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[Arrtis]

Need to get rid of those romances!

[robtheguru]

I'd have rathered it that Anders didn't try it on with my male Hawke if i'm honest, but doesn't matter, my Hawke proved his straightness by taking Merrill to brown town.

[Arrtis]

Truthfully it really doesnt matter to me while I play.
I will try to find everything i can about the game sooner or later.

[SarEnyaDor]

There is no such thing as bi-sexual companions, they are all Hawke-sexual. No dialouge playing it straight would make you think anything other than Anders is straight. I have tons of platonic female friends, and I would be devestated if they were made Tranquil, they don't have to be my lover to be upset about this. *sigh*

It is all in the eye of the beholder. They are gay if you want them to be, straight if you'd prefer that, and bi if you'd prefer ... and you are the one clicking the responses so you must have preferred or else why did you click them?? o.0

[Soundsystem]

Dangerfoot wrote...

jheise4321 wrote...

We all know bisexuality doesn't exist. It is only 16 year olds needing attention. <---From the mouths of my gay friends.

Either you and your gay friends are incredibly ignorant, or you're trolling. I'm going to pray it's the latter.

Oh! I don't exist. I'm a unicorn! A UNIIICORN!

*pranceprancefrolic*

Captain Cornhole wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

If you romance Anders as a girl, he is straight. As a boy, he is gay ( he officially says he had others ). The same is applied to Fenris. Now, Isabela is the ONLY character who is officially bi. Leliana and Zevran do comment on having relations with both genders. That is official. For everyone else, it is not. But the other characters do change to match your gender. Just because the option is there doesn't make either sexuality official.

The thing is you can be attracted to both sexes, and still be having a straight or gay relationship. Does that effectivly make you straight or gay? No it dosn't, you would still be bi. If what I just said isn't true would wouldn't have need to use the word bi.

If it was cannon that Anders is straight you wouldn't have the opertunity to romance him as a male character, the default cannon is that everyon except Sabastian is bi. The only varible is the gender or Hawke if you wisht to romance anyone.

If you look up Ander' page on the DA2 wiki it says that if you are a male Hawke then it is canon that he is bi, as he mentions having a relationship with Karl and not caring about gender. If you are a female Hawke then he is straight, not mention of Karl or being bi is ever mentioned. The page also includes links to youtube videos that confirm this.

___

In regards to this whole thread, a lot of it seems to be people whining about teh biseckuals hitting on them. I personally identify as pansexual, so this is not a problem for me but.. it does seem ridiculous after so many years of being forced to only have straight romances. This is an important thing to me considering how my queer identity is marginalized on a dialy basis.

My lesbian friends are hit on by guys. Should they throw a hissy fit over this game and insist that men stop hitting on them?

My gay friends are hit on by women. Should they throw a hissy fit and insist that women stop hitting on them in game?

My roommate and best friend is asexual. Should everyone in the game completely stop hitting on her?

No. Because it's absurd to expect this. But why do some people seem to think it's no absurd when straight people demand the same thing? 

You are not forced to enter into a relationship just because someone expresses interest. You are not forced to suddenly turn queer if a queer person hits on you.

[Ardinal]

Ok here's a question. Why doesn't Hawke have sex with Bethany? Because Bethany is pre-defined as your sister. You just have to accept that the character "Bethany" is your sister and hence not a romance option for either gender of the Hawke incarnation. To me being able to dictate the sexuality of a companion is the same as wanting to re-write the character Bethany and not make her your sister so that your character is able to bed her. I don't want NPC's that are customizable to the extent that you may as well have party full of PC's

[Whist Darkblade]

Anders and Fenris when playing through as a straight male Hawke are gay, and hit on my character BEFORE i ever had the chance to click the conversation option pictured above. All i am saying is that I found this distastful. Id have no problem if I was playing through as a gay Hawke.

Im not saying enable on-the-fly sexual adaptation of NPC's, im saying dont hit on my PC until i instigate a love interest.


*Note* It is also absurd and wrong to yourself to compare this game to hypothetical real world events (as in the members of this forum have no way of knowing what is 100% fact, and what is typed to try and prove a point)

So comparing this request to the real world event of lesbians being hit on by guys, gays being hit on by girls etc. is riduculous and un-realistic.

- Michael

[Arrtis]

People are just too sensitive.Its just that simple.

[Whist Darkblade]

Arrtis wrote...

People are just too sensitive.Its just that simple.

Or this too

[Shadow Wing]

Taleroth wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Okay, Izzy is a little bit on the crazier side, but it's not like they all openly say, "Oh btw I like men/women, too and i wouldn't care if you were the opposite sex of what you are, I'll still f**k ya!". True love has no genders. (that being said, I'm straight, but I dislike ignorance, no matter what the form-- even if it is just a videogame, there are very many real world issues.)

