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[Spatchmo]

Deztyn wrote...

Great.

So either A) It's a deliberate choice to deny content to people with a FemHawke, in order to let them pretend Anders is straight, despite how his previous relationship with Karl might affect their views of Anders other decisions in the game.

or Anders sexuality depends on Hawke.

I'm not sure which idea I hate more to be honest. 

I don't really understand this complaint... Are you saying people with a female Hawke are being denied content because Anders doesn't talk about his relationship with Karl?

[Mitridathes]

So I guess the reason for Anders hitting on my male Hawke were because I in general always chose diplomatic/friendly answers. He simply take my kind nature, in games or in general depending on who of my friends you ask  , as an invitation. Makes much more sense to me than the "hey you have helped me.. wanna share a bunk??" I experienced first.

As long as every one have the choice to play the game they "want" as a straight/bi/same sex character then im all good

Ohh, Deztyn, really love your signature, made me smile on a otherwise dreary day

Modifié par Mitridathes, 17 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

TJPags wrote...

However, I still think making vitually all LI's bi, rather then choosing some to be strraight and some to be gay/lesbian was the lazy way to do it.

I'm kind of inclined to think this, as (and this was something I brought up well before DA2 came out), roleplaying as a "straight," "bi," or homosexual character is typically more about what Hawke is, rather than about what potential love interests are. So a more realistic approach would be to vary the orientation of the other characters, with some being straight and others being not.

Although Dragon Age: Origins was a bit too "even" on this point--one straight guy, one straight woman, one bisexual guy, one bisexual woman.

[Dustin1280]

God this topic is lame

TC and anyone else complaining about such a stupid thing are down right ridiculous...

Modifié par Dustin1280, 17 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[Soundsystem]

Deztyn wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...
If he is straight in one play through and not in the other and it is still cannon then we have a continuity problem. 

You do realize that not mentioning Karl or having the opportunity to have sex with a man in a particular game does not make him straight, yes? That is your assumption. You are free to assume such-- as I said, it's not mentioned much for precisely that reason -- but that does not alter reality and cause "a continuity problem".

Great.

So either A) It's a deliberate choice to deny content to people with a FemHawke, in order to let them pretend Anders is straight, despite how his previous relationship with Karl might affect their views of Anders other decisions in the game.

or Anders sexuality depends on Hawke.

I'm not sure which idea I hate more to be honest. 

Or it's: C) One has current bearing on his relationship and the other doesn't?

I think it's more of a choice that it would make sense for Anders to act differently towards a male Hawke than a female Hawke and vis versa. Just in the way friendship offers different conversations and insights into the character than rivalry does. It makes sense.

At least that's my opinion. 

[Deztyn]

Spatchmo wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Great.

So either A) It's a deliberate choice to deny content to people with a FemHawke, in order to let them pretend Anders is straight, despite how his previous relationship with Karl might affect their views of Anders other decisions in the game.

or Anders sexuality depends on Hawke.

I'm not sure which idea I hate more to be honest. 

I don't really understand this complaint... Are you saying people with a female Hawke are being denied content because Anders doesn't talk about his relationship with Karl?

Yes.

And now bolded for emphasis. Anders in DA2 is a very different character from Anders in DAA. Yes, there's Justice. But the Tranquility quest gives the changes a more personal spin. Killing Karl after he's been made tranquil is horrifying either way, but personally I find it more gutwrenching to know him as Anders first lover than as just a friend. Something that I had to find out on the forums after already finishing my game. If it even applies to my game. That still hasn't been made entirely clear.

Mitridathes: Thanks. One of my favorite Thane quotes, too bad you only get it by dumping him.

Soundsystem: C is still A,

A choice by the devs to deny Female players content that could inform our view of a character.

Modifié par Deztyn, 17 mars 2011 - 08:39 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Deztyn wrote...

A choice by the devs to deny Female players content that could inform our view of a character.

And...?

You're denied content that could inform your view on characters regardless, as it's impossible to play all of the romances at once in any case. Why this is somehow special when talking about two different romance paths for the same LI is simply beyond me. Frankly I don't see Anders just freely talking about his male lovers to his female one, anyway. That could be incredibly awkward, and not even from the player's point of view.

[Deztyn]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

A choice by the devs to deny Female players content that could inform our view of a character.

And...?

You're denied content that could inform your view on characters regardless, as it's impossible to play all of the romances at once in any case. Why this is somehow special when talking about two different romance paths for the same LI is simply beyond me. Frankly I don't see Anders just freely talking about his male lovers to his female one, anyway. That could be incredibly awkward, and not even from the player's point of view.

