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[Maria Caliban]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

For starters nobody edited Dragon Age. Peroid. So trying to compare what the creators did in a sequel to some third party editing Roots is just illogical.

Editors are creators. Plays, movies, novels, TV shows, video games, music - the vast majority of them go through an editor, often multiple editors, and are improved by it.

[RPGrogue]

I am glad every one is Bi, (BTW I am straight, and a dude) when i first heard you could only romance two girls i was a tad upset, I thought you would get more romances then that. But then I found out they were all Bi which means you have the possibility of four different options, which is pretty cool.

And why would you be upset if your lover was Bi? Think of the possibilities....

[Flashflame58]

For you it may be different, but as long as they're romancing only my character, I couldn't care less if they are straight or bi.

But that's just my two cents.

Modifié par Flashflame58, 16 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[AtreiyaN7]

hakwea wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

As long as they're with your hetero character, they're straight. Seriously, who cares if they are all bi? From a character standpoint, I certainly don't find it all that believable because I think the odds are low that someone would actually end up with four people who are all bi. From the standpoint of fairness and equality however, I'm like, great, everyone gets to be with whomever they like the most.

Fairness and equality have no place in a story if it detracts from the story. Would Roots be the same if all the racism was edited out so as to not offend people? Would Star Wars be the same if han solo and luke skywalker had a romance?  Would any story, fiction or non-fiction, be the same if any sexuality changed based on who they were around at the moment? Nope.

Having characters that are only gay, or only straight is not discrimination. It isn't being unfair, it isn't making some people not be equal. If anyone gets offend because they can't have everything the way they want it then they are deluded enough that a game shouldn't be designed with them in mind.

Does it ruin the game that everyone is bi? Not really. But it ruins the story of the characters when their "idle" conversations and responses don't match up with a side of the story you get to experince. The whole point of RPGs and having choices in the game is so it makes the story unfold around you and immerses you better.

It doesn't for me, but I suppose that depends on whether or not you're meta-gaming. If you're hypothetically operating solely on what Hawke knows, then you wouldn't have any idea what your companions' sexual orienations are. To your hetero Hawke, your LI is straight - that's all there is to it if you're actually staying in character. As for Roots...honestly, that's a completely ridiculous example to bring up.

Also, who said anyone was ever discriminated against? What  I do know is that there were people who were crushed that they couldn't romance Morrigan or Alistair in DA:O, so I'm of the opinion that what they did is okay this time, because people get to choose who they want and everyone wins. I think Alistair had to be hetero because of the kingship issue in DA:O, but ignoring that, in DA2 it doesn't seem like there are any story-based reasons for limiting the sexual orientation of the companions. 

I prefer to have a semi-realistic split, personally, but I had no strong feelings for or against what they chose to do. Furthermore, this situation is hardly the same as Star Wars. Sometimes a story can only work one way, and in the  case of Star Wars, the Han and Leia thing simply had to be that way. Regarding DA2, Ive already said that from a character/story standpoint that it doesn't seem likely or particularly believable to me. However, we're clearly not talking about a Han/Leia situation, so I think it's okay that they accommodated M/M, F/F and F/M.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[randName]

I'm so happy BW did this, making all biggots disgusted raises DA2 in my eyes; maybe its even a great game now.

[Maria Caliban]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

If you're hypothetically operating solely on what Hawke knows, then you wouldn't have any idea what your companions' sexual orienations are.

I can't imagine interacting with a friend for *seven years* and not knowing their sexual orientation.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
To your hetero Hawke, your LI is straight - that's all there is to it if you're actually staying in character.

If I live with my girlfriend for years and don't know if she's a lesbian or bisexual, there's something horribly wrong with the relationship.

And people are again assuming that all these characters are 'subjectively sexual.' Fenris talks about having sex with Isabela in his banters. Anders shows obvious interest in women in Dragon Age: Awakening. Isabela... is Isabela.

That leaves Merrill. One character that *might* have subjective sexual orientation. It's just as likely that given how little time was given to the romances, they decided adding in a conversation where Merrill talks about her attraction to men and women was a waste of resources.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 mars 2011 - 10:24 .

[Bolboreta]

I don't think so. Anders and Fenris are straight if you're a female. They aren't bi, it's just a consequence of your playing, no more. If you don't want them to be ******, then don't play as a male.

[Beaynid]

Kazanth wrote...

Is it that hard to pretend they're actually straight? Not trying to sound rude but I had no problem pretending whoever I was romancing was 100% homosexual because nothing in the game contradicted that if you ignore metagaming knowledge.