True love my rear.  She propositioned Zevran while I was right there.

I should have given her to the Qunari.

I always thought thats what makes her an interesting romance character, she isn't an easy romanceable character like the others, you have to take your time with her and she doesn't give in till the very END of the game, thats dedication. Some say that breeds a deeper relationship since it was not an easy "catch" (in terms of a relationship not just getting laid) thus she will give her all to you.

[Ardinal]

Anders puts his gay on hold to wait for Hawke's response.If MHawke is gay it's all systems are go. So if Hawke is male Anders will always be gay. If Hawke is female and she wants to romance him he has magically put the gay away and taken a walk down to straight town. I don't think an NPC's sexuality should be at the mercy of a PC.

[Hezulkai]

Arrtis wrote...

Rhys1984 wrote...

YOU know that BI is the option, its about the RP of it, your character isn't tagging up with your opposite sex character and saying hey, that Anders, he totally banged both of us, what a fruit.

If you play multiple play throughs it destroys the RP aspect.

Man must have been really tough for you to play DA:O.  I mean sometimes Bhelen is the king, but other times it's Harrowmont.  How can you ever talk to a dwarf knowing that either one of them could be king?  Immersion, ruined.

And then there's the elves.  I mean sometimes they are elves, but then you can also werewolf munch them.  OMG.  I can't even talk to a Dalish anymore knowing that.

I thank you for bringing to light the terrible tyranny of multiple option RPGaming.  We need Bioware to understand that all stories have to feature white, hetero-normative burly manly men who have sex only with luscious, busty girly-girls as they follow a single, non-deviating path from glory to glory to ultimate victory over a clearly delineated and obvious bad guy in a game of no moral ambiguity because otherwise guys, otherwise people might not be able to play the game because they can't truly be immersed in it knowing that if they even thought about selecting another option, something would be different.

So if I understand this, this thread boils down to people complaining that an option they would never, ever use because their nether regions pucker just thinking about the possibility of it being played out in a fully clothed fade to black in someone else's game offends them?

You're seriously on this forum complaining that your game is ruined because an option you don't want to use exists for people who are not you and the simple fact of its existance is abhorrent to you because you and your ilk find "those" people disgusting?

Seriously?

Wow.

[naughty99]

Danjaru wrote...
 the one possibly carrying the taint version of aids?

[Soundsystem]

Whist Darkblade wrote...




Anders and Fenris when playing through as a straight male Hawke are gay, and hit on my character BEFORE i ever had the chance to click the conversation option pictured above. All i am saying is that I found this distastful. Id have no problem if I was playing through as a gay Hawke.

Im not saying enable on-the-fly sexual adaptation of NPC's, im saying dont hit on my PC until i instigate a love interest.


*Note* It is also absurd and wrong to yourself to compare this game to hypothetical real world events (as in the members of this forum have no way of knowing what is 100% fact, and what is typed to try and prove a point)

So comparing this request to the real world event of lesbians being hit on by guys, gays being hit on by girls etc. is riduculous and un-realistic.

- Michael

I see no evidence of Fenris hitting on you. I see you having the option to hit on him. You having an option to hit on him does not mean he is hitting on you.

And again, the shot of Anders just shows that you have the ability to hit on him. Anders will hit on your character regardless of gender, but it is simple to avoid this (David Gaider says how to in this thread actually) and simple to turn him down.

Having played through meeting both Fenris and Anders with both a male and female Hawke: Fenris does not hit on you unless you select flirt. 

You seem to be expecting men not to hit on you if you are straight, I was pointing out how ridiculous a request that is. I see nobody whining that a straight woman hit on their gay character (except in jest), nobody whining that a straight man hit on their lesbian character, or people complaining about people hitting on their asexual character. Just people whining about their straight character being hit on.

[Jimmy Fury]

Ardinal wrote...

Ok here's a question. Why doesn't Hawke have sex with Bethany? Because Bethany is pre-defined as your sister. You just have to accept that the character "Bethany" is your sister and hence not a romance option for either gender of the Hawke incarnation. To me being able to dictate the sexuality of a companion is the same as wanting to re-write the character Bethany and not make her your sister so that your character is able to bed her. I don't want NPC's that are customizable to the extent that you may as well have party full of PC's

Yay!
You win the "I compared homosexuality to incest" cookie! [throws confetti]

(warning: The cookie tastes like despair and may contain peanut traces)

[Shadow Wing]

MaRKyzas21 wrote...

