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[Suron]

oh no King Gaider it's not a punishment at all. Just apparently you think bi's and gays get pissed if someone says they're not interested in being a sheath for their swords.

I'm straight and this offended me...I'm glad I'm not bi or gay in that I'd really be upset with you. It's a disgrace. fact.

[Suron]

David Gaider wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...
If he is straight in one play through and not in the other and it is still cannon then we have a continuity problem. 

You do realize that not mentioning Karl or having the opportunity to have sex with a man in a particular game does not make him straight, yes? That is your assumption. You are free to assume such-- as I said, it's not mentioned much for precisely that reason -- but that does not alter reality and cause "a continuity problem".

wow for someone, in their first post, that said they were only going to chime in and "be done with it" you certainly have gone on a rather humorous defensive.

argue all you want, you're borderline trolling now.  You're resorting to veiled insults and condensending remarks.  But that's ok though isn't it...at best we'd get deleted posts and a warning..at worst..a ban.  You on the other hand? HEIL!

[Raikas]

Deztyn wrote...

Anders in DA2 is a very different character from Anders in DAA. Yes, there's Justice. But the Tranquility quest gives the changes a more personal spin. Killing Karl after he's been made tranquil is horrifying either way, but personally I find it more gutwrenching to know him as Anders first lover than as just a friend.

This is so true.  It very much changes the flavour of what happens there (at least for me) - and given that a major part of the development of nearly all of the companions is them having the opportunity to kill spouses and siblings the I'm surprised that the friend/lover distinction wouldn't have made it into the fHawke's version of Anders' story.

[StingingVelvet]

TobiTobsen wrote...

ähem... the very first thing Anders did, after I recruited him and solved the Karl quest, was telling me that he finds me very "interesting" and asked me if I had a problem with that. Two *heart* answers one *broken heart* answer and he immediately snaps at you and gets 10 rival points if you tell him that you have a problem with that.

Well as someone else said I never experienced that.  It must really depend on dialogue, as far as I knew Karl was just a friend of his.

So that's kind of the point, none of these companions are gay/bi/straight in an official sense, what they are depends on how you play the game.

[Jimmy Fury]

Some Geth wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

Try Doctor Who forums :innocent:.

Where "Russel T Davies sacrified my baby to satan while eating a bag of fluffy orange kittens" is practically a compliment.
However... I see your Doctor Who forums and raise you IMDb message boards.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 17 mars 2011 - 04:43 .

[foam]

Suron wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...
If he is straight in one play through and not in the other and it is still cannon then we have a continuity problem. 

You do realize that not mentioning Karl or having the opportunity to have sex with a man in a particular game does not make him straight, yes? That is your assumption. You are free to assume such-- as I said, it's not mentioned much for precisely that reason -- but that does not alter reality and cause "a continuity problem".

wow for someone, in their first post, that said they were only going to chime in and "be done with it" you certainly have gone on a rather humorous defensive.

argue all you want, you're borderline trolling now.  You're resorting to veiled insults and condensending remarks.  But that's ok though isn't it...at best we'd get deleted posts and a warning..at worst..a ban.  You on the other hand? HEIL!

Surely there is nothing wrong with correcting a misunderstanding even if that wasn't something you initially planned having to do.

I'm going to assume that you don't know what trolling means. All he did was disagree and explain why in a very mature and reasonable manner. Why do you go out of your way to find fault in that?

Modifié par foam, 17 mars 2011 - 03:50 .

[foam]

Suron wrote...

oh no King Gaider it's not a punishment at all. Just apparently you think bi's and gays get pissed if someone says they're not interested in being a sheath for their swords.

I'm straight and this offended me...I'm glad I'm not bi or gay in that I'd really be upset with you. It's a disgrace. fact.

I understand why people would be annoyed by that, but not for that reason. Anders doesn't represent all gay or bisexual men. Why would you think that? Why are you choosing to be offended? It doesn't do you any good, you know. Fact.

[blacqout]

During the "final sacrifice" quest, it really seems as though my male Hawke is flirting with the Elven prostitute when he says "i can see why Ninette liked you. You're feisty." It's an automatic response, and i don't particularly like it.

