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[Jayce]

Who's is she?

I'm suprised I haven't seen the bombshell Flemeth drops when you revive her from the amulet discussed yet.

FYI: When Flemeth mentions Morrigan in passing. Hawke says, "I'm not sure you're describing a daughter or an enemy..." 
Flemeth's reply: "She's neither."

[Pileyourbodies]

She meant that Morrigan isn't sure whether or not to treat flemeth like her mother or like an enemy.

You're misunderstanding what Flemeth is saying.

[Icy Magebane]

No, Morrigan was some kid that Flemeth stole, or so we were led to believe. Why would you think she's her natural daughter? All the legends say that Flemeth stole children.

[October Sixth]

Maric

[Icy Magebane]

Gross. You know what that means if she did the ritual with Alistair... GROSS. Also, impossible because the writers won't allow that.

[TexasToast712]

Jayce F wrote...

Who's is she?

I'm suprised I haven't seen the bombshell Flemeth drops when you revive her from the amulet discussed yet.

FYI: When Flemeth mentions Morrigan in passing. Hawke says, "I'm not sure you're describing a daughter or an enemy..." 
Flemeth's reply: "She's neither."

 She is impyling that Morrigan also thinks about Flemeth as Hawke does. Morrigan isnt sure if Flemeth is either her mother or enemy.

you also misquoted Flemeth. She says "Neither is she."

[Pileyourbodies]

I wasn't saying she was natural daughter of course shes her for lack of a better term adoptive mother.

[TexasToast712]

October Sixth wrote...

Maric

I think she used maric to have another daughter other than Morrigan that we have yet to see. The legend does tell of Flemeth's many daughters.

[Darian Tylmare]

TexasToast712 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Maric

I think she used maric to have another daughter other than Morrigan that we have yet to see. The legend does tell of Flemeth's many daughters.

Does she really biologically conceive children. That seems rather... disturbing.
And I think Maric would have been scarred for life.

[Taleroth]

TexasToast712 wrote...

you also misquoted Flemeth. She says "Neither is she."

This is pretty important to this discussion.

[TexasToast712]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Maric

I think she used maric to have another daughter other than Morrigan that we have yet to see. The legend does tell of Flemeth's many daughters.

Does she really biologically conceive children. That seems rather... disturbing.
And I think Maric would have been scarred for life.

Doesnt matter as he "mysteriously disappeared at sea"

Flemeth used his ass and discarded him. LOL

[Darian Tylmare]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Doesnt matter as he "mysteriously disappeared at sea"

Flemeth used his ass and discarded him. LOL

Yeah, a dragon came along and roasted his boat after screaming: "When did you think you would pay the alimony for your daughter?"

[Icy Magebane]

If Morrigan doesn't consider Flemeth an enemy, why was she afraid for her life when she discovered the Black Grimoire? At the very least, she feared being possessed, because she had the Warden "kill" Flemeth.  Even during Witch Hunt, she seemed be opposing Flemeth's plan.  So does that mean that Morrigan is the one being tricked and that Flemeth is leading her to draw certain conclusions, and using her as a pawn in her grand scheme?

Honestly, I don't even know how to intelligently discuss this. Morrigan couldn't be trusted, so it's possible that everything she said was a lie. So basically, how can we speculate on anything if the parties involve are both known liars who mislead so masterfully?

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 16 mars 2011 - 05:33 .

[Darian Tylmare]

Icy Magebane wrote...

If Morrigan doesn't consider Flemeth an enemy, why was she afraid for her life when she discovered the Black Grimoire? At the very least, she feared being possessed, because she had the Warden "kill" Flemeth.

Honestly, I don't even know how to intelligently discuss this. Morrigan couldn't be trusted, so it's possible that everything she said was a lie. So basically, how can we speculate on anything if the parties involve are all known liars who mislead so masterfully?

If they lie about the same fact you know that the opposite is true.
Wasn't there a riddle like this?

[Jayce]

Possibly. Its the impression Kate Mulgrew's delivery left me with. Is it meant as "Neither is she" or "Neither, is she"?

[Icy Magebane]

Actually, I don't know anything and I don't like riddles. The whole situation is confusing. When lies are involved, I can't come to any solid conclusions.

[TexasToast712]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Doesnt matter as he "mysteriously disappeared at sea"

Flemeth used his ass and discarded him. LOL

Yeah, a dragon came along and roasted his boat after screaming: "When did you think you would pay the alimony for your daughter?"

No. I mean she captured him at sea THEN used him to conceive. (<--right spelling?)

Modifié par TexasToast712, 16 mars 2011 - 05:36 .

[Darian Tylmare]

TexasToast712 wrote...

No. I mean she captured him at sea THEN used him to conceive. (<--right spelling?)

Ok, I think this is timewise more or less impossible. Somewhere around the time Maric disappers she maybe kidnapped Morrigan already.
And, please could we stop talking about Flemeth getting it on?

[TexasToast712]

Icy Magebane wrote...

