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[Dr.Goodspeed]

I'm experiencing a very annoying bug with the Last Descent armor set, or rather its set bonus. Whenever I unequip parts of the set, the bonus is removed correctly. It stays that way if I save, reload, transition to other areas, etc.
So far, so good.

However, when I unequip the complete set a serious glitch occurs. At first the set bonus is removed correctly. When I save and reload though, my char being completely naked, the set bonus appears in my Abilities tab again. My attributes however remain on their "naked" value. Now when I re-equip and unequip the whole set again the bonus is removed BUT I lose one point of dexterity permanently and also stamina iirc. If I repeat the process I can bring my char down to 0 dexterity.

The main problem with this glitch is that it's completely impossible for me right now to get rid of the set bonus. I'm either forced to keep the Last Descent set for the rest of the game to avoid getting bugged or I can risk playing with a glitched char without being able to foresee the possible consequences.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? Are there any known workaround and/or fixes?

Modifié par Dr.Goodspeed, 16 mars 2011 - 04:14 .

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Bump!

[Luke Barrett]

There is an issue with passive bonuses from external sources (isabela's friendship buff for instance) incorrectly subtracting their effects without appropriately adding them. We're looking in to it.

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Luke Barrett wrote...

There is an issue with passive bonuses from external sources (isabela's friendship buff for instance) incorrectly subtracting their effects without appropriately adding them. We're looking in to it.

I see. But that doesn't change the fact that I shouldn't have the set bonus AT ALL while I don't have any pieces of the set equipped. The problem is that instead of just disappearing, the set bonus totally messes up my char when I unequip the whole set.

As long as I have at least one piece of the set equipped the game "recognizes" that I don't have the full set equipped and thus doesn't grant the bonus. When the WHOLE set is unequipped however, as in being naked, it starts bugging as soon as I save and reload. What I want is to be able to unequip all pieces of the Last Descent Armor while the set bonus is removed correctly.

The way it is now I'm forced to either wear the whole set for the correct bonus or at least one piece for the correct bonus removal, otherwise the bug occurs.


Edit: I'm no native speaker. Please do tell me if I didn't make myself clear.

Modifié par Dr.Goodspeed, 16 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Bump!

Sorry Still a bit worried you don't understand what I'm talking about. Has no one else experienced the same problem? What could be a possible workaround?

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Just want to make sure you fix the right thing...

It would be really disappointing if there was a patch and this issue wasn't fixed.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Luke Barrett wrote...

There is an issue with passive bonuses from external sources (isabela's friendship buff for instance) incorrectly subtracting their effects without appropriately adding them. We're looking in to it.

Wait what? Does this mean that my friendship with Isabela is HURTING my rogue?

[Dr.Goodspeed]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Luke Barrett wrote...

There is an issue with passive bonuses from external sources (isabela's friendship buff for instance) incorrectly subtracting their effects without appropriately adding them. We're looking in to it.

Wait what? Does this mean that my friendship with Isabela is HURTING my rogue?

Apparently it does, but that's a different story. I'm pretty sure the bug I'm experiencing does not stem from the same source. The problem is not with the set bonus not being applied correctly or draining attribute points when it should raise them.

The problem is that once you have ever worn the full Last Descent Set the game only recognizes your correct status when you either wear the full Last Descent Set (set bonus is correctly applied), or when you wear at least one part of the Last Descent Set (set bonus is correctly NOT applied). When you wear no parts of the Set at all, even when you sell, stash or destroy the whole set, the set bonus appears in your ability tab without actually granting any bonuses.* If you then re-equip and unequip the armor again the bonus temporarily disappears from your abilities tab, but you lose 1 point of dexterity and 20 stamina. Save, Reload, Repeat and you will eventually lose all your dex & stam.


*Note: If you try this you have to save & reload for the bug to occur. It doesn't matter when or where you save and reload, only that it's after unequipping the whole set. That means that the bug WILL occur eventually if you continue playing normally after having unequipped the Last Descent Set.

[Abremms]

if it works correctly when you just remove one piece, can you just replace it one piece at a time, saving in between switches?

My rogue had the last descent set and replaced it over time to no visible ill effects.

[Luke Barrett]

I haven't seen any other reports of this but I'll write it up and investigate. To confirm:
- equip entire last descent set
- unequip entire set
- save and reload
- observe that you're missing the stats the set should have granted

The product, losing stats passively sounds like it stems from the same issues I was talking about - that said, it shouldn't think you have the set on when you don't so we'll investigate that.

AbsolutGrndZer0, currently there is an issue with Thumbs Up where the buff doesnt actually add anything to Hawke but it does subtract 5% when you remove it. Therefore, the more often the buff is toggled on/off Hawke (if you die or remove Isabela from your party) the slower you will get.

