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[sgreco1970]

fathomless33 wrote...

so lets summarize.

If you like gay sex you are a forward thinking progressive.

If you do not like gay sex you are backwards homophobe.
 

Well, perhaps in your opinion. Here's mine.

If you accept a game that allows you to be who you want to be, you're a  forward thinking progressive.

If you rail against that freedom and insist everyone must be straight just because you are then you are backwards homophobe.

The OP's point was that when he played female hawke he couldn't accept having a straight relationship with Anders because, were he to play a male Hawke, anders would be willing to have a gay relationship with him. That utterly boggles the mind. Its rather like saying you are disgusted by apple pie because, potentially, other people might bake and enjoy their own apple pies. I say, eat your own pie and enjoy it and leave everyone else alone.

But, if you want to twist that into "we call anyone with a different opinion names, " heck that's your choice. While you're at it, you can feel free to imagine a 50 foot clown is eating your hometown. it will be just as insightful and true.

[Lumenadducere]

I think having everyone be open to either gender is a plus. It lets you have your characters romance who you want them to without having to worry about whether it'll work out or not. The only thing I disliked was that when Anders does express interest the only exit is via gaining rivalry points - and he's pretty upset about it. I'd rather not have rivalry points just because I made my Hawke a nice guy. I haven't yet begun my second playthrough where Hawke isn't romancing Isabella so I don't know how she's going to react to a rejection, but if it's the same way I'll be disappointed.

[TexasToast712]

sgreco1970 wrote...

fathomless33 wrote...

so lets summarize.

If you like gay sex you are a forward thinking progressive.

If you do not like gay sex you are backwards homophobe.
 

Well, perhaps in your opinion. Here's mine.

If you accept a game that allows you to be who you want to be, you're a  forward thinking progressive.

If you rail against that freedom and insist everyone must be straight just because you are then you are backwards homophobe.

The OP's point was that when he played female hawke he couldn't accept having a straight relationship with Anders because, were he to play a male Hawke, anders would be willing to have a gay relationship with him. That utterly boggles the mind. Its rather like saying you are disgusted by apple pie because, potentially, other people might bake and enjoy their own apple pies. I say, eat your own pie and enjoy it and leave everyone else alone.

But, if you want to twist that into "we call anyone with a different opinion names, " heck that's your choice. While you're at it, you can feel free to imagine a 50 foot clown is eating your hometown. it will be just as insightful and true.

BY GEORGE, THIS GUY'S GOT IT!

You hit the nail on the head.

[Rocambole4]

Every DA2 "universe" is unique, since EVERYONE is hawke. That said, in one's universe a character can be bissexual, while the same character can be straight in your version of the universe (specially because you'll not try to start an homosexual relationship with that char since "your" hawke is not of that gender).

Kinda sap post by the OP if you ask me.

[Arrtis]

Hay Julay wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
Christ, you people make it sound like he's tying himself to your bed and smothering himself with whipped cream in an attempt to seduce your Hawke.

This... would not be a bad thing.

I wouldnt want anyone doing that.....on my bed....just wierd imo.

[Raiil]

Hay Julay wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
Christ, you people make it sound like he's tying himself to your bed and smothering himself with whipped cream in an attempt to seduce your Hawke.

This... would not be a bad thing.

I'm lactose intolerant.

[KezzieZ]

I don't see why it should matter that the characters are bi. I mean, sometimes the flirt options can encroach a bit if you're nice to the characters, but I don't see why you think it's "disgusting" that the characters have the potential to be romanced either way. The only character that seems to "flaunt" the idea of being bi is Isabela.

[DarthSliver]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

Well dont hit the Heart option of the conversation jeez 

[zahra]

OP, you're missing the point.

If I find eating fried pork disgusting, that does not mean that I find people who eat it disgusting. This is true.

But homosexuality is an identity, its not just about what you put your thingy in. To condemn it as "disgusting" is an insult to the person directly, for instance if I said "I find red hair disgusting" it would be severely offensive to ginger people (an oft-marginalized race). What you eat is separate from what you are as a person, whilst your sexual preference is an integral part of who you are.

So yes, using the term "disgusting" is severely offensive, and you should spank yourself in a severe manner. You are hereby punished with an eternity of videogame STDs (courtesy of Isabela).

[Phex]

The way I take it is that the LI is ONLY bi/gay if your bi/gay Hawke romances them. If you have a straight romance with them, no where in the game there's even a hint about for example Anders liking the menfolk. Being bisexual is not part of their character unlike it was in the case of Leliana and Zevran. BioWare simply gave us the option by making everyone open to both genders and avoiding any dialogue concerning the sexual orientation of your companions.