And yeah, be prepared for the inevitable bi-phobia discussion.

actually there is one point to make on this as to why you can just pretend everyone is straight if you want.  playing a male character, i pretty much had to flirt with merril and isabela, whereas just being nice to anders and fernis caused them to flirt with me within the first couple conversations.  so yeah that kills them being straight characters in ones mind.  now if the characters didnt flirt with you before you started to flirt with them, then i could see it. but thats not how its done in it.

It annoys me a lil but not overly.  anyways have fun...

[AtreiyaN7]

Maria Caliban wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

If you're hypothetically operating solely on what Hawke knows, then you wouldn't have any idea what your companions' sexual orienations are.

I can't imagine interacting with a friend for *seven years* and not knowing their sexual orientation.

Ah, I meant at the beginning of the game when you first run into them. I think over the next couple of years you'd certainly find out what their preferences are. However, I was mainly addressing what the other other poster was saying because it seemed like he looking at it purely from a metagaming standpoint and letting that ruin his/her immersion.

[Lord Atlia]

I preferred how ME, ME2, and DA:O handled the topic, a character should change based on the influence of the player but not be shaped by it. Does DA2s style bother me, marginally, but I will get over it.

[Taleroth]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Okay, Izzy is a little bit on the crazier side, but it's not like they all openly say, "Oh btw I like men/women, too and i wouldn't care if you were the opposite sex of what you are, I'll still f**k ya!". True love has no genders. (that being said, I'm straight, but I dislike ignorance, no matter what the form-- even if it is just a videogame, there are very many real world issues.)

True love my rear.  She propositioned Zevran while I was right there.

I should have given her to the Qunari.

[Taleroth]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Okay, Izzy is a little bit on the crazier side, but it's not like they all openly say, "Oh btw I like men/women, too and i wouldn't care if you were the opposite sex of what you are, I'll still f**k ya!". True love has no genders. (that being said, I'm straight, but I dislike ignorance, no matter what the form-- even if it is just a videogame, there are very many real world issues.)

True love my rear.  She propositioned Zevran while I was right there.

I should have given her to the Qunari.

yeah, but she *loves* Hawke. She's just sexually attracted to alot of ppl, including Zev.

Her *love* is quite evident when she offers to let Hawke join.

The Qunari

[Geiyu]

Taleroth wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Okay, Izzy is a little bit on the crazier side, but it's not like they all openly say, "Oh btw I like men/women, too and i wouldn't care if you were the opposite sex of what you are, I'll still f**k ya!". True love has no genders. (that being said, I'm straight, but I dislike ignorance, no matter what the form-- even if it is just a videogame, there are very many real world issues.)

True love my rear.  She propositioned Zevran while I was right there.

I should have given her to the Qunari.

yeah, but she *loves* Hawke. She's just sexually attracted to alot of ppl, including Zev.

Her *love* is quite evident when she offers to let Hawke join.

The Qunari

Ah, but she DOES love you. Later. She tries to avoid love because she's afraid of hurting others...then she finally DOES fall in love with you and doesn't know what to think anymore.

[Arrtis]

Bioware.
Just making a little something for everyone.
male bi female bi
male str female str
male hom female hom
then your done.
Then you will have complaints about who gets what kind of character.

[Maria Caliban]

Taleroth wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Okay, Izzy is a little bit on the crazier side, but it's not like they all openly say, "Oh btw I like men/women, too and i wouldn't care if you were the opposite sex of what you are, I'll still f**k ya!". True love has no genders. (that being said, I'm straight, but I dislike ignorance, no matter what the form-- even if it is just a videogame, there are very many real world issues.)

True love my rear.  She propositioned Zevran while I was right there.

I should have given her to the Qunari.

Imagine it's a hot summer's day, you are out with your squeeze, and suddenly you hear it: the ice cream truck.

As the white van comes into view, you quickly flag it down. Suddenly, the girl your with turns to you, gives you a nasty glare and says, "I'm on a diet."

Okay then, you'll just treat yourself to a... "You don't get ice cream either!"

No ice cream? Not even a little?!

But the truck is right there! And it's filled with cool, delicious ice cream. It would be a crime to not get *something.* You love your girlfriend though, and so deny yourself that ice cream for later, when she's in the mood for it.

Replace 'chocolate dipped banana bar' with Zevran, and you have Isabela's viewpoint on the matter.

[Arrtis]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Bioware.
Just making a little something for everyone.
male bi female bi
male str female str
male hom female hom
then your done.
Then you will have complaints about who gets what kind of character.

