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[Arrtis]

Elite Midget wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

This is sarcasm, yes?

Maybe not?

[Rafe34]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Poor straight people, we never catch a break.

This is sarcasm, yes?

NO! First they're trying to take our marriage, and then they make all of our video game characters into horny sinners!?







/sarcasm

I know, right? I mean, we go ahead killing things with the sword, even using blood magic to stab a staff through your chest to cast a spell, (by the way, how on earth do we not lose a **** ton of hp doing that), and people collapse in 16 million parts and a shower of blood and gore everywhere when I stab them in the back, (that actually made me laugh the first time I saw it), that's one thing.

A character being gay in someone else's playthrough? Now THAT. THAT is too far. Seriously, Bioware, wtf?

Modifié par Rafe34, 17 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[Statulos]

David Gaider wrote...

wyvvern wrote...
So I'm not seeing how it's a great leap or inference to deduce both Anders and Isabella at least are cannonically bi-sexual.

I'm not saying they could be anything-- there are a few instances (Anders and Isabela, primarily) when their past might come up. I'll point out that, with Anders, he doesn't say "I am attracted only to men" or "I am attracted to both men and women". You could decide one way or the other... perhaps if someone says a member of the opposite sex or same sex is attractive, that's enough for you? But they simply don't say where they preference lies. My point is that their actions don't change, yet some people are deciding that their inference is enough to suggest the characters alter their preferences at the player's whim.

Even if they did, I'm not sure that would be a crime. Regardless, it's not the case.

For Isabella it´s quite clear, especially after meeting her in Origins...

[hawat333]

I only had once issue with this, Female Hawke hitting on Isabela without asking for it, otherwise it was handled well, and again, thanks BioWare for the intention/tone/whatever icons.
In DA:O, at my first playthrough I couldn't stand Zevran, because I accidentaly initiated the homance with him, it was disgusting for my taste. On my second playthrough, where I watched out for that line and never clicked it, I was kinda ok with him.
Here, my FemHawke will be alone, I guess, although, from the two choices, Fenris seems to be perfectly straight according to my wife.

But yeah, I don't know, it feels strange and non-comfortable. We already knew about Isabela, but the others... they just didn't seem the type.

[Dangerfoot]

Rafe34 wrote...

I know, right? I mean, we go ahead killing things with the sword, even using blood magic to stab a staff through your chest to cast a spell, (by the way, how on earth do we not lose a **** ton of hp doing that), and people collapse in 16 million parts and a shower of blood and gore everywhere when I stab them in the back, (that actually made me laugh the first time I saw it), that's one thing.

A character being gay in someone else's playthrough? Now THAT. THAT is too far. Seriously, Bioware, wtf?

Exactly, I was appalled when I found out that the representation of a man that I bedded with wild abandon on my female character, also bedded a representation of me if I was male.

SICKENING.

I was so shocked that I played through it as a gay character and slept with Fenris out of disgust. It was awful.

[blacqout]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

blacqout wrote...

During the "final sacrifice" quest, it really seems as though my male Hawke is flirting with the Elven prostitute when he says "i can see why Ninette liked you. You're feisty." It's an automatic response, and i don't particularly like it.

I have no issue with everyone else in the world being bisexual, but it seems as though the game is saying that my Hawke is too.

Really? I mean... for really real?  You honestly consider that flirting?

wow.
just... wow.
I mean you're talking to a prositute that pouted because an old templar wouldn't sleep with him.
Relax dude. It's a joke. 


@Abispa: No but you can be Serrah (sp?) Hawke no matter what

Yes, for really real. The tone and facial expression suggested that Hawke had an interest in the guy. Flirting is often quite a subtle thing; you don't need to club someone over the head with your affections. A change of tone or a slight smile is often enough. The response wouldn't have been out of place had it been preceded by clicking on a speech option with the little heart icon.

You're clearly an expert in video game romances, but your real life knowledge is a little lacking.

Modifié par blacqout, 17 mars 2011 - 07:06 .

[Dangerfoot]

blacqout wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

blacqout wrote...

During the "final sacrifice" quest, it really seems as though my male Hawke is flirting with the Elven prostitute when he says "i can see why Ninette liked you. You're feisty." It's an automatic response, and i don't particularly like it.

I have no issue with everyone else in the world being bisexual, but it seems as though the game is saying that my Hawke is too.

Really? I mean... for really real?  You honestly consider that flirting?

wow.
just... wow.
I mean you're talking to a prositute that pouted because an old templar wouldn't sleep with him.
Relax dude. It's a joke. 


@Abispa: No but you can be Serrah (sp?) Hawke no matter what

Yes, for really real. The tone and facial expression suggested that Hawke had an interest in the guy. Flirting is often quite a subtle thing; you don't need to club someone over the head with your affections. A change of tone or a slight smile is often enough. The response wouldn't have been out of place had it been preceded by clicking on a speech option with the little heart icon.