And as a side note, we're (UTC -07:00) here so not getting a response between midnight and ~8:00AM our time is pretty standard practice...though I guess it's my own fault for addressing the issue at 1AM

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Abremms wrote...

if it works correctly when you just remove one piece, can you just replace it one piece at a time, saving in between switches?

My rogue had the last descent set and replaced it over time to no visible ill effects.

Nope, that doesn't work either. At the moment I'm running around with only the chest piece equipped to avoid triggering the bug. When I remove or exchange that last piece of the set I'm wearing, then save & reload, the bug occurs again.

The reason why you didn't notice any ill effects could simply be that you didn't notice the set bonus was still shown in your abilities tab. Because other than that - provided that you don't re-equip and unequip any pieces of the set - it doesn't do anything. Your base stamina gets reduced by 20, your base dexterity gets reduced by 1. BUT since you get the set bonus although you're not wearing the set, you end up at exactly the correct base values - except they aren't your base values anymore.

Sounds a bit confusing I know, but did you understand what I mean? 

Luke Barrett wrote...

I haven't seen any other reports of this but I'll write it up and investigate. To confirm:
- equip entire last descent set
- unequip entire set
- save and reload
- observe that you're missing the stats the set should have granted

The
product, losing stats passively sounds like it stems from the same
issues I was talking about - that said, it shouldn't think you have the
set on when you don't so we'll investigate that.

AbsolutGrndZer0,
currently there is an issue with Thumbs Up where the buff doesnt
actually add anything to Hawke but it does subtract 5% when you remove
it. Therefore, the more often the buff is toggled on/off Hawke (if you
die or remove Isabela from your party) the slower you will get.

And
as a side note, we're (UTC -07:00) here so not getting a response
between midnight and ~8:00AM our time is pretty standard
practice...though I guess it's my own fault for addressing the issue at
1AM

Sorry, I didn't mean to be annoying. Just wanted to make sure this thread doesn't get lost and instead of just the usual "bump" I wanted to make I made perfectly clear how the bug I'm experiencing works!

Thank your for looking into this!
The way you have it written down should be the correct one to recreate the bug I'm referring to. However I'd maybe do it like this, just to make sure:

- Equip the whole Last Descent Set.
- Play for a while, transition to other areas, save a lot, etc. behaving "normally".
- Unequip the entire set.
- Save & Reload.
- Observe that the set bonus is still shown in your abilities tab.
- Observe that you actually lost attribute points (dex & stamina) which are now replaced by the "virtual" set bonus.
- To confirm this, just equip & unequip a piece of the set. Your dexterity will drop by 1 point and your stamina will drop by 20.

Modifié par Dr.Goodspeed, 16 mars 2011 - 04:10 .

[Luke Barrett]

Thanks for the instructions, it makes our job a lot easier. I have a feeling that when we fix the passive buff issue it will inadvertently fix this issue as well but just in case I'll bring this up as a separate issue.

Don't worry about feeling annoying, I'm more concerned with users feeling like noone is listening. I try as hard as I can to be up 24hrs a day but it just doesn't seem to be working!

[Eternal Dust]

Luke Barrett wrote...
AbsolutGrndZer0, currently there is an issue with Thumbs Up where the buff doesnt actually add anything to Hawke but it does subtract 5% when you remove it. Therefore, the more often the buff is toggled on/off Hawke (if you die or remove Isabela from your party) the slower you will get.

Does this stack on throughout the game or does it reset itself at some point?! This is a very serious problem. I notice that even though my Rogue has Speed sustained she's not actually any faster with it.

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Thanks for the instructions, it makes our job a lot easier. I have a feeling that when we fix the passive buff issue it will inadvertently fix this issue as well but just in case I'll bring this up as a separate issue.

Don't worry about feeling annoying, I'm more concerned with users feeling like noone is listening. I try as hard as I can to be up 24hrs a day but it just doesn't seem to be working!

Thank you, keep up the good work! I'll be on vacation for a week and I hope the patch will be out by the time I come back. INCLUDING a fix for my problem of course! 

[Nukenin]

EDIT: eliminated my trial-and-error rambling

My warrior once had the entire Armor of the Fallen set equipped.  Once I obtained Stonehammer Boots (the boots from the second warrior set), I equipped those boots and then over time have piecemeal replaced other Fallen pieces with random upgrades.

If I simply replace my Stonehammer Boots with "regular" boots, save then reload, I experience the issue.  My Abilities page shows the Fallen set bonus (+1 strength, +20 health), while my attributes have not been adjusted, and reequipping the Stonehammer Boots causes the set bonus to disappear along with the corresponding drop in attributes.

