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[Iles]

I'm not an usual forum frequenter, but I've just beaten DA2 and I was curious about how people reacted to Anders's behaviour. I read of people hating him for what he did, and people ready to forgive him.
Personally I liked the old Anders, even if he was way too similar to Alistair, but I simply love the new one. His romance is so deep it hurts, I must admit I cried when I found out he was cheating on me with the whole "freeing myself from Justice" thing, I cried because I wasn't able to save him from himself.
Hence my proposal: how many people would like to see some Anders-dedicated DLC, in which you can actually find a way to free him from Vengeance? Personally, I'd love it. Something in which I could go on a hard quest to help him struggle against the real thing that keeps him chained and finally be truly free (and maybe without dying the next moment  )
We can consider this thread some kind of "online petition"...

[Isaidlunch]

Very unlikely that they'd make a DLC only available to some people. So unless Anders "gets better" I don't see it happening.

[Goldens]

Would like to see an actual exorcism ritual. Justice pops out, and goes to wreak havoc in the war; with the loss of Justice, Anders gets his old wit and voice back. ;-)

But as it happens, I just put in another thread:

Dragon Age 2: Fugitive!

Diplomatically network Kirkwall's surviving mages together: resolving disputes between apostates and Circle mages, handling templars who want to join because they had joined mages to overthrow Meredith, and fending off oodles of improbably-sized spiders.

Maybe you search for Flemeth to try to enlist her aide... or at least to hear eight or ten new cryptic lines.

[MsKehoe]

Pretty similar to Witchhunt therefore plausible! and I'd buy it.

[Iles]

Dragon Age 2: Fugitive!

Diplomatically network Kirkwall's surviving mages together: resolving disputes between apostates and Circle mages, handling templars who want to join because they had joined mages to overthrow Meredith, and fending off oodles of improbably-sized spiders.

Well maybe that will be DA3 plot! 

[crotti]

I'd buy it

[ChloeRion]

Wait....HE CHEATED ON ME!?

[highcastle]

I adore Anders and his romance arc, but I think any DLC needs to be handled delicately. For one, he's dead in at least some people's games. Now, being possessed by Justice/Vengeance might provide a work around (it worked once already, after all), but the devs would have to be careful so as not to cheat some people out of their choices.

Also...I have a hard time imagining the right direction for a DLC. Personally, even my Hawke who ran away with his apostate lover is going to have a hard time getting a happy ending. At the end of the day, Anders killed a lot of innocent people. Separating him from Justice isn't going to change that. It might just compound the guilt. Let's not forget Anders expected to die for what he did. I think he even wanted to die. I just have a hard time imagining any post game DLC to be a bed of roses. Now, I'm all up for more tragedy, but I don't think I'm in the majority on that one.

Despite all this, hell yes I want Anders DLC. His was the most compelling story arc in DA2 for me. I love it for all it punched me in the gut and made me consider all sorts of unpleasant emotions, and I'm more than willing to get a taste of more.

[Goldens]

For playthroughs where Anders died, could Justice find another willing body? If you killed Anders, you could have one white-knuckled DLC time trying to get away from that glow-faced haunting, tracking you mercilessly from hill to dale -- and maybe he just has a "message."

Who would be the willing body? (ducks for incoming Isabella jokes)

[Iles]

Well, you can always solve the playthroughs problem with two different stories, one importing your Hawke and one creating a brand new character. Same purpose, different ways. Imagination is the only limit

And about the "bed of roses" remark... neither do I think life with Anders will be easy for my heartbreaken Hawke, but one of the things that fantasy tradition teaches us is that redemption should be granted to anyone, no matter how horrible their crimes are.
I'm a romantic kind of person, real life is just sad enough, at least when I play I like to keep hope alive

[maselphie]

More Anders? YESH PLZ.

[Evindell]

I'm of the mind that any initial DLC will be things that happened "between" the years. So, yes, there could be a lot of opportunities to see your companions.

What would be really nice (and I say that because I want it so bad) would be a DLC that happens post-game (which there should be because I have a whole save for 'post-game') where your initial companion is the only one that didn't leave you. For me, though, that would be Fenris, not Anders. Even though I didn't kill Anders, because, even in the face of Sebastian's anger (who I actually liked, unlike some people on this forum), I couldn't stomach stabbing my friend in the back-especially after already losing so many people-I wouldn't expect him to have his own entire DLC, unless it was a sort of "oh, you can meet Anders again and help him with his problem". Which, you could either meet up with him, or already have him there, depending on your end-game.

[fantasypisces]

I would be all for an Anders DLC, but unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen since he is now dead in a lot of people's playthroughs. (for that matter I now think he is pretty much scrapped from the rest of the series except for maybe a cameo, which is probably fine because I'm 99% positive DA3 will be another new protagonist).

But I think there absolutely must be post game dlc/expansion because there was no end of the game, talk about cliff-hanger.

[juweee]

I'd vote for that as a DLC.

Even if you do go and kill him, you never find his body (unlike Fenris's if you kill him). Plus if you read his short story in the Valentine's Day romance thread, he takes a sword thrust through the torso and doesn't even feel it.

Oh yeah. Anders got it happenin.

[Goldens]

Evindell wrote...
What would be really nice (and I say that because I want it so bad) would be a DLC that happens post-game (which there should be because I have a whole save for 'post-game') where your initial companion is the only one that didn't leave you.