You're clearly an expert in video game romances, but your real life knowledge is a little lacking.

I also didn't really appreciate that part on my lesbian female character. It did feel like they kind of forced my character to be flirty with him somewhat when she has no interest in little elf men.

[Ryzaki]

Well that forced smile and interested look during the Izzy quest was out of character for nearly all my Hawkes but I got over it. 

The closer reaction would be a "uh..." or a not interested. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[Dangerfoot]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well that forced smile and interested look during the Izzy quest was out of character for nearly all my Hawkes but I got over it. 

The closer reaction would be a "uh..." or a not interested. 

Yeah, same here. Even on my lesbian character I wish there had been an option to throw up in your mouth a little.

[Arrtis]

Its disgusting how people do reproductive acts without reproducing.
Your killing semi living things.

[lilliful]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well that forced smile and interested look during the Izzy quest was out of character for nearly all my Hawkes but I got over it. 

The closer reaction would be a "uh..." or a not interested.

Yeah, same here. Even on my lesbian character I wish there had been an option to throw up in your mouth a little.

I lol'ed. I wish this was a dialogue choice in half of your conversations. Priceless.

[Sjofn]

blacqout wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

blacqout wrote...

During the "final sacrifice" quest, it really seems as though my male Hawke is flirting with the Elven prostitute when he says "i can see why Ninette liked you. You're feisty." It's an automatic response, and i don't particularly like it.

I have no issue with everyone else in the world being bisexual, but it seems as though the game is saying that my Hawke is too.

Really? I mean... for really real?  You honestly consider that flirting?

wow.
just... wow.
I mean you're talking to a prositute that pouted because an old templar wouldn't sleep with him.
Relax dude. It's a joke. 


@Abispa: No but you can be Serrah (sp?) Hawke no matter what

Yes, for really real. The tone and facial expression suggested that Hawke had an interest in the guy. Flirting is often quite a subtle thing; you don't need to club someone over the head with your affections. A change of tone or a slight smile is often enough. The response wouldn't have been out of place had it been preceded by clicking on a speech option with the little heart icon.

You're clearly an expert in video game romances, but your real life knowledge is a little lacking.

I read it completely differently when my ManHawke (and my LadyHawke, too) said that. They looked amused to me, not ... not anything else. The tone was "Haha, enthusiastic prostitute, don't find those every day" not "oho, why HELLO there."

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

you do know the great thing about bisexuals is that if you're straight you can still have heterosexual relations with them right?

I do agree however it is odd how literally every romance option is bisexual, it's just so odd.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 17 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[mesmerizedish]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

you do know the great thing about bisexuals is that if you're straight you can still have heterosexual relations with them right?

No. Effing. Way.

Well, **** me twice and call it a Sunday.

[Arrtis]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

you do know the great thing about bisexuals is that if you're straight you can still have heterosexual relations with them right?

No. Effing. Way.

Well, **** me twice and call it a Sunday.

That is terrible.
Relationships in a games reflecting real life?

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Seeing as people in the Dragon Age world should count their lucky stars that they survive past 6 years of age I think it's a way to keep their options open.

[mesmerizedish]

Arrtis wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

you do know the great thing about bisexuals is that if you're straight you can still have heterosexual relations with them right?

No. Effing. Way.

Well, **** me twice and call it a Sunday.

That is terrible.
Relationships in a games reflecting real life?

...uh...

what?

[Arrtis]

Dont ask.My mind works in mysterious ways.
Im mentally ill mind you.

[fathomless33]

I think all sexual orientations should have equal options (with exception to pedophiles and necrophiliacs). However in my opinion i would rather each character be their own character, not just a sexual whiteboard waiting for me to draw on it.

I understand that to a certain extent your actions influence them, i can get behind that to a certain extent, friends and loved ones do change who you are by association. However I have a really awesome friend that is gay, it doesnt make me want to be gay.

How many of the gay people on this board chose their sexuality based off of what your coolest and closest friend chose? I would rather them be fleshed out characters that you find out about, not that set around undecided about what they are until you tell them.

Modifié par fathomless33, 17 mars 2011 - 08:40 .

[Arrtis]

I see women.I feel attracted to the pretty ones.
I see men....and nothing.
Now I know I am straight.
Sexuality isnt as much of a choice.
But people can easily work against their nature due to other peoples influence.
There are still people out there who believe sex is bad and stay a virgin their entire lives.

[Jimmy Fury]

Sjofn wrote...

blacqout wrote...Yes, for really real. The tone and facial expression suggested that Hawke had an interest in the guy. Flirting is often quite a subtle thing; you don't need to club someone over the head with your affections. A change of tone or a slight smile is often enough. The response wouldn't have been out of place had it been preceded by clicking on a speech option with the little heart icon.

You're clearly an expert in video game romances, but your real life knowledge is a little lacking.

