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[Geiyu]

I didn't have a hard time choosing the mages over the templar's with what happened to my mother...as a matter of fact, I blame the templars and city guard more than I blamed myself for failing her. As far as I've seen? The Templars in Kirkwall are ready, and all too willing to EXECUTE someone just for SPEAKING with a run away mage.

They've no qualms with ruining lives to get their hands on a run away mage...but Mahren disappears, they use her Phylactery to follow her to the foundry, and then give up when they don't see her(let us not forget that templars aren't just there to protect others from mages, but also to protect the mages)? And the city guard somehow missed all the women going missing were all sent white lillies before they were abducted? That's simple 1+1 crap right there!

If the templars were HALF as good at their jobs as they PRETEND to be, they'd have torn that foundry apart looking for her. But because they're half-witted, and utter failures to their own code, and the tasks they were ORDAINED for, Mahren, Ninette, who knows how many OTHER women, AND your mother ALL get brutally murdered, for some sicko's blood magic fueled necrophilia fetish. Who do I blame? The templars, and even the city guard for failing to connect the dots.

Anyone can be a psychotic serial killer, mage or not...but when the enforcement of the city ALLOWS them to get away with it because actually figuring out who's kidnapping and quite possibly butchering innocent people would take too much effort? Who do you think is the REAL monster? The templars had a duty to their charge, Mahren, and they failed her. The city guard have a duty to all within the walls of Kirkwall, and they failed all of those women and their families.

That's my opinion on the matter, how about you guys?

[Auroras]

I definitely blame the guardsmen and templars, as well. They left the case all but untouched for three years. Of course, that is Hawke's fault, as well, as s/he never pursued it.

[Dante Angelo]

I blame the Orleisians. Because that's what Teryn Loghain would do.

[Ninja Mage]

Totally agree. I thought I killed the right guy but I guess I didn't. I never talked to Mahren so I don't know who she is. But letting some guy kill that many women just so he could make a re-animated corpse of his dead fiancee was awful. They should have put all thier resources into that. The templars are to blame

[Darian Tylmare]

I blame the Maker for not killing Quentin by using cancer or a cardiac arrest.
But in the end it's like every major plot point in this game. Nobody is the definite cause, it was nobody and yet somebody.

[sylvanaerie]

The deaths were senseless but if you want to blame someone, blame Orsino for not saying a damn word all those years. If you side with the mages, when he goes nuts and starts using blood magic, he mentions Quinton being "right". He knew Quinton was a blood mage and said nothing.
Blame the guards for doing nothing and yes the OTHER templars but not Emeric who was the only soul for all that time (even after Hawke gave up) who continued trying to solve it. He was (self admittedly) an old man who didn't have the stuff to be doing that kind of work but he didn't give up till he was tricked into a trap that killed him as well.
Hell, blame the mabari for letting mom out of the house with the white lily killer.
Blame your uncle for not getting there sooner and telling Hawke about it.
Tossing blame beyond the actual killer himself is pointless. And in the end, that's what drained all the energy out of me at the end of that quest. Because it was a senseless loss that it didn't matter who was to blame. Hawke killed the killer finally but not before the loss became incredibly personal.

[Icy Magebane]

Dante Angelo wrote...

I blame the Orleisians. Because that's what Teryn Loghain would do.

This.  Never doubt the Hero of River Dane.  Quentin was obviously an Orlesian spy.

[Clonedzero]

i blame the viscount, not enough youth programs to keep people happy and sane
kids grow up, resort to blood magic. not pretty, i mean look how unsafe it is at night, can't take a stroll through hightown at night without being jumped by 20 dudes

if they had youthgroups all those thugs woulda been upstanding citizens! without the huge criminal underworld the blood mage could never work so freely in the seedy underworld cus it'd be nice areas!

ITS ALL THE VISCOUNTS FAULT!

[Kingofdragoons]

You know the worst part about that entire quest is that you go to the guys hide out more then once... only the second time you for some reason decide to notice the trap door. I mean... its reasonable to say he couldnt cover the trap door from the other side of it. Now, how didnt Hawke or anyone else notice it the first time?

[Geiyu]

sylvanaerie wrote...

