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[MaximusPhoenix]

Just finished DA2 and noticed they said the Warden "dissapeared". I only watched my roommate on and off play DAO/Awakening, and my underderstanding is that in Origins, he sacrifices himself, correct?
     I so, then who is the Warden in Awakening you inport?

[TJPags]

There is a choice at the end of Origins. Your Warden can choose to kill himself, have someone else die killing the AD, or can take the get out of death free card (do the DR).

If you import a character into Awakening, it is either your Warden who did not die, or if the Warden did and you still import that Warden, s/he is resurrected. However, you have the option to play Awakening with a new Orlesian Warden.

If you imported a dead Warden into Awakening, while that Warden is resurrected there, DA2 assumes an Orlesian Warden existed in Awakening.

[Myusha]

TJPags wrote...

If you imported a dead Warden into Awakening, while that Warden is resurrected there, DA2 assumes an Orlesian Warden existed in Awakening.

Really? I thought that if you imported a dead Warden, that it invalidates your Ultimate Sacrifice.

[TJPags]

Myusha wrote...

TJPags wrote...

If you imported a dead Warden into Awakening, while that Warden is resurrected there, DA2 assumes an Orlesian Warden existed in Awakening.

Really? I thought that if you imported a dead Warden, that it invalidates your Ultimate Sacrifice.

In DAA, yes.  And in WH too, I think.

But DA2 reads the Origins flag on this, not the Awakening flag.

or at least, that's what we were told would happen.

[Beren082]

GAH!

you need to play it for yourself but...




*spoilers*






You don't have to sacrifice yourself in Origins. One, you can perform a "dark ritual" with Morrigan which consists of a night of awesome hanky panky, in which a child is concieved. and thus, instead of absorbing the archdaemon yourself, it goes straight for the baby, and instead of killing it, it bonds to the baby to become free of the taint. Morrigan can also do the ritual with Allistair or Loghain if your Warden is a woman. More then that, if you choose not to do this ritual, you can opt out of killing the Archdaemon yourself and give the honor to Allistair or Loghain, who would sacrifice themselves, allowing you to survive. any of these paths can lead to your Warden in Origins surviving, and thus free to be imported into Awakenings. However, if you do not choose to save yourself, kill the Archdaemon, and sacrifice your life in a blaze of glory, then when you play awakenings, you start as an Orliesian Warden, a completely different character.

[MaximusPhoenix]

Beren082 wrote...

GAH!

you need to play it for yourself but...




*spoilers*






You don't have to sacrifice yourself in Origins. One, you can perform a "dark ritual" with Morrigan which consists of a night of awesome hanky panky, in which a child is concieved. and thus, instead of absorbing the archdaemon yourself, it goes straight for the baby, and instead of killing it, it bonds to the baby to become free of the taint. Morrigan can also do the ritual with Allistair or Loghain if your Warden is a woman. More then that, if you choose not to do this ritual, you can opt out of killing the Archdaemon yourself and give the honor to Allistair or Loghain, who would sacrifice themselves, allowing you to survive. any of these paths can lead to your Warden in Origins surviving, and thus free to be imported into Awakenings. However, if you do not choose to save yourself, kill the Archdaemon, and sacrifice your life in a blaze of glory, then when you play awakenings, you start as an Orliesian Warden, a completely different character.

Cool, thank you ) I've seen most of it, but it was a while ago and I don't remember it all.
   But...even if you do sacrifice yourself, you can import yourself into Awakening and someone(don't tell me who/how) does some ritual to bring you back to life??

[Noel Vermillion]

No. You just are back to life. No explanation given.

[Taleroth]

They refer to Hero of Ferelden (Origins) and Warden-Commander (Awakening). It would be the Warden-Commander that's disappeared. They can be the same character, but if you sacrificed the Hero of Ferelden, they obviously are not.

[JedTed]

I don't know why they couldn't let you import a save with a dead Warden and then play Awakening as an Orlesian Warden. If you just create a character in Awakening then it's not same world that you had in your Origins save.

[Taleroth]

JedTed wrote...

I don't know why they couldn't let you import a save with a dead Warden and then play Awakening as an Orlesian Warden. If you just create a character in Awakening then it's not same world that you had in your Origins save.

They technically do.  The game always refers to the character by a title only relative to those events.  They never mention the Hero of Ferelden knowing Nathanial, for instance.  Always Warden-Commander.

[Merced652]

They made allowances for this, though it hardly mattered. I RP'd my warden in a way that would never lend to him ever accepting the position of warden commander, and subsequently never RPd him to hang around with alistair either yet alistair said i was back in denerim... you know.. chillin.

[TexasToast712]

Simple. If your Warden died in Origins then they are talking about your Orlesian Warden Commander.
Otherwise they are talking about your normal Warden. It fits in really well if your Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrgan as her lover like I did.

[Merced652]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Simple. If your Warden died in Origins then they are talking about your Orlesian Warden Commander.
Otherwise they are talking about your normal Warden. It fits in really well if your Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrgan as her lover like I did.