So it may be that the only way to stave off this attribute attrition is to always have a set piece (any set piece) equipped?

I really hope Bioware rapidly addresses this issue and the corresponding friendship buff issues with Isabela/Sebastian as they've kinda put a sudden stop to my DA2 momentum. 

Modifié par Nukenin, 17 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

AbsolutGrndZer0, currently there is an issue with Thumbs Up where the buff doesnt actually add anything to Hawke but it does subtract 5% when you remove it. Therefore, the more often the buff is toggled on/off Hawke (if you die or remove Isabela from your party) the slower you will get.

Ok, that is a serious game-breaking bug... a rouge is all about speed... this bug needs to be put at or near the top as a major priority (along with the one in this thread, as it seems to have the same effect)

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Nukenin wrote...

EDIT: eliminated my trial-and-error rambling

My warrior once had the entire Armor of the Fallen set equipped.  Once I obtained Stonehammer Boots (the boots from the second warrior set), I equipped those boots and then over time have piecemeal replaced other Fallen pieces with random upgrades.

If I simply replace my Stonehammer Boots with "regular" boots, save then reload, I experience the issue.  My Abilities page shows the Fallen set bonus (+1 strength, +20 health), while my attributes have not been adjusted, and reequipping the Stonehammer Boots causes the set bonus to disappear along with the corresponding drop in attributes.

So it may be that the only way to stave off this attribute attrition is to always have a set piece (any set piece) equipped?

I really hope Bioware rapidly addresses this issue and the corresponding friendship buff issues with Isabela/Sebastian as they've kinda put a sudden stop to my DA2 momentum. 

Good to hear I'm not the only one with that bug! That should definitely raise the chances for it to be fixed. I'm inclined to agree with your theory, your current "set bonus status" seems only to be recognized correctly with either a full set or at least one piece of a set, but unfortunately I can't test and confirm it with pieces from other sets right now since I only have the Last Descent Set.

I also agree with the momentum thing. Contrary to many other people I think that, at least until now, DA2 is one of the best RPGs I've ever played, and I've played them all. Baldur's Gate Saga, NWN, KotOR, etc. Up until now I invested my time accordingly and had a lot of fun, but then I stumbled across the set bug, re-specc bug and read about the companion bugs and this really made me stop playing until that stuff is fixed. It's really annoying to check every 5 minutes and after every reload if you're bugged.

As I mentioned above I'm luckily on vacation for the next 7 days and I hope there's a patch until then.

[El Dani]

This bug is still in effect, even after installing patch 1.02 (given, with a character created before the patch). No Last Descent equipped (incorrectly) shows the bonus, only the helmet equipped does (correctly) not show the bonus.

In addition, I just noticed that my stamina has also gradually diminished over the course of many levels (currently at 74 with 16 willpower). My level 15 Hawke has been ruined beyond fixing and I've lost the fun and excitement of playing this game.

Modifié par El Dani, 12 avril 2011 - 10:51 .

[Mongoose22]

El Dani wrote...

This bug is still in effect, even after installing patch 1.02 (given, with a character created before the patch). No Last Descent equipped (incorrectly) shows the bonus, only the helmet equipped does (correctly) not show the bonus.

In addition, I just noticed that my stamina has also gradually diminished over the course of many levels (currently at 74 with 16 willpower). My level 15 Hawke has been ruined beyond fixing and I've lost the fun and excitement of playing this game.

Try this: run the game with your latest save where you can change your party.  Dismiss all your party members, turn off all your spells, and take off all your equipment, then save your game in a new slot (or quick save).

Next, open your new save in a save game editor.  Look for the following values (these are from my own characters, so take with a grain of salt):

• Health: base is 50; modifier is 50 for warrior, 25 for rogue, 0 for mage.
• Mana: base is 50; modifier is 0 for warrior, 25 for rogue, 50 for mage.
• Health_Reserve_Percentage, Mana_Reserve_Percentage, Damage_Resistance, Magic Resistance, and Animation_Speed_Modifier should all be 0 and 0, unless you have talents that modify them, in which case your modifier might be positive.

If your stamina is as bad as you say, then one of the Mana or Mana_Reserve_Percentage values is horribly wrong and negative and needs to be fixed with the editor, I'm wagering.  With 16 Willpower your Hawke should have 130 stamina as a warrior or 155 as a rogue.  NOTE: The Current Mana value never shows up with the right value for me in the editor, but the value in game is correct.  Odd.  Regardless, once you're stripped down, the base should always be the same, and the modifier should only have talent values.

Modifié par Mongoose22, 14 avril 2011 - 07:39 .