If Morrigan doesn't consider Flemeth an enemy, why was she afraid for her life when she discovered the Black Grimoire? At the very least, she feared being possessed, because she had the Warden "kill" Flemeth.  Even during Witch Hunt, she seemed be opposing Flemeth's plan.  So does that mean that Morrigan is the one being tricked and that Flemeth is leading her to draw certain conclusions, and using her as a pawn in her grand scheme?

Honestly, I don't even know how to intelligently discuss this. Morrigan couldn't be trusted, so it's possible that everything she said was a lie. So basically, how can we speculate on anything if the parties involve are both known liars who mislead so masterfully?

The Flemeth you resurrected is a part of Flemeth that isnt particularly sure whether or not Morrigan has already sent the Warden to kill her. Its only a piece of Flemeth and doesnt have the memories of the events that happen to the Flemeth that rescues Alistair and the Warden after talking with Hawke. Listen to the conversation again and you will see what Iam talking about.

[NKKKK]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Maric

I think she used maric to have another daughter other than Morrigan that we have yet to see. The legend does tell of Flemeth's many daughters.

 

Does she really biologically conceive children. That seems rather... disturbing.
And I think Maric would have been scarred for life.

You know Flemeth was young at one point, or several points.

Modifié par NKKKK, 16 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[TexasToast712]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

No. I mean she captured him at sea THEN used him to conceive. (<--right spelling?)

Ok, I think this is timewise more or less impossible. Somewhere around the time Maric disappers she maybe kidnapped Morrigan already.
And, please could we stop talking about Flemeth getting it on?

She could have left this mystery daughter with another resurrected Flemeth piece in another country, and no, Flemeth in DA2 is hot and sadly I want a DAII Flemeth apperance romance option. LOL

[Icy Magebane]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

If Morrigan doesn't consider Flemeth an enemy, why was she afraid for her life when she discovered the Black Grimoire? At the very least, she feared being possessed, because she had the Warden "kill" Flemeth.  Even during Witch Hunt, she seemed be opposing Flemeth's plan.  So does that mean that Morrigan is the one being tricked and that Flemeth is leading her to draw certain conclusions, and using her as a pawn in her grand scheme?

Honestly, I don't even know how to intelligently discuss this. Morrigan couldn't be trusted, so it's possible that everything she said was a lie. So basically, how can we speculate on anything if the parties involve are both known liars who mislead so masterfully?

The Flemeth you resurrected is a part of Flemeth that isnt particularly sure whether or not Morrigan has already sent the Warden to kill her. Its only a piece of Flemeth and doesnt have the memories of the events that happen to the Flemeth that rescues Alistair and the Warden after talking with Hawke. Listen to the conversation again and you will see what Iam talking about.

Are you serious?  So this "piece" of Flemeth isn't the full consciousness???  Damn, how could I have missed that?  Alright, I think I need to find a save file close to that point or read the wiki... Flemeth was never this confusing.  It's interesting though... I just need more information.

[Darian Tylmare]

TexasToast712 wrote...


She could have left this mystery daughter with another resurrected Flemeth piece in another country, and no, Flemeth in DA2 is hot and sadly I want a DAII Flemeth apperance romance option. LOL

That's a possibility, but we don'T know how her "splitting" power works. Maybe it's tied to the amulett or one specific item at a time and has only some years until the effect wears off. But maybe you are right and there are more witches somewhere in the uninhabitat parts of Thedas.
And until someone tells me otherwise I consider Flemeth's DA2 outfit as just another shape shifting form.

[ChloeRion]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Maric

I think she used maric to have another daughter other than Morrigan that we have yet to see. The legend does tell of Flemeth's many daughters.

Does she really biologically conceive children. That seems rather... disturbing.
And I think Maric would have been scarred for life.

Morrigan covered that already, she does snag the occasional chasint man which I assume was the same for Morrigan's father. Flemeth had many daughters but they never said all at once. It wouldn't make that much sense, there's no way Flemeth would have time to prepare another vessel without Morrigan being aware of another sibling.

As for her fragmenting, the Horocrux(s) work the same way in Harry Potter. PLacing fragments of your self into an object, more so in a physical sense in Flemeth's case. Shes not at full power but she has more then enough to replenish herself.

In the end it all comes down to the fact some of Bioware's characters are Godmod. Flemeth appears to be one, for the moment anyways.

Modifié par ChloeRion, 16 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[TexasToast712]

Darian Tylmare wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...


She could have left this mystery daughter with another resurrected Flemeth piece in another country, and no, Flemeth in DA2 is hot and sadly I want a DAII Flemeth apperance romance option. LOL

That's a possibility, but we don'T know how her "splitting" power works. Maybe it's tied to the amulett or one specific item at a time and has only some years until the effect wears off. But maybe you are right and there are more witches somewhere in the uninhabitat parts of Thedas.
And until someone tells me otherwise I consider Flemeth's DA2 outfit as just another shape shifting form.

She pulled a Voldermort.