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[Isaidlunch]

skippy1776 wrote...

Making everyone bi seems to be the lazy way of doing it.

Why do people keep saying this? 1. There is one bisexual companion. The rest have subjective sexuality. 2. It's not laziness, it's working within their limits. The only other realistic approach is back to 1 same-sex option for each gender or none at all.

[The Minority]

They are not bisexual, they are Hawke sexual.

In my FemHawke playthrough Anders wanted the priiize... In male Hawke play through he was gay for me.

Hawke is just so irresistable isn't s/he?

[Oswin]

Personally I was excited about the potential of a massive team orgy.

The only romance option that offended me was when Sebastian randomly asked me to marry him. It was horrifying. Honestly, not even joking here. Horrifying.

[Bathead]

The only bisexual here is Isabella.

[sylvanaerie]

VenetianMask wrote...

Personally I was excited about the potential of a massive team orgy.

The only romance option that offended me was when Sebastian randomly asked me to marry him. It was horrifying. Honestly, not even joking here. Horrifying.

LOL You had to have either a bugged response or triggered his romance lines by accident. On my second playthrough i romanced Fenris (romanced Sebastian on my first).  I got the proposal on my first Hawke (as it should have been) and he called me a good friend (no overtures) on my second playthrough.
As I posted elsewhere, its Anders trying to get into my Hawke's pants that pissed me off.  Guy barely knows Hawke and already trying to put the moves on him/her.  And if you tell him 'no' he acts like an immature boy and gets all pissy with you.  BAH!
I ignore him in the first act mostly.  He's conversable in the second.

[frylock23]

Seriously? As a heterosexual, I instinctively feel a bit digusted by the idea of sex with a person of the same gender. I don't care if you're gay or bi, but that doesn't change my instincts. I can choose to ignore my instinct, but that doesn't make it go away. I'm sorry if that knowledge offends people, but that doesn't change the fact that the instinct is there. Humans are a species that reporduces sexually meaning that for most folks, the urge is to mate with a person of the opposite sex. That such folks may find the idea of mating with a person of the same sex to be off-putting/disgusting is simply human nature. We, as a society are seriously screwed up when it comes to the ideas of tolerance v. acceptance.

As to the romances, I don't mind that some are bi, and I can play them as straight. But, I do think that there should be some straight-straight and straight-gay options rather than options that can play either way no matter what. It's just realistic to run into the realization that there are some people in life that aren't who or what we'd like them to be. Anders may be cute, but if they had decided to make him straight-gay, I would've settled for someone else and relegated my deep dark Anders fantasy to the world of fanfic while playing his friend.

[Babi]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

My perception of this is that you're inherently insecure and need to be reassured that [you or] your Hawke is the preferred gender to x or y character. 

I mean... Who cares if the romance options are straight or gay based on your character's gender? It's not like they're going to run out at night and cheat on Hawke with the opposite gender... lawl. 

[Geiyu]

Hawksblud wrote...

I was ecstatic that everyone was bisexual.

Nice little siggy down there. Fight for the love indeed.

[Oswin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

VenetianMask wrote...

Personally I was excited about the potential of a massive team orgy.

The only romance option that offended me was when Sebastian randomly asked me to marry him. It was horrifying. Honestly, not even joking here. Horrifying.

LOL You had to have either a bugged response or triggered his romance lines by accident. On my second playthrough i romanced Fenris (romanced Sebastian on my first).  I got the proposal on my first Hawke (as it should have been) and he called me a good friend (no overtures) on my second playthrough.
As I posted elsewhere, its Anders trying to get into my Hawke's pants that pissed me off.  Guy barely knows Hawke and already trying to put the moves on him/her.  And if you tell him 'no' he acts like an immature boy and gets all pissy with you.  BAH!
I ignore him in the first act mostly.  He's conversable in the second.

I must have flirted with him on one occasion in Act 2 and completely wiped it from my mind. As far as I knew it was Fenris and only Fenris so I was genuinely scared when Sebastian launched at me with talk of weddings. 
It was probably very romantic if you liked him but in my mind it played out like he was a drooling madman trying to convert me to the chantry. The horror.

