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[Dangerfoot]

skippy1776 wrote...

Seems like you can't disagree with anyone with out someone being offended by it.

The OP didn't "disagree", he pretty much called homosexuality disgusting.

Anyone who doesn't want homosexual romance in their game can ignore those parts of the game, it is 100% possible. It's no one's fault but your own if you can't stop thinking about your video game boyfriend being attracted to the male version of you that could have existed. Seriously, what a silly thing to make a big deal about.

And the people in here playing victim because people reacted to the OP calling homosexuality disgusting... (sigh)

Modifié par Dangerfoot, 16 mars 2011 - 12:31 .

[Hobosapien]

These games are about options, I want as many as possible. I don't use the m/m option but I'm glad it's there for people who will.

[NarcissaArtois]

You're not looking at it right. Think of each playthrough as its own unique story. In YOUR story Fenris is straight...straight as a freakin nail. In someone else's story he may swing both ways OR prefer guys only (except for Isabela of course...she is 100% bi). This can apply to all characters.
That is the beauty of BIOWARE. Its so customizable to each person who plays.

[Arrtis]

remember varric made it all uP!
no one knows if hes lying or not...

[Arrtis]

Rhys1984 wrote...

YOU know that BI is the option, its about the RP of it, your character isn't tagging up with your opposite sex character and saying hey, that Anders, he totally banged both of us, what a fruit.

If you play multiple play throughs it destroys the RP aspect.

[Sjofn]

At no point in my LadyHawke playthrough did Anders or Fenris imply they like men. It's not like Zevran, who very openly proclaimed his bi-ness (which didn't bother me, why would it?). I didn't actually realise they could both be romanced by my DudeHawke until I actually tried.

I'm also apparently doing something wrong, because Anders and Fenris didn't flirt with me at all until I flirted with them as my dude. Alas!

EDIT: Also, I seriously don't see the big damn deal about getting some rivalry points for turning Anders down. People don't like being rejected, it makes perfect sense he'd frowny face about it (just like all the DA:O LIs did. I broke up with Leliana about a million times because she kept ninjamancing me, in fact.). Anders is *extremely* easy to get to max friendship if you really want to, 15-25 rivalry is not going to break anything.

Modifié par Sjofn, 16 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sjofn wrote...

At no point in my LadyHawke playthrough did Anders or Fenris imply they like men. It's not like Zevran, who very openly proclaimed his bi-ness (which didn't bother me, why would it?). I didn't actually realise they could both be romanced by my DudeHawke until I actually tried.

I'm also apparently doing something wrong, because Anders and Fenris didn't flirt with me at all until I flirted with them as my dude. Alas!

I wish I had that problem cause Anders tried to initiate something in that first talk after Karl and I had to put him down quickly cause my MaleHawke didn't swing that way. Anders threw a hissy fit.
That first convo no matter your gender he's sniffing around getting in your robes/armor, so to speak, regardless of gender.  I was more upset by that and his immature reaction to being told 'no' than the fact that he could be bi/gay/straight.

[Arrtis]

Is it possible to have something against bis?
But no hom or str?

[Sjofn]

By the way ...

Valentia X wrote...
If you shut him down the first time he tries, it won't come back up again constantly. Christ, you people make it sound like he's tying himself to your bed and smothering himself with whipped cream in an attempt to seduce your Hawke.

I would install that mod.





What?

[Mitridathes]

Hmmm, I am pretty sure that one of the very first conversations you have with Anders after you have helped him with his friend is a rather strong flirt. Rather along the lines of "Hey I have some rather sexy thoughts about you!". And there is only 3 options, one and two is flirting (heart icon) and the third is "no thx" with a broken heart icon..

So you have the choice of either flirting or gaining rivalry points.. And when you play a kind and friendly hawke, like I do on my first playtrough, then its rather irritating to not have an option to say no to flirting without getting "minus" friendship points.

If I remember correct its pretty much the same when you give Fenris his 2nd gift, you can either flirt or get rivalry points.. Granted I can just not give him the gift.. but still I really think we lack the option of being able to pass on flirting without being forced down the rival path.

Beside this I am all for giving the player as many choices as possible, the more the merrier.
And I think the OP is getting alot of undeserved flame because of how he wrote his or her post.