So much more akward than talking about it with his male lover?

I'll play a rogue, mage, a warrior, and then another three rogues. I'll be compassionate, and snarky, and ruthless, and as evil as the game allows. I'll probably play this game a dozen different ways despite how much it disappoints me because that's what I do. But I would have never played it as a male character knowing that I could have all the different love interests as a female character.

So as a woman, who only plays as a woman when no achievements are involved (One day Ashley Williams. Maybe Shepard #26.) I would never have seen it and known it.

And I think that bites.

[Iehoa0083]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

TJPags wrote...

However, I still think making vitually all LI's bi, rather then choosing some to be strraight and some to be gay/lesbian was the lazy way to do it.

I'm kind of inclined to think this, as (and this was something I brought up well before DA2 came out), roleplaying as a "straight," "bi," or homosexual character is typically more about what Hawke is, rather than about what potential love interests are. So a more realistic approach would be to vary the orientation of the other characters, with some being straight and others being not.

Although Dragon Age: Origins was a bit too "even" on this point--one straight guy, one straight woman, one bisexual guy, one bisexual woman.

They got a lot of complaint last time, where people were saying that
why some of the LIs were not bi and people came with all sorts of reasons why
they all should be bi. I guess Bioware saw that and decided that they will
listen to the players (some players). And, to be honest, I don't have a problem
with all of the LIs being possible bisexual.

The thing that annoys
me was that in some cases ( I haven't finish the game yet) they did not do a
good job in balancing the choices between friendship, love and rivalry. I
remember about two days ago? I was talking to Anders in Darktown, I think it
was at the end of act one and the quest name was just "talk to
Anders". My setting was the my male Hawke would want to be a friend to
Anders and try to support him. But, during the conversation and a post for help
in this forum, I realized that I was force to choose between ending the
conversation at the first choice which would not give me any friend or rivalry
point, get friendly point but have to flirt with him or not flirt with him but
get rivalry points. I don't think that was a very well design conversation and
according to what I read on this forum, there is at least one more instance
like this in the game.

So, although it is not a serious enough problem for me to bang my head on the
wall or stop playing, but it did annoy me to some degree. Like I said before, I
don't mind all the LIs being bisexual and for all I know, this could be a
isolated problem which only happen in a few instances. But ideally I should be
able to, at least in that one instance, choose to either get friendly points by
being friend, get friendly point by flirting or get rivalry point for being an
ass. I think Bioware should have pay more attention to these things and improve
upon it in the future games.  

 

Modifié par Iehoa0083, 17 mars 2011 - 11:21 .

[Dracotamer]

There are straight people, you just can't romance them lol!

[Knight Terror]

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

[Gabey5]

who cares? In your game he is straight

[Ardinal]

David,

It has done me wonders to view your perspective. I made assumptions about character creation and development where I thought it was better for fans to simply accept a creators depiction of a character (including all elements i.e. voice, appearance and sexuality).
I never understood the mentality behind the people who would read a books or watch a film only to feel the need to write an angry letter to the creators for what they did or didn't do with their favourite character.
Bioware was attempting to give more freedom to the gamer; offering more choice on how their companion relationships pan out. I realise by disagreeing with your attempts to be flexible with character development I have become that angry fan typing furiously on my keyboard and demanding that you make changes... to your changes. *sigh*

My apologies.

I have decided that after all this I am going to become GAIDERSEXUAL! Write for me Gaider! Now and forever more!

[Knight Terror]

If David Gaider doesn't have a drinking problem, he is going to after continual reading of this board.

[Clover Rider]

Knight Terror wrote...

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

Try Doctor Who forums :innocent:.

[StingingVelvet]

David Gaider wrote...

Fenris and Merrill don't initiate a romance with any gender, and really their sexuality is the most subjective since they don't discuss it. Regardless, why someone would be concerned about what other people might do in their playthroughs is difficult to say. If the idea that a character might be having hypothetical sex with someone of the same gender in an alternate dimension bothers you, then by all means don't continue with their romance. That's why they're optional.

This is an odd comment to me because Fenris is the only companion I had straight-up come on to me and try to force the issue.  I never clicked one romance dialogue with him and he was still like "hey baby you're my type."  I ignored him because I romanced Anders, who in contrast never came on to me and I had to force the issue.

Anyway, as for the whole bisexual thing I like the idea that they are only straight/gay/bi depending on your actions.  If you as a male never come on to Anders then he is never gay, as far as you know, same as if you come on to him as a woman.  If you as a male come on to him then he is gay, to give you the playthrough you desire.  I don't mind that, though it will annoy me when every wikia entry undoubtedly calls all of them bisexual.