Unless you put alistair on the throne and then him and teagan are like well lates bro gotta go see my bro the hero of ferelden in lamerin.

[TexasToast712]

Merced652 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Simple. If your Warden died in Origins then they are talking about your Orlesian Warden Commander.
Otherwise they are talking about your normal Warden. It fits in really well if your Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrgan as her lover like I did.

Unless you put alistair on the throne and then him and teagan are like well lates bro gotta go see my bro the hero of ferelden in lamerin.

The Warden had to return to Denerim to buy Morrigan some makeup and groceries and a PSP for the little tyke of theirs.

[erilben]

She said the Warden is "gone". That could mean dead.

[Taleroth]

Merced652 wrote...

Unless you put alistair on the throne and then him and teagan are like well lates bro gotta go see my bro the hero of Ferelden in lamerin.

Why did I not catch this?  He was supposed to already be gone!

Easy possibility is that Witch Hunt is not given a time frame, so could happen afterward.

[TexasToast712]

Taleroth wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Unless you put alistair on the throne and then him and teagan are like well lates bro gotta go see my bro the hero of Ferelden in lamerin.

Why did I not catch this?  He was supposed to already be gone!

Easy possibility is that Witch Hunt is not given a time frame, so could happen afterward.

I read somewhere that it happens 2 years after the stuff went down in Awakenings.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 16 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[Branclem]

Beren082 wrote...

Morrigan can also do the ritual with Allistair or Loghain if your Warden is a woman.

In fact, you can have your companion do the ritual even as a male Warden.  In my DA:O playthrough the Warden refused to sleep with Morrigan out of loyalty to Leliana.  Morrigan then told him that Alistair could do it also, and after a bit of convincing that was that.

[Maria Caliban]

MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Just finished DA2 and noticed they said the Warden "dissapeared". I only watched my roommate on and off play DAO/Awakening, and my underderstanding is that in Origins, he sacrifices himself, correct?
     I so, then who is the Warden in Awakening you inport?

When you started the game, you were given three world settings to pick from and the ability to import a save from a previous game.

If you pick the default setting, the Warden lives. There's also one where she dies and another where he has Loghain die instead.

[MaximusPhoenix]

Hmmm right. I want to play through picking a different setting now....does anyone know if the ending changes depending on what story you load at the beginning?

[Taleroth]

MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Hmmm right. I want to play through picking a different setting now....does anyone know if the ending changes depending on what story you load at the beginning?

No, it doesn't.  The Warden is referring to the Awakening Warden, generally.  Because the Origins Warden is referred to as Hero of Ferelden.

[MaximusPhoenix]

Taleroth wrote...

MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Hmmm right. I want to play through picking a different setting now....does anyone know if the ending changes depending on what story you load at the beginning?

No, it doesn't.  The Warden is referring to the Awakening Warden, generally.  Because the Origins Warden is referred to as Hero of Ferelden.

Thx again...ok, so my last question(hopefully) is that, in DA2, do they assume there are always 2 different heros? The one from Origins and the one from Awakening, because with the Leliana cutscene when she warns Hawke, she says "yes, I fought with the Hero of Ferelden" and at the end of the game "Gone, just like the Warden"...
        or is it entirely dependent on if you choose a preset world or imported a save file, and on top of that, what you did in Origins/Awakening?

[Taleroth]

MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Hmmm right. I want to play through picking a different setting now....does anyone know if the ending changes depending on what story you load at the beginning?

No, it doesn't.  The Warden is referring to the Awakening Warden, generally.  Because the Origins Warden is referred to as Hero of Ferelden.

Thx again...ok, so my last question(hopefully) is that, in DA2, do they assume there are always 2 different heros? The one from Origins and the one from Awakening, because with the Leliana cutscene when she warns Hawke, she says "yes, I fought with the Hero of Ferelden" and at the end of the game "Gone, just like the Warden"...
        or is it entirely dependent on if you choose a preset world or imported a save file, and on top of that, what you did in Origins/Awakening?

It doesn't assume anything.  It's just being vague.

If it's something that pertains to Awakening, they say Warden-Commander.  If it pertains to Origins, they say Hero of Ferelden.  It's not because it assumes they're two people, it's just so that it can be two people if the player wants it to be.  They can also be the same person, just referenced two different ways.  Though I would agree that it's awkward.

[JedTed]

Taleroth wrote...
It doesn't assume anything.  It's just being vague.

If it's something that pertains to Awakening, they say Warden-Commander.  If it pertains to Origins, they say Hero of Ferelden.  It's not because it assumes they're two people, it's just so that it can be two people if the player wants it to be.  They can also be the same person, just referenced two different ways.  Though I would agree that it's awkward.

I still don't understand why they don't make use of the Warden's surname in dialog just to avoid confusion like this.  Each origin has a different surname so i always assumed that was another easy point of reference so people weren't calling you "Warden" or "The Hero of Ferelden" all the time.

They already record most of the lines in the game multiple times to accomodate race and gender, what's 6 more variations?