I have no issue with everyone else in the world being bisexual, but it seems as though the game is saying that my Hawke is too.

[Geiyu]

Suron wrote...

wow for someone, in their first post, that said they were only going to chime in and "be done with it" you certainly have gone on a rather humorous defensive.

argue all you want, you're borderline trolling now.  You're resorting to veiled insults and condensending remarks.  But that's ok though isn't it...at best we'd get deleted posts and a warning..at worst..a ban.  You on the other hand? HEIL!

If he is trolling, you've certainly given him ample reason and opportunity to. This entire thread is a waste of bandwidth. It's just a bunch of whiners complaining that because their imaginations are malfunctioning, they can't handle the idea that someone could potentially sleep with someone else in a different play-through. I do believe the ones that are doing all the complaining can't handle a real relationship, so they have to get on here and whine about the relationships in a fantasy video game world.

I come to this conclusion because, quite honestly? Anyone you sleep with could potentially sleep with anyone else, anytime they wanted to in real life, and that's not even in an alternate dimension. I've met plenty of women and men whose significant others had NO idea they weren't straight. I think you people need to get out of this video game world, and get into the real one. I'm sure it's really hard for you haters to get out into the real world...no one likes a hater after all. But hey, your imaginations are failing you. You need to quit while your behind.

[Abispa]

YOU CAN'T BE A SIR HAWKE AND A LADY HAWKE AT THE SAME TIME!

Therefore, this really is moot since you are only one gender in a game and there is no indication (outside of Isabella) that the character was anything other than gay or straight.

[mesmerizedish]

Abispa wrote...

YOU CAN'T BE A SIR HAWKE AND A LADY HAWKE AT THE SAME TIME!

Liez! It's an RPG, I can be whatever I want to be. The game only reacts to how I present myself.

[Jimmy Fury]

blacqout wrote...

During the "final sacrifice" quest, it really seems as though my male Hawke is flirting with the Elven prostitute when he says "i can see why Ninette liked you. You're feisty." It's an automatic response, and i don't particularly like it.

I have no issue with everyone else in the world being bisexual, but it seems as though the game is saying that my Hawke is too.

Really? I mean... for really real?  You honestly consider that flirting?

wow.
just... wow.
I mean you're talking to a prositute that pouted because an old templar wouldn't sleep with him.
Relax dude. It's a joke. 


@Abispa: No but you can be Serrah (sp?) Hawke no matter what

[Alexander1136]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

 I agree with you, there should be just as many bi or gay people as there are straight. i understand bioware figured that if you make everyone bi then everybody wins, but its gross to me. not even that but as a guy your choices are lady man hands, an elf chick with tattos and a ****. i didnt really care for the companions tho so whatever, i did like bethany tho best family character ever, shame she's gone for a majority of the story.  also if people feel that they have the right to come on here and say gay isnt disgusting then we have the right to say that it makes us physically ill especially when anders and fenris hit on you.

[Dangerfoot]

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

[Fault Girl]

Alexander1136 wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

 I agree with you, there should be just as many bi or gay people as there are straight. i understand bioware figured that if you make everyone bi then everybody wins, but its gross to me. not even that but as a guy your choices are lady man hands, an elf chick with tattos and a ****. i didnt really care for the companions tho so whatever, i did like bethany tho best family character ever, shame she's gone for a majority of the story.  also if people feel that they have the right to come on here and say gay isnt disgusting then we have the right to say that it makes us physically ill especially when anders and fenris hit on you.

A couple of guys in the past have come onto my boyfriend, he never takes offense and finds it funny. I don't mind either.



Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just dont get the hate for orientation within a game, and thinking about how someone else might be sleeping with Anders as a male in somones elses fantasy. Prejudice should not punish those who have an alternative lifestyle. Why should the minority lose out due to them not having the same mentality as you? Bioware should get an applause for opening up their fanbase.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 17 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Rafe34]

Valtauran wrote...

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

but i also like Ashley Williams, her character, her struggles to get noticed in a good way in the military

If you would romance her with a female, you would defy everything you like about her. Because Ashley is a straight, religious person. It means that bi-option would partly ruin her character for your selfish idea of a game giving you pleasure of romancing her.