I read it completely differently when my ManHawke (and my LadyHawke, too) said that. They looked amused to me, not ... not anything else. The tone was "Haha, enthusiastic prostitute, don't find those every day" not "oho, why HELLO there."

Well obviously Sjofn, you are wrong like me.  There is no way that line of dialogue can be humorous. NONE.
It is flirting and any other opinion means you and I have never experienced flirtation before.
Clearly blacqout is much more experienced at flirting with omnisexual elf prostitutes than... we... are?

[Shadow Wing]

I honestly can't believe this tread is still thriving...its unbelievable, look, to the TC, the most probable reason they made all the characters bi was probably to save resources and save space when creating the game, it absolutely makes no sense at all to create all new characters just to appease all the people and their preference. so they made the characters "flexible" if you are playing a male then the male NPC can be bi IF YOU WANT TO, they never mentioned that they are bi or gay except anders and isabela...they are the only two characters who said they are bi or gay, all other characters are just Hawkcentered, if you are male, then the male characters CAN BE bi but the females are straight (except isabela) and vice versa. By the way, I am a heterosexual male, and I fully believe when I romance isabela that she "loves" my character even though she is scripted as bi. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

You guys do know that the past 17 to 18 pages of arguments has been over the sexuality of a couple of electronic fictional characters that don't exist..........look, I understand that the romance part of the game is just as important to the narrrative of the story but this is just getting rediculous.

[Deztyn]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

So much more akward than talking about it with his male lover?

If you already know a guy doesn't have a problem with guy/guy relationships, yes.

If you're with a woman, who may or may not find homosexuality repulsive on principle, then yes, it could be incredibly awkward. Since it's the player's choice to imagine Hawke as either open to that possibility or against it, Anders keeping his mouth shut is really the only neutral position. Since someone who's roleplaying a gay/bi Hawke obviously doesn't mind, Anders being open about it makes more sense.

Translation: Hey, the Anders romance path isn't dysfunctional enough, here's one more thing he won't trust you with, and it's just for you ladies out there!

It's almost enough to make "Subjective Sexuality" appealing.

Hervoyl wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Anders in DA2 is a very different character from Anders in DAA. Yes, there's Justice. But the Tranquility quest gives the changes a more personal spin. Killing Karl after he's been made tranquil is horrifying either way, but personally I find it more gutwrenching to know him as Anders
first lover than as just a friend.

This is so true.  It very much changes the flavour of what happens there (at least for me) - and given that a major part of the development of nearly all of the companions is them having the opportunity to kill spouses and siblings the I'm surprised that the friend/lover distinction wouldn't have made it into the fHawke's version of Anders' story.

And bioware must have agreed or why would they have written it that way to begin with? Karl didn't need to be Anders former lover in a male game.

I'm not too thrilled with Anders being bi in general. He goes from being openly sexual without a hint of being attracted to guys in Awakenings to openly Gay/Bi in DA2 if your a male Hawke. I find that jarring for characterization reasons. But since they made the decision to make him a romance for both sexes and not just "Hawkesexual" but to have an actual storyline related to a former lover than they damn well should have had that story hook to everyone. Let the homophobes whine, they're going to do it anyway.

Modifié par Deztyn, 18 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Darth Obvious]

Kazanth wrote...

Is it that hard to pretend they're actually straight? Not trying to sound rude but I had no problem pretending whoever I was romancing was 100% homosexual because nothing in the game contradicted that if you ignore metagaming knowledge.

This.

In my first playthrough I romanced Merrill, and she seemed straight to me. So... what's the problem, OP?

You can have homosexual romances with these characters if you like, but you don't have to.

There are certainly some valid and damning criticisms to be be made of DA2, but this sexuality thing is not one of them.

[pingupower]

Shadow Wing wrote...

I honestly can't believe this tread is still thriving...its unbelievable, look, to the TC, the most probable reason they made all the characters bi was probably to save resources and save space when creating the game, it absolutely makes no sense at all to create all new characters just to appease all the people and their preference. so they made the characters "flexible" if you are playing a male then the male NPC can be bi IF YOU WANT TO, they never mentioned that they are bi or gay except anders and isabela...they are the only two characters who said they are bi or gay, all other characters are just Hawkcentered, if you are male, then the male characters CAN BE bi but the females are straight (except isabela) and vice versa. By the way, I am a heterosexual male, and I fully believe when I romance isabela that she "loves" my character even though she is scripted as bi. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

You guys do know that the past 17 to 18 pages of arguments has been over the sexuality of a couple of electronic fictional characters that don't exist..........look, I understand that the romance part of the game is just as important to the narrrative of the story but this is just getting rediculous.

QFT.


Besides remember the world depends on your hawk so if you're male females are straight, anders gay and fenris elf and isabella a syphillic wh*re. If you're female males are straight, females bi, fenris elf aand isabella a syphillic wh*re.