[Raiil]

OP, I'm crying for you. Really. The cruel oppression of our gay overlords has gone too far. PCness has infected our vidja games, and since Bioware tied you to a chair, put a gun to your head, and forced you to sit through this bisexual-filled romp of a game, you should feel sickened and and screwed. Really. I know Bioware forced me to purchase the game, but luckily since I offered David Gaider a plate of brownies and my soul, they let me play as a girl to romance Anders. No cooties here!


Seriously, you're not being screwed. You're not being forced to do anything. It's not a life or death situation wherein being able to get +happy responses at every term is going to affect your quality of life. There is no where in the world that guarentees that everything is going to work out the way you see fit. If it bothers you that much, tell them with your wallet.

[lx_theo]

lx_theo wrote...

I'd like to point out that many of the romances are obviously designed to be done by straight romance doers. Some things didn't make the greatest sense the other way around.

Lets just say thats probably a fair enough trade off.

Really, no one? Okay, I'll be going then.

[metalcraze33]

I think the dragon age games are epic for having bi and gay relationships.
I am a female that likes to play male characters so it sort of works for me.
I am so tired of games that have only straight characters. people are gay bi or just fun and freaky irl why shouldn't it be that way in an rpg?

[LT123]

[quote]VenetianMask wrote...

[quote]sylvanaerie wrote...

[quote]VenetianMask wrote...

*snipe*

I must have flirted with him on one occasion in Act 2 and completely wiped it from my mind. As far as I knew it was Fenris and only Fenris so I was genuinely scared when Sebastian launched at me with talk of weddings. 
It was probably very romantic if you liked him but in my mind it played out like he was a drooling madman trying to convert me to the chantry. The horror.

[/quote]

Did you pick the first flirt line to get the hilarious response? He goes from being totally baffled to "I need to go pray. A lot."

And that would be very creepy. I was romancing him on purpose and it was still kind of weird. I'm sitting there going "Uh, can I at least get a hug, first? Maybe? No?"

[tanerb123]

isabella and merill were both really bad options, in two extremes. I think we should have at least one more, if possible aveline.

[jlb524]

ZOMG, gay romances got screwed too!

WHY MAKER WHY

[Maria Caliban]

Kazanth wrote...
1. There is one bisexual companion. The rest have subjective sexuality.

Can I ask what evidence you have this is true? I've seen one post by David saying that he prefers subjective sexuality to everyone being bisexual, but I haven't read anything stating this is the case with all the romances.

David wrote one character, Isabela is openly bisexual, and Mary and Jenifer have never commented on the matter. Anders *did* talk about his attraction to women in DA:A, which makes his being a gay man in DA 2 a bit silly.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[Oswin]

LT123 wrote...

Did you pick the first flirt line to get the hilarious response? He goes from being totally baffled to "I need to go pray. A lot."

And that would be very creepy. I was romancing him on purpose and it was still kind of weird. I'm sitting there going "Uh, can I at least get a hug, first? Maybe? No?"

Yes! I remember now, because it did crack me when he went all embarrased. Ah that will explain it. But wow, not even dinner first? Poor man has been deprived in the Chantry too long.

[Maria Caliban]

lx_theo wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I'd like to point out that many of the romances are obviously designed to be done by straight romance doers. Some things didn't make the greatest sense the other way around.

Lets just say thats probably a fair enough trade off.

Really, no one? Okay, I'll be going then.

I think that many of the romances are obviously designed to be done by female, bisexual rogue/archery Hawke who sides with the mages.

I will offer no evidence in support of my idea, but if you don't acknowledge it, I'm going to get huffy with the thread.

[Geiyu]

jlb524 wrote...

ZOMG, gay romances got screwed too!

WHY MAKER WHY

Andraste's dimpled butt cheeks! You're right! It's going to create an infinite paradox of doom, where everyone falls into a hell of sexual orgies, and suffering! Wait...that sounds pretty exciting, sign me up.

[Jimmy Fury]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kazanth wrote...
1. There is one bisexual companion. The rest have subjective sexuality.

Can I ask what evidence you have this is true? I've seen one post by David saying that he prefers subjective sexuality to everyone being bisexual, but I haven't read anything stating this is the case with all the romances.