And then it will turn into the ability to create your romance at the beginning of the game. You can't satisfy everyone, so that's why bioware made them all bi. It makes perfect sense.

I said my bit already.
Just a lazy way of trying to satisfy the minorites it seems.
ME2 got away with it.But I suppose DA needs to seperate itself somehow.
OUR ROMANCES SWING in any direction you want them to.
Oh well.
Not gonna pre order the next game regardless of the free crap they throw at me.
Not because of the romances.But because of how the game is becoming.Cannot trust it.

[Russalka]

Trust the community to have an issue even when there are still essentially more heterosexual romance options, that homosexual ones.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[Malysoun]

Ardinal wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


Beyond that, if the concern is you might accidentally be exposed to someone who might make an unwelcome advance-- oh well. One would hope you'd deal with it in the same mature manner you'd do so in real life. There are numerous other times in Dragon Age where you might be confronted with uncomfortable situations, and you don't get to dictate those, either.

Yes David, but I'm a bisexual woman in real life and I don't just hit on everything that moves and I especially wouldn't hit on someone who is clearly hetrosexual. There are awkward situations in real life that would call for a mature approach, but usually they are avoided when you know what a person's sexual preferance actually is and you wouldn't push the issue out of courtesy.
Bioware made it possible for a player to be able to customize a characters sexuality, something that can be a very sacred and definitive choice to a person in real life.
So it's ok for us to dictate whether a character is gay or straight but then you mention something about accepting uncomfortable situations? I enjoy accepting the consequences in my role playing games, which includes having to accept the sexual orientation of the worlds NPC's. If I was a playing a LARP and someone didn't want their character to bed mine I wouldn just have to accept it. Although I could throw the homophobic "oh your mind just isn't open enough" crap their way before I stormed off. I get that its someones fantasy, I just wish Bioware had left the sexual orientation of a character alone and only at the mercy of player within the pages of many a fanfiction or among the galleries of deviantart.

Well said.

Sorry David, but loading the flirting into the 'good' or 'diplomatic' dialogue was both a flop and an insult to people who naturally choose diplomatic responses.

It would have been better to allow players to define their character's sexuality at the start of the game and perhaps have ways to change that later for those that wish to like the mirror that changes appearance.

[UltiPup]

If you romance Anders as a girl, he is straight. As a boy, he is gay ( he officially says he had others ). The same is applied to Fenris. Now, Isabela is the ONLY character who is officially bi. Leliana and Zevran do comment on having relations with both genders. That is official. For everyone else, it is not. But the other characters do change to match your gender. Just because the option is there doesn't make either sexuality official.

Modifié par UltiPup, 16 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Whist Darkblade]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Bioware.
Just making a little something for everyone.
male bi female bi
male str female str
male hom female hom
then your done.
Then you will have complaints about who gets what kind of character.

And then it will turn into the ability to create your romance at the beginning of the game. You can't satisfy everyone, so that's why bioware made them all bi. It makes perfect sense.

True, from the business sense BW covered all the bases, it just pisses the straight gamers off, when you get hit on by Anders or Fenris when you just rp a paragon-type male (as if underlying flirtation is applyed when choosing the paragon option).

After helping Anders the first time when we went to go save Karl, once we got back to Darktown, ive gotta be honest i was totally suprised when he started hitting on my character.

Despite my personal feeling of absolute repulsion at ******/bi relations, I understand that BW is just out to make money, and does this by making all types of gamers happy. I would greatly appreciate it if it wasnt so in your face, so your character doesnt get hit on by straight/bi/****** game characters until you instigate the start of an LI. While there are many sexual inuendos (concering big boats, and thick masts) from Isabella, she doesnt actually say anything about liking your character (in a sexual manner) until you click the first heart conversation, same goes for Merrill.

Modifié par Whist Darkblade, 16 mars 2011 - 11:01 .

[jheise4321]

They aren't bisexual. What the hell is everyone talking about? In Male Hawke playthroughs they are gay and in Female Hawke playthroughs they are straight. It is retarded how every male you come across is gay for you as a Male Hawke. I am walking around looking rugged and with a beard. Clearly I am not interested in a man. I go to gay bars all the time with my girlfriend because we have quite a few gay friends. Gay dudes can tell I am straight without me even talking to my girlfriend. The companions are not very bright apparently. It is lazy like previous posters have said. We all know bisexuality doesn't exist. It is only 16 year olds needing attention. <---From the mouths of my gay friends.

P.S.  Stop jumping on the progressive bandwagon, it isn't healthy to the world.

Modifié par jheise4321, 16 mars 2011 - 11:03 .