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[Bathead]

darthtater10 wrote...

So, since everyone, male or female Hawke, not interested in an Anders romance is equally penalized for shooting him down, there's really not an issue then. Anders is just oversensitive, but he's oversensitive to everyone equally.

That's exactly right. This is what people seem to not be getting.

[Bathead]

hismastersvoice wrote...

uncledolan wrote...

This thread is hilarious

As much as the fact just about everyone in DA2 seem to be bisexual? I mean, I get the design reasons for that, but it's just... well, hilarious.

And, yet again, the only bisexual in DA:2 is Isabela. The rest are either gay or straight, depending on what sex you chose for your version of Hawke.

[Boradam]

I told anders no but I never had a problem with getting him to friend.

Herp.

[hismastersvoice]

Bathead wrote...

hismastersvoice wrote...

uncledolan wrote...

This thread is hilarious

As much as the fact just about everyone in DA2 seem to be bisexual? I mean, I get the design reasons for that, but it's just... well, hilarious.

And, yet again, the only bisexual in DA:2 is Isabela. The rest are either gay or straight, depending on what sex you chose for your version of Hawke.

Sorry, but for me Merril from a male playthrough it the exact same Merill I met when playing a female. Thus, she is bisexual. It's just another sign of a rush job on Biowares part as they couldn't be bothered to actually make a larger pool of varied LI's.

That, or it's a result of the constant whining about no same sex romance options in, say, ME2.

[Annarl]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

At no point in my LadyHawke playthrough did Anders or Fenris imply they like men. It's not like Zevran, who very openly proclaimed his bi-ness (which didn't bother me, why would it?). I didn't actually realise they could both be romanced by my DudeHawke until I actually tried.

I'm also apparently doing something wrong, because Anders and Fenris didn't flirt with me at all until I flirted with them as my dude. Alas!

I wish I had that problem cause Anders tried to initiate something in that first talk after Karl and I had to put him down quickly cause my MaleHawke didn't swing that way. Anders threw a hissy fit.
That first convo no matter your gender he's sniffing around getting in your robes/armor, so to speak, regardless of gender.  I was more upset by that and his immature reaction to being told 'no' than the fact that he could be bi/gay/straight.

I had this problem with Anders and my MHawke.  My MHawke was friendly but didn't flirt with Anders.  I wished there was a way to say "not interested" without taking the rivary points.  It was the only conversation that was like that well for me.  I have trouble getting Anders into the friend zone since I don't agree with him enough but I don't disagree with him enough to be a rival either.  So for me that hit hurts:pinched: LOL.

Modifié par omearaee, 16 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[lenkite]

I think the main problem is that the romance options for a heterosexual male Hawke are so lame - a mentally challenged Elf who seems like jail bait and a...sl-ut. And then you have the added insult of being forced to flirt with Anders - your only Healer.

I was so pissed to learn I couldn't romance Aveline that I decided not to romance anyone in my playthrough. At least Fem Hawke's get Sebastian...

Modifié par spaceweaver, 16 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[ISKVII]

darthtater10 wrote...

So, since everyone, male or female Hawke, not interested in an Anders romance is equally penalized for shooting him down, there's really not an issue then. Anders is just oversensitive, but he's oversensitive to everyone equally.

Anders: I got a bit weighty the last time we talked. Sorry for putting that on you.

Male Hawke:
- Helpful
- Sarcasm
- Broken Heart

Choose the third option and there's no rivalry points.

Modifié par ISKVII, 16 mars 2011 - 09:08 .

[David Gaider]

I'll say this much and be done with it:

For Anders and Isabela it was decided they would initiate the romance, but only if the player was showing themselves at all receptive (beyond actively flirting with them, I mean) -- in Anders' case, for instance, there's only one option (the Diplomatic one) when you speak to him that leads to this. The other two options do not. Otherwise it's up to the player to initiate.