I think that game developers had to warn players about all those bi romances before buying the game. I preordered this game because I love DAO and I respect the writers for a great story. Alistair was my favorite companion and romance option for my female Warden. To be honest, I expected something similar from Dragon Age II too. However, I am very disappointed with all these developments associated with changes in the range of romance. I wanted a normal man for my female Hawke romance, but instead I got two types of uncertain orientation. I'd be satisfied with Sebastian, but he has not been created by the true romance.
I want to know for what I pay my money in the future.

Thats.....thats really really unnecessary and hilarious..don't want to be rude here but while I know and agree that the romance aspect of the game is an intergral part of the narrative can you imagine going to your local store and have stickers on top of the game saying  "Warning: this game has only bi sexual romanceable characters" seriously.

[Mikka-chan]

I certainly don't see Fenris flirting before you clicky the heart. He notes his appearance intimidated people which is a simple 'fact'- not an attempt at flirting: Hawke has an option to flirt with him, and turn it in to a flirty conversation, but Fenris, like Merill (and Seb, for that matter), does not start flirting. Hawke has an option to flirt, but it is that: an option.

Anders and Isabella do flirt (well, Isa does, and Ander's can) before you flirt with them. This is for both genders. Guess what? People often flirt with people without knowing if the person they're in to is attracted to them (and this goes beyond sexual preference- race, culture, political stance, intelligence, attractiveness, sense of humor and all those lovely things are involved, as I would hope people are well aware of). That's why they flirt rather then suddenly confess undying love. If you're not interested, you're not interested, but they can't tell that till they flirt. Even if you had an option to set at the beginning Hawke's sexuality, there wouldn't be a way for your companions to know it, anyway- despite the rumored gaydar or 'she's totally in to me! vibes', in life there's no way to tell if someone is interested without feeling them out.

(And yeah, Anders takes it badly if he tries flirting and it turns out you're not in to him, male or female. That's sort of a common trait, too. It's disappointing (not to mention embarrassing) to find out that you just took a chance on someone who's not interested- I remember running away in tears after being rejected a few times in my own life.)

In any case, between the 'homosexuality is disgusting' and 'bi people don't exist', this thread is gross. Forget the silent majority: yes, it's a minority that wanted all characters bi or gay, just like it's a minority that finds them unromancable because they can be bi or gay in another playthrough. The silent majority does not give a darn about the labels we put on the characters and is just going to be happy to romance the character they're interested in with the character they want to play, and is not going to be hung up on the fact that in someone else's playthrough, Merill may be flirting with a gal.

[Ardinal]

Hezulkai wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Rhys1984 wrote...

YOU know that BI is the option, its about the RP of it, your character isn't tagging up with your opposite sex character and saying hey, that Anders, he totally banged both of us, what a fruit.

If you play multiple play throughs it destroys the RP aspect.

Man must have been really tough for you to play DA:O.  I mean sometimes Bhelen is the king, but other times it's Harrowmont.  How can you ever talk to a dwarf knowing that either one of them could be king?  Immersion, ruined.

And then there's the elves.  I mean sometimes they are elves, but then you can also werewolf munch them.  OMG.  I can't even talk to a Dalish anymore knowing that.

I thank you for bringing to light the terrible tyranny of multiple option RPGaming.  We need Bioware to understand that all stories have to feature white, hetero-normative burly manly men who have sex only with luscious, busty girly-girls as they follow a single, non-deviating path from glory to glory to ultimate victory over a clearly delineated and obvious bad guy in a game of no moral ambiguity because otherwise guys, otherwise people might not be able to play the game because they can't truly be immersed in it knowing that if they even thought about selecting another option, something would be different.

So if I understand this, this thread boils down to people complaining that an option they would never, ever use because their nether regions pucker just thinking about the possibility of it being played out in a fully clothed fade to black in someone else's game offends them?

You're seriously on this forum complaining that your game is ruined because an option you don't want to use exists for people who are not you and the simple fact of its existance is abhorrent to you because you and your ilk find "those" people disgusting?

Seriously?

Wow.

Yes but the Dalish are still the same Dalish whether they exist or not in another persons game. Anders will always be gay in a MHawke play through. He can never exist as a straight man hanging out with a male Hawke because he is tailored to be "gay" in case the player with a MHawke avatar happens to want a homosexual relationship with him. Its like he's on gay standby as oppossed to being given a defined sexuality your PC can interact with.

Modifié par Ardinal, 17 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[Blacklash93]

Anders and Isabela are bi. Period. That is in no way subjective because they both have a history of being attracted to both genders.

Fenris and Merrill on the other hand are almost completely subjective. They mention no sexual history at all and never blatantly hit on your character.

[backrow]

also, that's one ugly Hawke!

