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[Noodlewidagun]

I doubt this is it, but Armstice has a limited AoE, my best guess is that ppl read it as "all aggro gone", where it's actually a specific-size Detaunt (thus i only have it used when a party member is attacked by a Melee attack - only mobs in the range of the ability would be affected by it).[/quote]

i know, i threw Armistice into a group of enemies that are attacking what i don't want them to, the effect goes on, and they all just start giggling like idiots at me as they continue maiming whoever they were maiming... this was consistently happening, so i just gave up on it, and adopted a different tactic that's working beautifully.

also, subscribe to the forum at the top of the page, and you can use the "jump to" slider to look at your subscribed forums to check them more easily.

[Togra_blah]

Ziga, don't worry - just buy Maker's Sighs (fully resets spent points in Attributes and Abilities so u can change stuff up) from the Black Emporium Downloadable Content, a promo code for which came with my PC Version free.

Honestly, idk how anyone could survive without them hehe.

My first game i screwed up so bad on point spending i nearly deleted it, then i found out about Maker's Sighs, and now i'm rollin' along with it.

Note that you must manually download the Black Emporium (at least with PC Version) after using the Promo Code (this was my folly - i thought it was just "enabled" once i used the promo code, but finally figured it out).

<<edit> Thanks Nood, i'll try that Subscribe thing. Very weird regarding Armstice tho, idk what the story is.>

Modifié par Togra_blah, 16 mars 2011 - 04:59 .

[naughty99]

Zigabogado wrote...

So, it looks like I would have to change out Varric.
For who, though?

Swap Varric for Anders.

I'm playing a Rogue on Nightmare with the following party

Anders
Avelline
Merril or Fenris

without Anders Regroup spell, there is no way I could have made it this far. He can quickly revive all dead party members at once, regardless of distance.

Ususally at least a few party members die during each big battle on Nightmare and since you have to kite a lot, their corpses are often lying at the other side of the map by the time I can revive them.

- Unlike Merril, he can also heal.

- Unlike Bethany, he has full access to the Primal school (with all cross class combos for Petrify, Stonefist, Chain Lightning), Rock Armor + Galvanize,

- He can also use the Elemental school ccc spells.

- And he has a badass Vengeance mode that reduces all his cooldowns by 80%

Modifié par naughty99, 16 mars 2011 - 05:01 .

[robadob]

I keep seeing armistice and goad dont work on console but on my PS3 i seem to be holding aggro just fine with my 2-H reaver....and varic hardly ever pulls threat off of me and has been my main means of threat management... I may not be noticing something

[sevenplusone]

Far from it. The only thing more valuable than a ranged rogue is a 2h warrior. If you already have a 2h warrior on Nightmare, then you don't need another and 2 ranged rogues in your party is the best option. Then you just choose if you want to go damage mage or heal/cc mage for the last slot.

I've been running 2h warrior tank(Fenris), and 3 ranged rogues(Varric, Sebastian, Hawke), and it's just stupid good.

[Sabariel]

My party consists of three archers and Aveline. We have a lot of fun

[soldierofhate]

I found Varric to be pretty awesome in my gameplay to the end. As a Warrior my favorite party consisted of Isabela (Melee DPS) Varric (Ranged DPS) and Bethany (Heals/Auras/Crowd Control) Isabela is just sick come on, her DPS is nuts and her evades have ridiculous potential as well. Varric is a very usefull friend to make as he provides alot of viable information during the storyline and many missions. As far as his combat ability I thought he delivered pretty consistant DPS and good crowd control if set up right. Concentrate on his Attack Speed, AOEs and Stamina regen to keep a steady stream of fire going. Turn him into Tony Montana of the Dwarfs with Bianca being his machine gun/grenade launcher.

"Say hello to my little friend! "(no pun intended)

[Graunt]

Boysenberry wrote...

If you have aggro problems, I highly suggest having Varric learn Armistice and Goad under the Scoundrel tree. Set up your tactics for him to use Goad on himself whenever being attacked and have him use Armistice on Aveline continuously through the battle to help her keep hate. Make sure he also learns Evade and Stealth too.