If that's not what you're interested in, then turn him down. You may get rivalry points (you don't always), but that's not a "punishment". There are plenty of other ways to get friendship points if the Friendship path is what you're interested in. Rivalry is not a punishment-- it's an alternate follower path with its own dialogue, romance and gameplay bonuses.

Beyond that, if the concern is you might accidentally be exposed to an unwelcome sexual advance-- oh well. One would hope you'd deal with it in the same mature manner you'd do so in real life. There are numerous other times in Dragon Age where you might be confronted with uncomfortable situations, and you don't get to dictate those, either.

Fenris and Merrill don't initiate a romance with any gender, and really their sexuality is the most subjective since they don't discuss it. Regardless, why someone would be concerned about what other people might do in their playthroughs is difficult to say. If the idea that a character might be having hypothetical sex with someone of the same gender in an alternate dimension bothers you, then by all means don't continue with their romance. That's why they're optional.

In DA2 specifically, one of the strongest elements of choice in the game is your choice of relationship-- with friends, family as well as with romances--and we feel that's important to retain. That's why it's there. It's not political correctness that drives this, but an effort to provide freedom in the places we feel it's most important.

And I'll leave it at that. Enjoy.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Ardinal]

Bioware was diverse enough by having characters with different sexual orientations. I don't think people are respecting a creators choice to define the sexuality of their characters.

To have the player practically choose the sexual orientation of their companions implies to me that a person's sexuality is flexible and can be customized to suit you, which I feel is the sends the wrong message. It implies that a person should be able to change their sexuality, as if it's not something that is a definitive part of who they are.
I am sick of people being labelled as homophobic simply because they want characters to have a defined sexual orientation.

What's so wrong with giving them the right to be hetrosexual? If you want diversity and open mindedness why not be more accepting of a persons or in this case a NPC's sexual preference?

Anders was a ladies man, a dandy and a fop. They put a man in him and took away his... puss... cat... and look what happened? TERRIBLE ANGST AND ROMANTIC TRIPE... that's what happened.

I know it's fantasy and that in your universe you can choose whether Anders or anyone else is gay or straight but it just, I don't know it just doesn't sit well with me.

Modifié par Ardinal, 16 mars 2011 - 04:50 .

[TheJediSaint]

I was really not bothered by the fact that all the romances were bisexual. The fact is that Dragon Age is a universe were inter-racial relationships, like what happened with Fenryel's mother, are far more scandalous than same-sex ones. If you romance Merrill for example, regardless of Hawke's sex, she will reluctant because Hawke is human and bedding a human is a big no-no with the Dalish.

Now to be honest, as a heterosexual male who tend to play heterosexual male PCs, I really don't have any interest in romancing Anders or Fenris. But the fact that Bioware had left that door open for players is a testament to their commitment to giving the players the ability to craft Hawke into the person they want him or her to be.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 16 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[Cajeb]

I just thought it was odd that I was able to flirt with Anders or Fenris immediately but I had to wait to hit on Merrill or Isabela

[Aynslie]

I played a straight Lady Hawke and both Anders and Fenris seemed to be very straight in my games. So this may very well be that you know they swing both ways instead of actually pursuing them and experiencing the game content. And if not then you are just too sensitive.

I thought Bioware did a great job in making LI's available for everyone. Good job Bioware!

[Geiyu]

Ardinal wrote...

Bioware was diverse enough by having characters with different sexual orientations. I don't think people are respecting a creators choice to define the sexuality of their characters.

To have the player practically choose the sexual orientation of their companions implies to me that a person's sexuality is flexible and can be customized to suit you, which I feel is the sends the wrong message. It implies that a person should be able to change their sexuality, as if it's not something that is a definitive part of who they are.
I am sick of people being labelled as homophobic simply because they want characters to have a defined sexual orientation.

What's so wrong with giving them the right to be hetrosexual? If you want diversity and open mindedness why not be more accepting of a persons or in this case a NPC's sexual preference?

Anders was a ladies man, a dandy and a fop. They put a man in him and took away his... puss... cat... and look what happened? TERRIBLE ANGST AND ROMANTIC TRIPE... that's what happened.