I get the impression that he or she have nothing against people that are same sex oriented.. but he would very much avoid having the actual thing right in the face.
The use of the word "disgusting" were probably not very smart though

As mentioned earlier, I feel abit the same.. I have nothing against gay people, but I would prefer to avoid having their different interactions thrown in my face..

But at least as I see it, this is no worse than one of my vegetarian friends finding it disgusting that I eat meat.. we disagree on this.. I dont eat meat right in her face, and we are no worse friends for that reason.

I might be rambling abit, been a long day already

[uncledolan]

This thread is hilarious

[M8DMAN]

I wish that Bioware had tested the new romance system better. I didn't like Getting hit on by Anders.

What's worse is there isn't anyway to let him down easy.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 16 mars 2011 - 01:53 .

[Sjofn]

Perhaps my issue is that I am perfectly happy to hit a flirt option if the summary sounds like something my Hawke would say, even if I'm not interested in persuing a relationship with the person. I flirted with Merril in my first conversation with her on my LadyHawke for that reason, but it never went anywhere because I simply didn't flirt with her ever again. It's entirely possible to flirt with characters occassionally and still not get together with them.

Another factor is probably the whole "I am a woman and have been hit on by dudes I was not interested in even a teeny tiny bit and managed to live to tell the tale" thing. I notice an awful lot of dudes do not have the lifeskill of "not giving a crap" when someone they don't want to hit on them does so. Blame the patriarchy!

[Hellosanta]

sylvanaerie wrote...

The bisexuality is only in place to ensure the player will enjoy the romance regardless of how they want to play it. If you romance Merrill with a female then for that game she is gay. Next time you play a male and romance her, she's straight in that 'reality'.
Frankly I was more upset that I couldn't just talk to Anders, he starts in hitting on you and if you tell him 'no' he gets all pissy and throws a hissy fit. He's too damn touchy. I would have prefered either an option to lock him into 'friend' zone or for him to not get all pissy with my Hawke just because he/she isn't interested.

That's odd. It seems like many people are struggling in remaining as his friend. I've just finished my 2nd playthrough, and I'm always in 100% friendship with Anders.

[M8DMAN]

Sjofn wrote...

Perhaps my issue is that I am perfectly happy to hit a flirt option if the summary sounds like something my Hawke would say, even if I'm not interested in persuing a relationship with the person. I flirted with Merril in my first conversation with her on my LadyHawke for that reason, but it never went anywhere because I simply didn't flirt with her ever again. It's entirely possible to flirt with characters occassionally and still not get together with them.

Another factor is probably the whole "I am a woman and have been hit on by dudes I was not interested in even a teeny tiny bit and managed to live to tell the tale" thing. I notice an awful lot of dudes do not have the lifeskill of "not giving a crap" when someone they don't want to hit on them does so. Blame the patriarchy!

I don't care that Anders hit on my male Hawke. What bugs me is that you can't turn him down easy.

There should have been a "I'm flattered but I dont swing that way response" instead you get a "EWWW IM NOT GAY" response.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 16 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[RazorrX]

For me I don't care one way or the other, just wish when you do tell the character (male or female) NO that they get it through their heads. Had to tell Fenris a couple times so far (got me rival points so that is good i guess).

Anders I would not know about, I avoid him as much as possible.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Tleining wrote...

"not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means."
"Bottomline it is disgusting"


in my game, Anders and Fenris are Straight and Merril a Lesbian. *shrug*
ah, the Power of Imagination

If Anders was straight he would not have started flirting with my male Hawke 20 minutes after meeting him. So no, Anders is not straight, and rejecting him results in rivaly points. Fenris is also not straight, because you romance him. Which makes him bi sexual, I suppose. I never cared much for Fenris, because after a while his emo brooding attitude got on my nerves.

There aren't any "straight" characters, because you can romance any of them, no matter what sex Hawke is. If you don't romance the guys when you're a guy, them I suppose you could make the argument that they're "straight," but it wouldn't hold up well. 

[sylvanaerie]

Hellosanta wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

The bisexuality is only in place to ensure the player will enjoy the romance regardless of how they want to play it. If you romance Merrill with a female then for that game she is gay. Next time you play a male and romance her, she's straight in that 'reality'.
Frankly I was more upset that I couldn't just talk to Anders, he starts in hitting on you and if you tell him 'no' he gets all pissy and throws a hissy fit. He's too damn touchy. I would have prefered either an option to lock him into 'friend' zone or for him to not get all pissy with my Hawke just because he/she isn't interested.