It also helps if you have Aveline go down the Battlemaster tree to get the Battle Synergy stance and upgrade it with Fearless Synergy as fast as possible.

Battle Synergy doesn't do anything for ranged classes.  Also, I think you have what I underlined backwards.  Getting Stealth will prevent him from so many random deaths, and there are more threat reduction talents.  You can also give him the talent that makes him teleport to an ally, so that if he's far out he can jump to Aveline for a taunt/bash, whatever.

Modifié par Graunt, 16 mars 2011 - 06:36 .

[JoshPloof]

Saywhaaa? Not only is Varric hilarious and one of two of my favorite characters, Bianca is pretty powerful.

[Tach Prime]

Yeah Varric is awesome just for the quest to give payback to Bartrand in his mansion in act 2 alone. Varric is god mode right there.

Modifié par Tach Prime, 16 mars 2011 - 06:46 .

[Marbazoid]

I have had a similar experience with armstice. I'm not sure how exacly it works, or how your meant to use it.

Modifié par Marbazoid, 16 mars 2011 - 06:48 .

[7he0ch0]

Togra_blah wrote...

<<edit> Plz note the image quality is fine, but the size is not by default - approx 200% webpage zoom worked well for me. Also, Attributes are with his two Sustained Abilities off, something i noticed a bit late heh.>

This is how i roll my Varric, who's autoattack smashes stuff and who manages his aggro, and that of other party members, exceedingly well.

I run on nightmare, PC Version, currently Act 2 - i see 200+ autoattack dmg from him very frequently on easier mobs (crits i presume, which is about every other hit).

Note that none of the abilities in Subterfuge have their upgrades (waste of points), but all Marksman ones do, and all but one Scoundrel do as well (next lvl i'll be upgrading that last one which lacks it).

Copy this build with a tank setup with proper tactics in the party, and i challange you to continue to dislike Varric.

I just want to know why u dont have blindside as one of your skills that skill is like one of the best skills u can have on varric.

[DAOME2FTW]

Eh? I always have Varric in my group, his level of damage is ridiculous. And he is quite tough.

[nicethugbert]

Varric could be a whale hunter with that crossbow. I'm surprised Isabella has made him any offers.

My team right now on normal difficulty is dual wield Hawke assassin/duelist, Varric, Merril, and Anders. I'm missing Stagger and Disorient CCC but I do have Dessicate/Annhilate on Hawke and on Varric Descicate/Shattering Shot and Dessicate/Punishing Lance, with Mark of Death plus Hex of Torment to add. I've seen over 5000 damage floaties with Dessicate/Annhilate.

[MetallicaRulez0]

I have problems targeting Armistice as well. It's like the target circle gets stuck and won't move with my mouse. Haven't tried manually using Goad (have it in Varric's tactics) but it *seems* to work alright in my experience. I see him cast Goad and then dudes come running for my Warrior, so I guess it's fine.

Armistice though, totally useless with the current bug.

[GodBID]

I'm not sure how you can say that varric is useless, when you get "Bianca upgraded" she turns into a friggin M249 SAW, and starts to murder stuff in 2 - 3 shots, but on top of that that varric is fairly durable with the right tactics.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with more then 1 rogue for a party, hell most of my parties consist of Bela/Hawke both rogues and varric, with Anders as support healer/dmg dealer works more then fine on Hard, Nightmare might be a different story though.

[DrekorSilverfang]

Likely a problem with the build.

As a rogue Varric has lots of aggro control mechanics. You should be setting up tactics for him to use things like armistice, goad and evade. His specialization is also ridiculously powerful. He's the best rogue to have around for lock picking as well because you don't need to stack dex to upgrade his weapon leaving you free to stack cun and con.

[Togra_blah]

7he0ch0 wrote...

I just want to know why u dont have blindside as one of your skills that skill is like one of the best skills u can have on varric.

I... don't actually know lol.

I think i sorta got tunnel vision, or went blind to that side of the talent tree (pun intended).

