for all of Thedas. It's obvious enough to outsiders that it brings the king of Ferelden to Kirkwall to meet with the champion. I can't help but wonder what his plan was that was scuttled by Meredith's discovery that he was there. He certainly didn't come all that way just to tell the Champion to do good. He could have said that in a letter.

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides being a somewhat significant city-state in a strategic location in the Waking Sea, it's been the centerpoint of a number of influential points.

Like, say, demonstrating the Qunari willingness to break the Treaty and resume war in their (thankfully short) conquest of the city.

More importantly, though, is the blood mage rebellion. Kirkwall, and it's Circle, became symbolic for the plight of mages everywhere. It became a rallying cry.

[lx_theo]

You know how the commericals said champion to legend for Hawke?

unintentionally/intentionally starting one of the biggest, most global rebellions one could think happen does that.