[Hezulkai]

Yes but the Dalish are still the same Dalish when they exist in another persons game as opposed to having Werewolves. Anders will always be gay in a MHawke play through. He can never exist as a straight man hanging out with a male Hawke because he is tailored to be "gay" in case the player with a MHawke avatar happens to want a homosexual relationship with him. Its like he's on gay standby as oppossed to being given a defined sexuality your PC can interact with.

This reminds me of all the people who hated Alistair in DAO because if you played through the ending where you chose Loghain, Alistair would leave the Wardens and knowing that possibility existed meant that every other possibility and playthrough was irrevocably tainted by Alistair's actions in the one playthrough.

Simple solution to Anders... say 'no thanks' and after that he's your buddy.  Any hang ups you have about hanging out with people who aren't 100% straight are all your own from that point on.  You can still be buddies with gay guys, just so you know.

[a12boom]

Errggh i know how you feel but in Awakening Anders was straight. I think they should have kept with the Awakening design and personality of Anders form Awakening just with the new clothes. Ugh i accidently chose a flirt option with Anders so i turned off my PS3 and turned him down. I'm straight but i have nothing against Gay's or Bi's. But Bioware if you make DA3 Please make at least 3 of the LI's straight.

[Whist Darkblade]

Soundsystem wrote...

Whist Darkblade wrote...




Anders and Fenris when playing through as a straight male Hawke are gay, and hit on my character BEFORE i ever had the chance to click the conversation option pictured above. All i am saying is that I found this distastful. Id have no problem if I was playing through as a gay Hawke.

Im not saying enable on-the-fly sexual adaptation of NPC's, im saying dont hit on my PC until i instigate a love interest.


*Note* It is also absurd and wrong to yourself to compare this game to hypothetical real world events (as in the members of this forum have no way of knowing what is 100% fact, and what is typed to try and prove a point)

So comparing this request to the real world event of lesbians being hit on by guys, gays being hit on by girls etc. is riduculous and un-realistic.

- Michael

I see no evidence of Fenris hitting on you. I see you having the option to hit on him. You having an option to hit on him does not mean he is hitting on you.

And again, the shot of Anders just shows that you have the ability to hit on him. Anders will hit on your character regardless of gender, but it is simple to avoid this (David Gaider says how to in this thread actually) and simple to turn him down.

Having played through meeting both Fenris and Anders with both a male and female Hawke: Fenris does not hit on you unless you select flirt. 

You seem to be expecting men not to hit on you if you are straight, I was pointing out how ridiculous a request that is. I see nobody whining that a straight woman hit on their gay character (except in jest), nobody whining that a straight man hit on their lesbian character, or people complaining about people hitting on their asexual character. Just people whining about their straight character being hit on.

No, I understand what you are saying, particularly 

Soundsystem wrote...

You seem to be expecting men not to hit on you if you are straight, I was pointing out how ridiculous a request that is.

Im wasnt expecting Anders.  It was merely that I found it distasteful and rather surprising after Anders talk about the ladies in DAOA. I just supose he wasnt out of the closet yet.

Modifié par Whist Darkblade, 17 mars 2011 - 02:13 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Ardinal wrote...
Anders will always be gay in a MHawke play through. He can never exist as a straight man hanging out with a male Hawke because he is tailored to be "gay" in case the player with a MHawke avatar happens to want a homosexual relationship with him. Its like he's on gay standby as oppossed to being given a defined sexuality your PC can interact with.

So which is it?
Either he is gay or he doesn't have a defined sexuality.

But then I haven't fully understood what you were trying to argue for like 4 pages now so I'm not sure why i'm even asking.

[Soundsystem]

jheise4321 wrote...

They aren't bisexual. What the hell is everyone talking about? In Male Hawke playthroughs they are gay and in Female Hawke playthroughs they are straight. It is retarded how every male you come across is gay for you as a Male Hawke. I am walking around looking rugged and with a beard. Clearly I am not interested in a man. I go to gay bars all the time with my girlfriend because we have quite a few gay friends. Gay dudes can tell I am straight without me even talking to my girlfriend. The companions are not very bright apparently. It is lazy like previous posters have said. We all know bisexuality doesn't exist. It is only 16 year olds needing attention. <---From the mouths of my gay friends.

P.S.  Stop jumping on the progressive bandwagon, it isn't healthy to the world.

Someone's never heard of Bears~

Also. Bisexuality does exist or else I am a unicorn. Who knows several other unicorns. All this quote proves is that your gay friends are biphobic, which is sadly not uncommon even in the LGBTQ community.

a12boom wrote...

Errggh i know how you feel but in Awakening Anders was straight. I think they should have kept with the Awakening design and personality of Anders form Awakening just with the new clothes. 

I talk about how hot men are all the time. Doesn't make me straight.

You know what they say about what happens when you assume~

Modifié par Soundsystem, 17 mars 2011 - 02:15 .