That's odd. It seems like many people are struggling in remaining as his friend. I've just finished my 2nd playthrough, and I'm always in 100% friendship with Anders.

It wasn't an issue of him being a friend, I got to 100 friendship with him as well, it's how 20 mins after meeting your Hawke he's hitting on you and there are no options to gently turn him down and tell him "I'd rather just be friends" so he reacts very poorly to it.
Hell Zevran flirts as he's tied up on the ground waiting to possibly die but that's Zevran.  He won't open a discussion about anything more than friendship till the Warden and he reach 26 approval.  This is after several conversations.  And then if he is told "no I'd rather just be friends" he doesn't act like a baby when you reject his overture.
Perhaps I am blaming the character when the conversation system is more at fault. You only get like 2-3 convos per act with each of the companions (except Varric and Aveline) and the writers are assuming you have more of a connection because of playing Awakenings but if anything I hated Anders in DA2, whereas is DAO:A, he was my second favorite companion.
I just found Anders a lot more touchy and pissy in DA2 than I did in Awakenings.  And yes, I know its his circumstances that did it to him but damn, man, when someone says no, don't get your panties in a wad, just accept it and move on.  It wasn't even that he hit on my male mage because I found his actions as offensive on my female, perhaps even moreso.
"Hey, I'm a hot demon possessed mage, wanna have sex?"  "Umm...no"  "FINE!  Take my damn maps, we'll keep this on a business level then!" 

[LelianaNeverLovedMe]

I think everyone gets rivalry points when they turn Anders down, no? My female Hawke did. I still had him at 100% friendship by the end though. It really wasn't a big deal as there are plenty of chances to rebuild the friendship throughout the game. I didn't feel traumatized over an unwanted pass at me. That happens all the time in the "real world," you just turn the person down. Oh, the horror!

[Frybread76]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

No seriously for those of us who like straight romaces we all got screwed over big time. Before I go any further let me clarify this is not a condemnation of homosexuality or bisexuality by any means.

Now sure your Hawke is female you can romance Anders or what have you, but it isn't a truely straight romance. Every romance option is bi, and it's just not the same knowing Anders or Fenris will flirt with male Hawke just as much.

Bottomline it is disgusting and I'm a tad upset there is not a single straight person in the game, and frankly there isn't anyone that I want to romance because of it. It's a shame really. 

I may be wrong, but the only bisexual character storywise is Isabela.  She mentions having sexy times with men and women whether your character is straight, gay, bisexual, male or female.

Merrill and Anders are either straight or gay -- depending on your character -- and the DLC knight dude is straight.

[Bathead]

Yeah, it all depends on what sex your Hawke is. If you have a manHawke and you turn down Anders, you take a rivalry hit, if you're a femHawke and you turn down Anders you take a rivalry hit. It's all a matter of context. The only out and out bisexual is Isabela. The rest are either gay or straight, depending entirely on what sex your Hawke is. There is no inherent advantage/disadvantage to being gay or straight in how you approach Hawke's reactions to his potential LI's.

[hismastersvoice]

uncledolan wrote...

This thread is hilarious

As much as the fact just about everyone in DA2 seem to be bisexual? I mean, I get the design reasons for that, but it's just... well, hilarious.

[LelianaNeverLovedMe]

So, since everyone, male or female Hawke, not interested in an Anders romance is equally penalized for shooting him down, there's really not an issue then. Anders is just oversensitive, but he's oversensitive to everyone equally.

Modifié par darthtater10, 16 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[Raikas]

Frybread76 wrote...

I may be wrong, but the only bisexual character storywise is Isabela.  She mentions having sexy times with men and women whether your character is straight, gay, bisexual, male or female.

Merrill and Anders are either straight or gay -- depending on your character -- and the DLC knight dude is straight.

I agree when it comes to Merrill and Fenris, but since Anders talks about being more than just friends with Karl (plus the "In the Ferelden Circle everyone kissed everyone" line), I think he's a bi character regardless of RP choices, no?