That will be my next ability on him, ty for pointing out that flaw in my build.

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Likely a problem with the build.

As a rogue Varric has lots of aggro control mechanics. You should be setting up tactics for him to use things like armistice, goad and evade. His specialization is also ridiculously powerful. He's the best rogue to have around for lock picking as well because you don't need to stack dex to upgrade his weapon leaving you free to stack cun and con.

I must respectfully disagree with the statement "you don't need to stack dex" in relation to Varric.

While it is true that you don't need it to upgrade his weapon, i find it rather important, at least on nightmare, to keep his attack rating and dmg high.

Modifié par Togra_blah, 16 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[Soilborn88]

Varric is far from useless. He has the highest DPS out of all my characters vs single targets.

Upgrade Speed, Upgrade Bianca gives Varric a **** ton of crit rate, critical damage, attack speed, and increased damage and attack, and 90% faster cool down for all skills. 

60% faster attack speed with like 120% crit damage at like 60% critical rate. Varric makes short work of any elite enemy, any normal enemy, and most bosses.

In short, Varric is underated terribly, he has the highest DPS in the entire game.

My party consisted of Hawke as a 2-handed Reaver, Anders for support, Varric for DPS and some crowd control, and Merrill as a pure attack mage focused in Primal and Elven Pariah. I did so much damage and destroyed mobs of enemies I was unstopable and didn't even need a tank even when my warrior was taking massive damage from Aura of Pain, Sacrifical Frenzy + on Hard.

Modifié par Soilborn88, 16 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[7he0ch0]

Togra_blah wrote...

7he0ch0 wrote...

I just want to know why u dont have blindside as one of your skills that skill is like one of the best skills u can have on varric.

I... don't actually know lol.

I think i sorta got tunnel vision, or went blind to that side of the talent tree (pun intended).

That will be my next ability on him, ty for pointing out that flaw in my build.

Haha im glad i helped with that but other than that your build seems very solid.

[naughty99]

Not sure which difficulty mode OP is playing on, but on Hard or Nightmare, it is almost impossible to get through without some kind of revive ability.

Since the OP is a rogue, it's not quite as helpful to have a second rogue in the party, and Anders is his only option for a companion who can revive dead party members.

The best party composition for Hard or Nightmare seems to be
One 2H warrior for tank (so far this seems better than Avelline for Nightmare)
One Rogue
Two mages with talent points into CCC spells + at least one with revive and healing

Modifié par naughty99, 16 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[Caelaias]

Zigabogado wrote...

So, it looks like I would have to change out Varric.
For who, though?

Well I dont know.. you could maybe try Anders so that you have an effing healer.. doh!

naughty99 wrote...

Not sure which difficulty mode OP is playing on, but on Hard or Nightmare, it is almost impossible to get through without some kind of revive ability.

Since the OP is a rogue, it's not quite as helpful to have a second rogue in the party, and Anders is his only option for a companion who can revive dead party members.

The best party composition for Hard or Nightmare seems to be
One 2H warrior for tank (so far this seems better than Avelline for Nightmare)
One Rogue 
Two mages with talent points into CCC spells + at least one with revive and healing

So okay.. I know what CC is ( Croud Control ) but CCC? ( Croud Control Cruise? )

Modifié par Caelaias, 16 mars 2011 - 10:55 .

[SlamminHams]

naughty99 wrote...

- And he has a badass Vengeance mode that reduces all his cooldowns by 80%

You don't have to be in Vengeance to take benefit from the reduced cooldowns.  Vengeance is only a point prerequisite in the talent tree, not a combat one.  Martyr, on the other hand, does require Vengeance during battle.

[SlamminHams]

Caelaias wrote...

So okay.. I know what CC is ( Croud Control ) but CCC? ( Croud Control Cruise? )

Cross class Combos.

When spells increase in efficiency nearly tenfold through Stagger, Brittle, or Disoriente.

[Zigabogado]

Thanks for the help, guys.
What I'll try and do is reload to a far previous save, and try to get things right, mainly by fixing up Aveline's abilities, and equipped subtlety on Varric and I.