If I didn't know better I would say everyone is straight because it's not mentioned anywhere that they actually do swing both ways. My femHawke can flirt with everyone, even Aveline even though she's clearly straight. Having the heart option doesn't automatically mean that character is gay, but to make content available to as many as possible, BW made them all bi. That's what I think anyway. To be honest I would have preferred BW to make characters have defined personalities, some straight, some bi. I liked Zevran in Origins because he was open about his sexuality and it was a part of who he is, not a convenient part of game design.

[Fennel]

mrsph wrote...

Somehow, I think all of these complaints wouldn't be here if it were just female S/S romances.

Yay, double standards!

Nah. Guys also tend to whine about F/F romances that don't include guys in some form. Women not needing men is OMGHORRIBLE for most of them.

See, oh, every game ever that offers F/F without a M/F/F option. Every. Single. One.

Well dont hit the Heart option of the conversation jeez

But that's so harrrrrrrrrrddddddddd!!!

Modifié par Fennel, 16 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[Mitridathes]

I think there is alot of hate going on in this conversation, and alot of it is going towards people that dont like same sex romances.

The OP could probably have been cleare in what he or she were trying to say, but there is still a kind of valid point in what the post were trying to say.

I am personally a straight guy. I have a couple of gay friends and they are friends just as any of my straight friends are, no difference there. But since my personal preference is sex with a woman, I dont want to watch same sex intercourse, because I would find it, maybe not disgusting since its a very strong word, but very very not to my liking.

This is nothing against any one, I simply would rather avoid it, just like I would rather avoid being hit on by a guy. Simply because its very much not to my liking. And I would like to be able to avoid this in both real life, and in the game I play for relaxation and fun.

As the game is atm, I cant do that... Anders hit on my straight male hawke no matter what I do.. and since I prefer to play a nice and friendly hawke, just as I try to be as friendly and nice as possible in real life, then it irritate me quite alot that I either have to flirt with him, a thing I dont want, or get rivalry points, a thing I dont want either..

Its the same problem when you give Fenris his 2nd gift, I simply have to flirt or get rivalry points, and I find that a bad design choice.. Not because fenris have the option of being a same sex romance option, but because I as a straight guy cant give the gift and get friendship points, without flirting.

I really liked having Anders in my group for awakening, simply because he were a fun, great character, and a good healer.. but that have been robbed from me in DA2 simply because in act 1 he whine to no end about being turned down, and when I got to act 2, then the character had been ruined for me by his previous behavior.

I dont really have the problem with seeing each playtrough differently and "forgetting" that the companions have a bi-option that I just chose not to use, thats not my problem.. the problem is that at 2 options to gain friendship points, I either have to flirt, or gain rivalry points.

Then there is the argument that "yes but us gay people have had to live with only heterosexual companions for a very long time". And I agree that is just as bad, but you dont solve unequality by tipping the scales all the other way.. but by balancing it in the middle..

Even though this conversation have the option of going up in flames quite fast, I must say its good food for thought

Modifié par Mitridathes, 16 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[Shadow Wing]

I'm gonna go out of topic here and just ask, why is everybody hatin' on isabela?  With all the nasty jokes..well she probably deserve it but i like isabela...but anyway just wanted to say that if you think about it, in terms of the romance, isabela is actually the harder one to get and in a way gets a deeper relationship... and i mean relationship not just getting laid...because of her uh "character" she doesn't do relationships so you have to be more persistent unlike the other characters where you do something nice and they go "ooohhhh he/she likes me" and then BAM, bubble gum love...you actually have to work a bit harder at the isabela romance which is why you can only get the romance achievement for isabela at the very end of the game after the whole story......anyway, continue your arguments.

[Dicky Damage]

dude playing female hawke here... um, i tried my hardest to do merill, i really, REALLY, did, but shes straight.. i buttered her up fairly well (mmm butter), shes 100% friend status, and shes just not taking the bait.

and on a side note, even if ure a male hawke, u cant bone ur sister. whats up with that, huh?! what is she, a lesbo? GEEWHIZ! GOLLY! its just disgusting that i cant do my ingame sister on account for her obvious desire for other females! shame bioware, SHAME!

[Annie_Dear]

I don't care if they're bi, Fenris is still one handsome and badass mofo, and that's all I care about. I'd romance him any day.

Also, Anders is only bi if you're playing a male Hawke.

[Maria Caliban]

Mitridathes wrote...

I think there is alot of hate going on in this conversation, and alot of it is going towards people that dont like same sex romances.

It has nothing to do with whether you like same-sex romances. I don't like opposite-sex romances.