I know it's fantasy and that in your universe you can choose whether Anders or anyone else is gay or straight but it just, I don't know it just doesn't sit well with me.

We play games like this to get AWAY from what reality does to us. It's not sending a message at all. It's saying, "Enjoy your time away from the real world with what YOU want." It's only fair, people paid good money for this game, they should be entitled to a little self-indulging fantasy.

There's nothing else there. Everyone is trying to read between the lines, when there's nothing there to read. It's simple self-indulging fantasy. I'd imagine some people don't seek a relationship at all, does that mean they should get mad because relationships were put into the game in the first place?

[Parrk]

Straight guy checking in. Wife, kids, mortgage....all that.

I only play lesbians in bioware games.

this thread will not find a receptive audience, because it alienates not only homosexuals (who are numerically over-represented in the fantasy genre to begin with, so you can't assume they are the same 7 or so % of the population here), but also straight guys who did chick-on-chick action (which I suspect hands us the majority opinion in this debate).



Lack of Femshep-tali romance is the only thing holding ME beck from true greatness.......f'n FIXIT!

Modifié par Parrk, 16 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[sevalaricgirl]

I romanced the heck out of Anders and he didn't flirt once with any male in the game. Who cares as long as it's not out in the open that Bioware created a game where they didn't pull a Zevran except for Isabela but you knew that from Origins. I liked the fact that you couldn't tell that Anders was a male/male choice. Not even in the slightest was it hinted at. He was completely masculine and dang sexy for a terrorist.  He and my female Hawke ran away together as freedom fighters.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 16 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Fault Girl]

If your not condemning homosexuality, i think the word disgusting is totally wrong word to use.

There is nothing wrong with choice, I would say i'm straight (but who knows I could meet an amazing girl and it could chnage) I would appreciate Bioware doing something like this.

It's a game, seriously. I dont understand why people get all angry over PC's moulding to the sex of your hawke.

There should be choice, why should your "disgust" stop others from being able to fully enjoy a game?

[Ardinal]

David Gaider wrote...


Beyond that, if the concern is you might accidentally be exposed to someone who might make an unwelcome advance-- oh well. One would hope you'd deal with it in the same mature manner you'd do so in real life. There are numerous other times in Dragon Age where you might be confronted with uncomfortable situations, and you don't get to dictate those, either.

Yes David, but I'm a bisexual woman in real life and I don't just hit on everything that moves and I especially wouldn't hit on someone who is clearly hetrosexual. There are awkward situations in real life that would call for a mature approach, but usually they are avoided when you know what a person's sexual preferance actually is and you wouldn't push the issue out of courtesy.
Bioware made it possible for a player to be able to customize a characters sexuality, something that can be a very sacred and definitive choice to a person in real life.
So it's ok for us to dictate whether a character is gay or straight but then you mention something about accepting uncomfortable situations? I enjoy accepting the consequences in my role playing games, which includes having to accept the sexual orientation of the worlds NPC's. If I was a playing a LARP and someone didn't want their character to bed mine I wouldn just have to accept it. Although I could throw the homophobic "oh your mind just isn't open enough" crap their way before I stormed off. I get that its someones fantasy, I just wish Bioware had left the sexual orientation of a character alone and only at the mercy of player within the pages of many a fanfiction or among the galleries of deviantart.

[Captain_Obvious]

David Gaider wrote...

Regardless, why someone would be concerned about what other people might do in their playthroughs is difficult to say. If the idea that a character might be having hypothetical sex with someone of the same gender in an alternate dimension bothers you, then by all means don't continue with their romance.

Oh man, you owe me a new monitor for that one. 

Note to self, don't browse forums while eating Cheetos. 

[backrow]

i don't care either way, it's easy enough to avoid their advances.
PS was there really whining about not having enough homosexual romance options in other Bioware games?

[Chthonic]

Huge Bioware fan. And despite everything going on with them, this one decision to allow player choice here really cements that.