I have met several gay people that followed different faiths, some christians and some jewish, that is really a closed minded view you have there.

Perhaps it would be better put that Ashley comes off as a strong Christian, not merely a strong religious nut, err person. One cannot be a strong Christian and also be a lesbian- at least I don't see how. Their holy book instructs them in both old and new sections that homosexuals are either A) to be stoned or cursed by God, and not natural.

I don't see how Ashley could be bi/gay unless you first turned her away from Christianity- now THAT would be an interesting way to do a character, (and it would be an interesting persuasion attempt regardless of whether or not you wished to romance her as a female).

(As someone who recently left it myself, I'm not talking out of my ass here- no offense is intended either. I honestly don't see how it is possible. If someone on here is such a person, I'd love to know how you reconcile the differences via PM- that's part of the reason why I left, though I am straight myself, it just seemed rather hateful to me.)

Unless she really isn't as "strong" of a Christian as she appears to be.

Edit: I realized that using the word strong could be offensive here, implying that a LGBT Christian is a weak one. To clarify,  I merely mean someone who takes Christianity seriously enough that they believe their holy book is infallible.

Modifié par Rafe34, 17 mars 2011 - 06:03 .

[Clover Rider]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

I swear to god there are no worse complainers in the entire universe than those that frequent these forums.

Try Doctor Who forums :innocent:.

Where "Russel T Davies sacrified my baby to satan while eating a bag of fluffy orange kittens" is practically a compliment.
However... I see your Doctor Who forums and raise you IMDb message boards.

More like no one can get past the 10th Doctor's death:?.but you got me with IMDb=].

[mesmerizedish]

Rafe34 wrote...

Perhaps it would be better put that Ashley comes off as a strong Christian, not merely a strong religious nut, err person. One cannot be a strong Christian and also be a lesbian- at least I don't see how. Their holy book instructs them in both old and new sections that homosexuals are either A) to be stoned or cursed by God, and not natural.

I don't see how Ashley could be bi/gay unless you first turned her away from Christianity- now THAT would be an interesting way to do a character, (and it would be an interesting persuasion attempt regardless of whether or not you wished to romance her as a female).

Unless she really isn't as "strong" of a Christian as she appears to be.

Edit: I realized that using the word strong could be offensive here, implying that a LGBT Christian is a weak one. To clarify,  I merely mean someone who takes Christianity seriously enough that they believe their holy book is infallible.

Ashley could easily be anything. All we know is that she believes in God. This isn't specific to Christianity at all.

Even your edit could be considered offensive (and I'm sure you don't mean it to be; I'm just pointing it out to you, not picking a fight ) You needn't believe the Bible is infallible to take Christianity seriously. Catholics (the most numerous Christian denomination) believe that 1. Biblical stories are mostly metaphors, and 2. what the Pope says supercedes the Bible no matter what. I'm sure that the Pope takes Christianity seriously

And, as many wise people have said, if humanity is still homophobic in 2185, I'm siding with the Reapers.

[CyberNinjaSensei]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Alexander1136 wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

 I agree with you, there should be just as many bi or gay people as there are straight. i understand bioware figured that if you make everyone bi then everybody wins, but its gross to me. not even that but as a guy your choices are lady man hands, an elf chick with tattos and a ****. i didnt really care for the companions tho so whatever, i did like bethany tho best family character ever, shame she's gone for a majority of the story.  also if people feel that they have the right to come on here and say gay isnt disgusting then we have the right to say that it makes us physically ill especially when anders and fenris hit on you.

A couple of guys in the past have come onto my boyfriend, he never takes offense and finds it funny. I don't mind either.

I worked with a guy who's gay and he once told me that one of his friends called me "the mot beautiful creature ever created." I'm a confident, straight guy and, hey, a compliment is a compliment. (Even though, according to the Bible, Satan is the most beautiful creature ever created . Shang Tsung voice: Your soul. Is mine.) Unfortunately, there's not too many people, especially guys, who react like myself and your boyfriend.

Modifié par CyberNinjaSensei, 17 mars 2011 - 06:07 .