Yet I have not started any threads about how disgusting Anders is for flirting with my PC. I've never complained about BioWare forcing straightness on me because Alistiar gave me a rose or Zevran offered the Warden an internal message.

A male character who is attracted to the PC ought to act that out in a way appropriate to that character.

Dicky Damage wrote...

dude playing female hawke here... um, i tried my hardest to do merill, i really, REALLY, did, but shes straight.. i buttered her up fairly well (mmm butter), shes 100% friend status, and shes just not taking the bait.

My female Hawke had no problem starting a relationship with Merrill.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[Mitridathes]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mitridathes wrote...

I think there is alot of hate going on in this conversation, and alot of it is going towards people that dont like same sex romances.

It has nothing to do with whether you like same-sex romances. I don't like opposite-sex romances.

Yet I have not started any threads about how disgusting Anders is for flirting with my PC. I've never complained about BioWare forcing straightness on me because Alistiar gave me a rose or Zevran offered the Warden an internal message.

A male character who is attracted to the PC ought to act that out in a way appropriate to that character.

I think the point is, at least the one I see, that you are free to feel that way and have that oppinion, I can disagree with you, and being who I am, I do, but I wont go out of my way to call you a number of rather bad names, like some one are doing abit to the OP.

These are forums for the game Dragon age 2, and since we are all fans, we have an oppinion, and since forums are a place to share oppinions, hopefully in a civil manner, then I dont see anything wrong with starting a post about subjects like this and many other game relevant topics.

And as such I am not really against the fact that both anders and fenris come on to the character. If thats the character that Bioware made, then so be it.

What I dislike so much is that I dont have the choice to say no without getting a large penalty. In this case the penalty is Rivalry points.

Alot of the debate goes on about choice. And thats fine, the more choices we have the better, both for you that dislike opposite sex romances in game, and me that dislike having same sex romances stuffed into my face. But in this situation I am unable to play the Hawke I have made, a friendly and helpful hawke, simply because I dont have the option to say "no thank you.. I am not interested" without getting slapped with Rivalry points.

For me there would have been no problem if they had simply added a "damn you suck and im not ever gonna touch you with a 10 meter long pole" comment that gave Rivalry points, and a "ahh no thank you anders" option that gave friendship points, or no points at all for that matter.

The problem is that by locking the option into what they did, Bioware gave you choices that you can live with, and thats fine, but at the same time, they locked me out of mine, and I dislike that.

[Carfax]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

There's also the problem of something like 70% of the population having at least 1 same-sex sexual encounter in their life time. Oh and the studies that show over 50% of self-defined gay men have not had sex with another man.
And don't even get me started on the strictly heterosexual couples who purchase... toys... that mimic gay sex while being totally straight because she's still a lady no matter how big her.... Anyway it's the act that counts right so those guys are out too.

It must be very confusing for you to try to date....

Why do gays and gay supporters always lie and use false statistics to make their case more convincing?

And for the record, Dragon Age 2 should be changed to Dragon Gay 2

[styx971]

Captain Cornhole wrote...


Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

after i read this i was like  ya know  there right theres not 1 straight person in the game  not that i care really since whatever floats your boat least you got a fair chance at someone  but its odd the same i mean not every person in the world is bi  and if i were hit on by a chick i'd be like get the hell away wich yes thats happened to me irl lol so its weird in a game too  leat in origins there was both  

 n yeah sebastian is straight sure  but 1 hes dlc and 2 weres the female counter part

[Dangerfoot]

Good lord, people. They are just video game characters, you don't have to marry them in real life. So please stop freaking out about the fact that they have pressed their naughty bits against identical naughty bits, or that they would if given the chance.

[Mitridathes]

Coming to a forum about a videogame and telling people to stop talking about something that happens in said videogame, because its just a videogame.. well.. its abit pointless...

[Arrtis]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Good lord, people. They are just video game characters, you don't have to marry them in real life. So please stop freaking out about the fact that they have pressed their naughty bits against identical naughty bits, or that they would if given the chance.

But its so terrible that Bioware makes their characters into sex dolls now.Bending over for anyone.Terrible I tells ya!
We cant dress them but now anyone can romance them.....Odd change.

[skippy1776]

Seems like you can't disagree with anyone with out someone being offended by it.

[blacqout]

How many companions flirt with characters that are not your Hawke? I've only come across the one instance with Isabela, and her overtness in this area is a big part of her character.

I'm finding it hard to believe that Anders will come on to any NPC you encounter throughout the game... so for all intents and purposes, in your universe he is straight. Nothing will happen in your game to suggest otherwise.

[Rhys1984]

YOU know that BI is the option, its about the RP of it, your character isn't tagging up with your opposite sex character and saying hey, that Anders, he totally banged both of us, what a fruit.