David wrote one character, Isabela is openly bisexual, and Mary and Jenifer have never commented on the matter. Anders *did* talk about his attraction to women in DA:A, which makes his being a gay man in DA 2 a bit silly.

You don't really need a dev to confirm something that you can see yourself though do you?
Subjective sexuality is based on the lack of evidence. That's how it can exist.

If you play LadyHawke for example, your choices and interpretation determine whether Merrill is straight, bi, or a lesbian. She never says one way or another which means there can be no evidence one way or another. It's up to you to determine that.
If you never flirt with her, she never flirts back. Without that interaction she has no sexuality.
Without any concrete indicators of sexuality it can be whatever anyone wants it to be.
A dev doesn't have to say that's the case because that is the case.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 16 mars 2011 - 04:37 .

[fathomless33]

so lets summarize.

If you like gay sex you are a forward thinking progressive.

If you do not like gay sex you are backwards homophobe.

Nice, for a group of people fighting for equality they are sure quick to condemn. Its funny that everyone should be open to your sexuality, but you are unable to take people not caring for it. The fact that you can get on a forum and post that its great and bash people that say otherwise would seem to indicate you would be open to people posting that its not great (even though they are not bashing you)

kind of funny how that works. I am proud to be a heterosexual. Do i detest homosexuals, of course not, people all have choice. Do i detest gay sex, of course, it truly is disgusting in my mind. If you think that you dont have choice and you were born as a homosexual then you have no place condemning people that were born the other way for their thoughts or feelings.

Anyways, in the game it truly is weird, i wish they did have a check box. I am not too hip on how homosexuality works, but i know that if i met a new person started running around and having adventures with them, it would be weird if they started flirting with me until i dictated they stopped it, then to take it further if they got pissed off at me for refusing their advance, thats pretty much game over for friendship as well probably. (of course in real life we dont have a fun friend/rival system to monitor things!)

Why is gay sex so progressive anyway, its been around since the beginning of time, in many civilizations it has been present, hell the catholic church has been around forever it seems. (yea thats a cheap shot, but funny.)

Back in the day people were people, some of those people had sex with same sex partners some did not, in todays age it seems that homosexuals completely define themselves by what gender they have sex with. I know as a heterosexual i do not wear ribbons, or put colorful stickers on my car to show that i like vag. I dont go to special straight parades and dress up in colorful costumes to celebrate what i like to screw.

Blast away at my opinion, i know that i am only entitled to have and voice an opinion as long as you agree with it.

[Icy Magebane]

That was brave fathomless... well said.

[Isaidlunch]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kazanth wrote...
1. There is one bisexual companion. The rest have subjective sexuality.

Can I ask what evidence you have this is true? I've seen one post by David saying that he prefers subjective sexuality to everyone being bisexual, but I haven't read anything stating this is the case with all the romances.

David wrote one character, Isabela is openly bisexual, and Mary and Jenifer have never commented on the matter. Anders *did* talk about his attraction to women in DA:A, which makes his being a gay man in DA 2 a bit silly.

You're right. My point still stands that you can pretend Fenris + Merrill are the orientation you want them to be while romancing them and the game won't contradict it. After seeing some of the Anders flirting scenes, namely the one where he talks about loving a person not a body, I can't really call him subjective either.

[Erev Lace]

Interesting ... I haven't completed the game yet, but I'm in a straight romance with Fenris. I'm not bothered at all by the 'universal bisexuality'. I think it's awesome that people can pair their Hawke with anyone they wish.

[Auroras]

@fathomless: Hm. Good one... I think that gay sex is considered 'progressive', simply because for so long it was thought of as taboo, and only now are people beginning to accept it.

On a different topic, idk. I'm a bisexual female that prefers men, but I get angry when people bash people who love who they love. 

I'm sure none of you intended to do that, but I think that if people (including myself) put a little more thought in to what they were posting and how offensive it may or may not be to another person, we would avoid this sort of mass argument in the first place.

But of course, this is a forum. So, nope, not gonna happen. But it never hurts to try, yes?

I apologize to whomever I have offended, however, I do not apologize for speaking what I feel is right.

Wow. That was somewhat deep... and I get off topic. Again.