The deaths were senseless but if you want to blame someone, blame Orsino for not saying a damn word all those years. If you side with the mages, when he goes nuts and starts using blood magic, he mentions Quinton being "right". He knew Quinton was a blood mage and said nothing.
Blame the guards for doing nothing and yes the OTHER templars but not Emeric who was the only soul for all that time (even after Hawke gave up) who continued trying to solve it. He was (self admittedly) an old man who didn't have the stuff to be doing that kind of work but he didn't give up till he was tricked into a trap that killed him as well.
Hell, blame the mabari for letting mom out of the house with the white lily killer.
Blame your uncle for not getting there sooner and telling Hawke about it.
Tossing blame beyond the actual killer himself is pointless. And in the end, that's what drained all the energy out of me at the end of that quest. Because it was a senseless loss that it didn't matter who was to blame. Hawke killed the killer finally but not before the loss became incredibly personal.

So very true, in many ways...but I actually came to my conclusion the minute that **** Meredith brought my mother's death into the conversation when I was defending the mages. Hoo, that made me want to beat her with my sword. She was totally out of line.

[Pileyourbodies]

I blame the mages. First enchanter Orsino knew about the madman and his necromancy and orsino even helped the bastard.

[Maria Caliban]

Um, I blame the fellow that was murdering women and desecrating their corpses. Does anyone think that if the Templars and city guards were more like Ferelden, Quntin would have been a nice, loving fellow who didn't brutally kill your mother?

[Elessara]

Yeah ... I blame the killer. Yeah he had help but he was the one ultimately responsible for the deaths.

[NinjaRogue]

I blame the Lilly Killer, and he can also be blamed, along with the taint and that ogre, for me enjoying killing every last one of those horned Neanderthals....my Hawke just couldn't take loss anymore. At the end of Act II he temporarily lost it.....then he killed the Arishok and got to keep his girlfriend. FINALLY HAPPY SEXY TIME CAN COMMENCE!!!

[Dante Angelo]

I thought Orsino merely put aside his Quinton's studies after Quinton had died

[MKDAWUSS]

The writers for coming up with a bad (in terms of quality) storyline.

[sylvanaerie]

[quote]Geiyu wrote...

[quote]So very true, in many ways...but I actually came to my conclusion the minute that **** Meredith brought my mother's death into the conversation when I was defending the mages. Hoo, that made me want to beat her with my sword. She was totally out of line.

[/quote]

I don't remember getting that line but frankly I wanted to kill Meredith for a long time in game.  I probably will never side with the templars because she's so nucking futs she is unreachable at that point.  Killing a bunch of innocents for the crimes of one nutjob terrorist mage isn't any better.
It's a very messed up world they have created for their second installment, much darker than DAO.

[bztang]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Totally agree. I thought I killed the right guy but I guess I didn't. I never talked to Mahren so I don't know who she is. But letting some guy kill that many women just so he could make a re-animated corpse of his dead fiancee was awful. They should have put all thier resources into that. The templars are to blame

Actually if you don't kill Gaspar Dupuis, and bring him with you to confront the killer, he may turn on you, and you get to kill em both

[bztang]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

I blame the mages. First enchanter Orsino knew about the madman and his necromancy and orsino even helped the bastard.

Yeah, I found out about that during my second playthrough as a mage supporting the templars.

[Dean_the_Young]

First, I blame myself (Hawke) for failing to protect family.

Then I blame the guy who actually kidnapped her, tortured her, did horrific experiments with her, and killed her.

Then I blame Orisino for tolerated, and encouraging, the guy for all those years.

Those are the people I'd blame.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I blame Quentin's wife for dying.

[Azul7]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

First, I blame myself (Hawke) for failing to protect family.

Then I blame the guy who actually kidnapped her, tortured her, did horrific experiments with her, and killed her.

Then I blame Orisino for tolerated, and encouraging, the guy for all those years.

Those are the people I'd blame.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts as well

[jfp2004]

I blame Hawke for not pursuing it more. Along with everyone else involved in the whole conspiracy, from Orisino on down.

I can't really blame the mages or templars as a whole though. Even though it doesn't always feel like it in the game, the city's a big place, and bad stuff like that is bound to happen.

[reddragon567]

 

I didn't have a hard time choosing the mages over the templar's with what happened to my mother...as a matter of fact, I blame the templars and city guard more than I blamed myself for failing her. As far as I've seen? The Templars in Kirkwall are ready, and all too willing to EXECUTE someone just for SPEAKING with a run away mage.

Orsino indirectly killed your mother...

Sooo yeah.