LHawk+Merrill=

[Ardinal]

Geiyu wrote...

Ardinal wrote...

Bioware was diverse enough by having characters with different sexual orientations. I don't think people are respecting a creators choice to define the sexuality of their characters.

To have the player practically choose the sexual orientation of their companions implies to me that a person's sexuality is flexible and can be customized to suit you, which I feel is the sends the wrong message. It implies that a person should be able to change their sexuality, as if it's not something that is a definitive part of who they are.
I am sick of people being labelled as homophobic simply because they want characters to have a defined sexual orientation.

What's so wrong with giving them the right to be hetrosexual? If you want diversity and open mindedness why not be more accepting of a persons or in this case a NPC's sexual preference?

Anders was a ladies man, a dandy and a fop. They put a man in him and took away his... puss... cat... and look what happened? TERRIBLE ANGST AND ROMANTIC TRIPE... that's what happened.

I know it's fantasy and that in your universe you can choose whether Anders or anyone else is gay or straight but it just, I don't know it just doesn't sit well with me.

We play games like this to get AWAY from what reality does to us. It's not sending a message at all. It's saying, "Enjoy your time away from the real world with what YOU want." It's only fair, people paid good money for this game, they should be entitled to a little self-indulging fantasy.

There's nothing else there. Everyone is trying to read between the lines, when there's nothing there to read. It's simple self-indulging fantasy. I'd imagine some people don't seek a relationship at all, does that mean they should get mad because relationships were put into the game in the first place?

You have a very valid point. It is about escapism. It is about choice and you are right a player can even choose not to romance anyone. Yet when it comes to RPG's I just think some things should be left to the creators and out of the hands of the players before it feels like you are simply writing the whole game yourself and then sitting down to GM the whole game as well.  

[RosaAquafire]

I'm not sure the "escapism" argument applies to strongly to these games, myself. They're more art than entertainment in a lot of ways.

I agree with what some people are saying in that I wish the sexualities of the LIs were less subjective. Anders, mostly. It sits very wrong with me that he never tells Lady Hawke about his affair with Karl. Either he's omitting it because it makes people uncomfortable, which is a problem, or it didn't happen with a Lady Hawke, which is a BIG problem. Anders being in love with Karl changes his story a LOT, it completely flips his motivations upside down, and changing that so that women who have an issue with a bisexual man don't have to be uncomfortable is ... awkward. And sort of unfortunate.

Especially considering Isabela is so open about being with women.

I don't care so much about Fenris and Merrill, execpt that Merrill expresses attraction to males (qunari, etc.) and Fenris expresses attraction to females (Isabela!), while neither does so for the same gender. Merrill even seems shocked at Isabela's bisexuality. But it's reasonable to say they both prefer the opposite gender, and are more than willing to bend for someone compelling of the same. Still, I prefer the way this was handled with Zevran and Leliana.

I love the move towards more homosexual options, I just wish it had been more part of the characters and less part of a gameplay mechanic. Zevran and Leliana felt more real, like their sexualities were a part of them. The four DA2 LIs feel more like their sexualities are separate from them, a part of the game.

Though I guess I see why BW went through route, seeing how even this was too risky for the OP :|

Modifié par RosaAquafire, 16 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[Shockwave Pulsar]

OP is not making any sense, they're not really bi: if your Hawke is male, then Isabela and Merril are straight, and Anders and Fenris are gay; if your Hawke is female then Isabela and Merril are gay, and Anders and Fenris are straight. Or do you see the LIs having a relationship with anyone else beside Hawke ?
I think it's great that Bioware is doing it this way, it gives players more choices (please keep it that way for the sequel). Don't want ? Then don't choose, very simple.
Having all Lis bi is also the best solution IMO, because it avoids all the complaints from Origins, where people complained to no end about that character being a same sex option and the other not. This way, everyone can romance the LI he/she wants.

Modifié par Balthamoss, 16 mars 2011 - 06:02 .