[hismastersvoice]

Some Geth wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

Try Doctor Who forums :innocent:.

It's like comparing Everest and K2. K2 might be smaller but is sure as hell killed more climbers...

[TobiTobsen]

StingingVelvet wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Fenris and Merrill don't initiate a romance with any gender, and really their sexuality is the most subjective since they don't discuss it. Regardless, why someone would be concerned about what other people might do in their playthroughs is difficult to say. If the idea that a character might be having hypothetical sex with someone of the same gender in an alternate dimension bothers you, then by all means don't continue with their romance. That's why they're optional.

This is an odd comment to me because Fenris is the only companion I had straight-up come on to me and try to force the issue.  I never clicked one romance dialogue with him and he was still like "hey baby you're my type."  I ignored him because I romanced Anders, who in contrast never came on to me and I had to force the issue.

Anyway, as for the whole bisexual thing I like the idea that they are only straight/gay/bi depending on your actions.  If you as a male never come on to Anders then he is never gay, as far as you know, same as if you come on to him as a woman.  If you as a male come on to him then he is gay, to give you the playthrough you desire.  I don't mind that, though it will annoy me when every wikia entry undoubtedly calls all of them bisexual.

ähem... the very first thing Anders did, after I recruited him and solved the Karl quest, was telling me that he finds me very "interesting" and asked me if I had a problem with that. Two *heart* answers one *broken heart* answer and he immediately snaps at you and gets 10 rival points if you tell him that you have a problem with that.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 17 mars 2011 - 12:17 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Knight Terror wrote...

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

Have you ever seen the Sonic fanbase? BioWare's doesn't even come close.

[Nathan Redgrave]

TobiTobsen wrote...

ähem... the very first thing Anders did, after I recruited him and solved the Karl quest, was telling me that he finds me very "interesting" and asked me if I had a problem with that. Two *heart* answers one *broken heart* answer and he immediately snaps at you and gets 10 rival points if you tell him that you have a problem with that.

Interesting. In two playthroughs, one as each gender, Anders never came on to me once. Fenris at one point says something like "had I known I would find a man/woman so capable" which is a possible lead-in for you to flirt with him, although you can just give a platonic response and he drops it. But that's all. Beyond that, only Isabela ever actively flirted with my characters, and that's just because Isabela does that.

Mind, when I was playing as a male, I was slightly critical of Anders, and when I was a female, I flirted with him almost right out the door, so it's probably because he didn't have the chance.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 17 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[TobiTobsen]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

ähem... the very first thing Anders did, after I recruited him and solved the Karl quest, was telling me that he finds me very "interesting" and asked me if I had a problem with that. Two *heart* answers one *broken heart* answer and he immediately snaps at you and gets 10 rival points if you tell him that you have a problem with that.

Interesting. In two playthroughs, one as each gender, Anders never came on to me once. Fenris at one point says something like "had I known I would find a man/woman so capable" which is a possible lead-in for you to flirt with him, although you can just give a platonic response and he drops it. But that's all. Beyond that, only Isabela ever actively flirted with my characters, and that's just because Isabela does that.

Mind, when I was playing as a male, I was slightly critical of Anders, and when I was a female, I flirted with him almost right out the door, so it's probably because he didn't have the chance.

Maybe it depends on the answers you give him through the Karl quest? I was very understanding and supportive, maybe he would have acted different if I had been more pro chantry

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 17 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Deztyn wrote...

So much more akward than talking about it with his male lover?

If you already know a guy doesn't have a problem with guy/guy relationships, yes.

If you're with a woman, who may or may not find homosexuality repulsive on principle, then yes, it could be incredibly awkward. Since it's the player's choice to imagine Hawke as either open to that possibility or against it, Anders keeping his mouth shut is really the only neutral position. Since someone who's roleplaying a gay/bi Hawke obviously doesn't mind, Anders being open about it makes more sense.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 17 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[atheelogos]

Captain Cornhole wrote...
Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Bottomline it is disgusting

Not condeming it, but then you turn around and say its disgusting. lol yeah that makes sense I suppose^_^

[foam]

I think that Boiware solved this in the best way they possibly could. Four characters being hypothetically attracted to Hawke regardless of gender isn't neccesarily realistic, but it's the best way to give people options. How would not allowing m/f Hawke to romance certain characters enrich your experience? It doesn't deny you content, it provides content for other people. Content that you'll never even have to discover.

I think people are being selfish.