Agreed, that would be best.  Out of everything that happened in the game's ending, the one small satisfaction was the continuity of one companion sticking with me, even if we're on the run.

In no other way did Hawke get to resolve something.

[Milana_Saros]

Iles wrote...

Hence my proposal: how many people would like to see some Anders-dedicated DLC, in which you can actually find a way to free him from Vengeance?

I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I had thought that my ME romance with Kaidan was my everlasting number 1 but Anders came and blew that through a mass relay...several in fact. Not only is the romance delicisiously tragic, deep, emotional and beautiful but Anders as a person is very interesting as well. Not just the good guy who follows Hawke around.

[Aithieel]

fantasypisces wrote...

I would be all for an Anders DLC, but unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen since he is now dead in a lot of people's playthroughs. (for that matter I now think he is pretty much scrapped from the rest of the series except for maybe a cameo, which is probably fine because I'm 99% positive DA3 will be another new protagonist).

But I think there absolutely must be post game dlc/expansion because there was no end of the game, talk about cliff-hanger.

Yeah I'am afraid about that too but there wasn't really end-game so it has to be ended somehow (epansion or dlc). I'am sure people who let him life/run away with him are curious of next events. Let's hope BioWare won't forget this audience and problem won't be solved just in few sentences.

[berelinde]

I would buy it. I would pay a lot for it.

[syllogi]

fantasypisces wrote...

I would be all for an Anders DLC, but unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen since he is now dead in a lot of people's playthroughs. (for that matter I now think he is pretty much scrapped from the rest of the series except for maybe a cameo, which is probably fine because I'm 99% positive DA3 will be another new protagonist).

But I think there absolutely must be post game dlc/expansion because there was no end of the game, talk about cliff-hanger.

Even if Anders died, Justice is still around.  He may need a new host, or he may animate Anders' dead body, but the spirit can keep going.

I really, really love the idea of Anders DLC.  If my Hawke who romanced him could save him in the end, or at least make sure he's at peace, that would make all of the misery and angst of the game worth the trouble.

[Iles]

fantasypisces wrote...

I would be all for an Anders DLC, but unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen since he is now dead in a lot of people's playthroughs. (for that matter I now think he is pretty much scrapped from the rest of the series except for maybe a cameo, which is probably fine because I'm 99% positive DA3 will be another new protagonist).

Don't forget he's a spirit healer and he shares his body with a spirit from the Fade... would it be so strange if he actually survived your backstab or whatever?

[Goldens]

What if the DLC were a quest to kill Justice in the Fade for his endgame actions? If there's an Anders body alive, there could be a scene at the end where he's freed, with romance where it applies.

Most of the DLC could be about preparing a ritual, with actual entry into the Fade happening later. That way you don't spend the whole time in the Fade, which is a little nauseating to look at.

[Searska]

Oh heck yes. Even if it involved extensive time in the Fade, I'd do it. Exorcise Anders DLC!!

[fantasypisces]

TeenZombie wrote...

fantasypisces wrote...

I would be all for an Anders DLC, but unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen since he is now dead in a lot of people's playthroughs. (for that matter I now think he is pretty much scrapped from the rest of the series except for maybe a cameo, which is probably fine because I'm 99% positive DA3 will be another new protagonist).

But I think there absolutely must be post game dlc/expansion because there was no end of the game, talk about cliff-hanger.

Even if Anders died, Justice is still around.  He may need a new host, or he may animate Anders' dead body, but the spirit can keep going.

I really, really love the idea of Anders DLC.  If my Hawke who romanced him could save him in the end, or at least make sure he's at peace, that would make all of the misery and angst of the game worth the trouble.

Oh shoot, that's a good point.

If Anders is alive, you have tormented Anders.
If Anders is dead you have Justice controlling the corpse, ala Awakenings style.

Either way there are quests to free the body (whether alive or dead) of Justice/Vengeance.

The only problem is both cases would need a different voice actor, which is a lot of investment on Biowares part.

But it could be gathering elements for the ritual, then having to track someone down that could help do it, someone who is powerful enough to rip a spirit from a body (Morrigan or Flemeth?). If Anders is alive he can help throughout most of the gathering.

But the last fight would be against uber spell casting Justice/Vengeance, who either shows up (if Anders is a corpse) or takes over Ander's body (if he is alive, Anders loses control if you will). Then you have to defeath him while super duper cameo magic person performs the right. 

Or similarly, the right blasts Justice/vengeance into the fade, then you are sent in there after him to destroy him once and for all.

That would be cool.

[Dr. Nexas]

Only if I get to shank him again.

[Iles]

I'm not sure I'd like the idea of "killing" Vengeance, I'd just like to convert him back to Justice... which means separate him from Anders as well.
I think that what happened wasn't completely Justice's fault nor Anders's, it's just Vengeance's who is a mix of both them. Anders would have never done such a thing before, he's a healer and he would have never killed so many people. Justice is the embodiment of the virtue and he would have never killed so many innocent people. It's just that... they simply don't mix. Anders's hatred + Justice's extremism = Vengeance.

Anyhow, back to the original topic.
I sincerely don't care "how" the DLC story would be as long as there _is_ a way to free Anders (or kill him for good if you're on the "Anders must pay with his life" side), which is the thing that hurt me more because I deeply wanted to bring him back to his old self.

Modifié par Iles, 16 mars 2011 - 04:45 .