[Rafe34]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Perhaps it would be better put that Ashley comes off as a strong Christian, not merely a strong religious nut, err person. One cannot be a strong Christian and also be a lesbian- at least I don't see how. Their holy book instructs them in both old and new sections that homosexuals are either A) to be stoned or cursed by God, and not natural.

I don't see how Ashley could be bi/gay unless you first turned her away from Christianity- now THAT would be an interesting way to do a character, (and it would be an interesting persuasion attempt regardless of whether or not you wished to romance her as a female).

Unless she really isn't as "strong" of a Christian as she appears to be.

Edit: I realized that using the word strong could be offensive here, implying that a LGBT Christian is a weak one. To clarify,  I merely mean someone who takes Christianity seriously enough that they believe their holy book is infallible.

Ashley could easily be anything. All we know is that she believes in God. This isn't specific to Christianity at all.

Even your edit could be considered offensive (and I'm sure you don't mean it to be; I'm just pointing it out to you, not picking a fight ) You needn't believe the Bible is infallible to take Christianity seriously. Catholics (the most numerous Christian denomination) believe that 1. Biblical stories are mostly metaphors, and 2. what the Pope says supercedes the Bible no matter what. I'm sure that the Pope takes Christianity seriously

And, as many wise people have said, if humanity is still homophobic in 2185, I'm siding with the Reapers.

Hmm, that's what I meant by seriously enough. I mean, it flat out says to stone them to death, and then in the NT it talks about them being unnatural. 

I left a Protestant background that was extremely conservative rather recently, which I attempted to edit in, but it's not letting me. So, I completely overlooked Catholicism, (though I don't think a Catholic would think homosexuality is okay, as the Pope has explicitly said it is not), since my... "people" did not consider them to be Christians, (mostly due to the Pope having the final say over the Bible). They were nearly as bad as an atheist to most of the "Christians" I know. Knew. Worse, to some. If you can believe that. I guess it was the principle of the worst lie is the one closest to the truth, for them.

I swore that Ashley mentions something about the Bible. I guess it was more her personality that come off to me, (playing through at the time as a Christian, even), as extremely strong. Maybe it was just because no one else around her even mentioned God, and she pretty much "shoved it in your face," not in a mean way, just making sure you knew that about her.

[Arrtis]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

THe majority rarely does these days.

[mesmerizedish]

Rafe34 wrote...

Hmm, that's what I meant by seriously enough. I mean, it flat out says to stone them to death, and then in the NT it talks about them being unnatural. 

I left a Protestant background that was extremely conservative rather recently, which I attempted to edit in, but it's not letting me. So, I completely overlooked Catholicism, (though I don't think a Catholic would think homosexuality is okay, as the Pope has explicitly said it is not), since my... "people" did not consider them to be Christians, (mostly due to the Pope having the final say over the Bible). They were nearly as bad as an atheist to most of the "Christians" I know. Knew. Worse, to some. If you can believe that. I guess it was the principle of the worst lie is the one closest to the truth, for them.

I swore that Ashley mentions something about the Bible. I guess it was more her personality that come off to me, (playing through at the time as a Christian, even), as extremely strong. Maybe it was just because no one else around her even mentioned God, and she pretty much "shoved it in your face," not in a mean way, just making sure you knew that about her.

Maybe she did mention the Bible. I just only remember her mentioning that she believes in God. But Christianity's views on most everything have been liberalized in the two millenia since its inception, from usury to diet to how priests are ordained (and whether or not they can marry*). Since a lot of the more "mainstream" denominations like Methodism and Lutheranism are marrying gay couples, it's not at all unreasonable to think that even if she were a Christian, the idea of a romance with FemShep wouldn't be at all out of line (if she swung that way).




*not the best example, since priests were allowed to marry for centuries before celibacy became a requirement

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 17 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[Elite Midget]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

This is sarcasm, yes?

[JohnstonMR]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

Your post says more about your preconceptions and beliefs than it does about the game.  Sorry you're so hateful, but it really isn't Bioware's fault nor my problem.  Have a good day.

[Dangerfoot]

Elite Midget wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

This is sarcasm, yes?

NO! First they're trying to take our marriage, and then they make all of our video game characters into horny sinners!?







/sarcasm