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[The Cannibal Factory]

plumededragop wrote...

Sebastian is a DLC character, and
seeing how things end... it could also mean that he'll be back in DA3.
It's up to all kind of interpretation.

Ugh, I hope not. I haven't bought him and don't intend to - I won't buy Day 1 DLC on principle. So a DLC about a DLC would be rather pushing it (and we've never had a DLC character become a main one in a subsequent insallment yet)  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


But back to Anders.... I have to admit I'd be very tempted to buy a post-game DLC on him. Even if the player killed him, it would be ridiculously easy to just go with Justice saving him (Anders' may have wanted to be martyred but it's clear Justice is afraid of death - so afraid he broke his own tennets to join with a living host). There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Justice could just use Anders' healing magic to save his host.

Either way, if he did die, his legacy is huge - he kickstarted a massive war, circles are falling across Thedas and the Chantry is losing its grip on the people AND the Templars. Even if we never see his face again, I'd be shocked if he doesn't get mentioned a lot in any subsequent games/DLC. I'd love to seesome Kolgrim-esque mage cults myself lol.

Anders... short for Andraste... he was the second coming [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

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Modifié par Lady Vengeance, 25 avril 2011 - 10:49 .

[plumededragop]

Anders being mentioned is most likely, I agree. After all, he's the one who got the bright idea to blow up the chantry (sorry I hate the fact that he did that)
But Anders coming back from death... I don't know about that. There was that spirit that saved Wynne back in DAO, BUT it was a kind spirit. Anders had Vengeance.
Maybe I'm seeing top far ahead but if Vengeance do save Anders, he'd most likely become an abomination like Uldred. (I sent Anders away so I personnaly won't have to worry about that, but I'd like to see what happens for people who killed him in their game... if something does happen.)

Modifié par plumededragop, 25 avril 2011 - 10:50 .

[The Cannibal Factory]

plumededragop wrote...

Anders being mentioned is most likely, I agree. After all, he's the one who got the bright idea to blow up the chantry (sorry I hate the fact that he did that)
But Anders coming back from death... I don't know about that. There was that spirit that saved Wynne back in DAO, BUT it was a kind spirit. Anders had Vengeance, not Justice.
Maybe I'm seeing to far ahead but if Vengeance do save Anders, he'd most likely become an abomination like Uldred. (I sent Anders away so I personnaly won't have to worry about that, but I'd like to see what happens for people who killed him in their game... if something does happen.)

The big difference is that all other Spirits and Demons exist in the Fade and infect people from there. Wynne's Spirit of Faith and Connor's desire demon for example. That's why you have to go into the Fade and kill the demon there to save Connor, if you take that route.

However, Justice was thrown out and basically severed by a freak accident. Unlike Demons, he had never coveted mortals or wanted to visit their realm. Now, since then, he has ended up taking actions he wouldn't have agreed with previously - joining with Anders being the big one - out of necessity.

But he's VERY touchy about being called a Demon. He's become a lot more complex and, well, "humanised" outside of the Fade, so even though he still aspires to be Justice, he can't help but be an imperfect version (ie, Vengeance).

Besides, if you think of Justice as a concept, it is meant to be immortal and unyielding and never give up. There's no way Justice would have happily let Anders' lie down and die after only *one* little Chantry bomb! He'd be pressing for more MORE MORE... MORE JUSTICE!

[plumededragop]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Anders being mentioned is most likely, I agree. After all, he's the one who got the bright idea to blow up the chantry (sorry I hate the fact that he did that)
But Anders coming back from death... I don't know about that. There was that spirit that saved Wynne back in DAO, BUT it was a kind spirit. Anders had Vengeance, not Justice.
Maybe I'm seeing to far ahead but if Vengeance do save Anders, he'd most likely become an abomination like Uldred. (I sent Anders away so I personnaly won't have to worry about that, but I'd like to see what happens for people who killed him in their game... if something does happen.)

The big difference is that all other Spirits and Demons exist in the Fade and infect people from there. Wynne's Spirit of Faith and Connor's desire demon for example. That's why you have to go into the Fade and kill the demon there to save Connor, if you take that route.

However, Justice was thrown out and basically severed by a freak accident. Unlike Demons, he had never coveted mortals or wanted to visit their realm. Now, since then, he has ended up taking actions he wouldn't have agreed with previously - joining with Anders being the big one - out of necessity.

But he's VERY touchy about being called a Demon. He's become a lot more complex and, well, "humanised" outside of the Fade, so even though he still aspires to be Justice, he can't help but be an imperfect version (ie, Vengeance).

Besides, if you think of Justice as a concept, it is meant to be immortal and unyielding and never give up. There's no way Justice would have happily let Anders' lie down and die after only *one* little Chantry bomb! He'd be pressing for more MORE MORE... MORE JUSTICE!

That's right, Anders wasn't possessed by Vengeance to begin with, Justice became Vengeance because Anders had too much anger... and the mage regrets that in the Rivalry path, begging Hawke to kill him (but because of the bugs it's not working yet).

However, we don't know what become of Vengeance if Anders is killed. I remember in Awakening (well in my game actually), in the epilogue Justice left Kristoff's body after his wife couldn't stand seeing her dead husband like this anymore. (though I wonder how he did that, as he told the Warden that he was stuck...)

But can you imagine Vengeance possessing Anders's dead body? Seeing a living dead walking around, loosing piece of flesh as time goes by... ergh...
Poor Anders, I think he'd deserve some peace, somehow...

Modifié par plumededragop, 25 avril 2011 - 11:19 .

[The Cannibal Factory]

plumededragop wrote...
That's right, Anders wasn't possessed by Vengeance to begin with, Justice became Vengeance because Anders had too much anger... and the mage regrets that in the Rivalry path, begging Hawke to kill him (but because of the bugs it's not working yet).

However, we don't know what become of Vengeance if Anders is killed. I remember in Awakening (well in my game actually), in the epilogue Justice left Kristoff's body after his wife couldn't stand seeing her dead husband like this anymore. (though I wonder how he did that, as he told the Warden that he was stuck...)

But can you imagine Vengeance possessing Anders's dead body? Seeing a living dead walking around, loosing piece of flesh as time goes by... ergh...
Poor Anders, I think he'd deserve some peace, somehow...

I doubt Justice would let Anders' soul/spirit fly off - they're basically symbiotic, so it would be like losing half of himself. They're too intertwined. Unlike a Demon, Justice didn't supplant the person and take control of their body - he has fused with him to some degree.

Also, you raise another big reason why I think Justice would definitely keep Anders' alive - he didn't seem to enjoy being stuck in Kristoff's decaying corpse in Awakenings! It's illogical for him to simply lie down and let Anders' body die, when all that healing magic is there, where there is so much JUSTICE to visit upon the world! hehe

I think most people got the epilogue where Justice sees Kristoff's wife one last time and disappears. I'm pretty sure that whole thing has been retconned out of the Canon, alongside any routes which didn't lead to Anders becoming a Grey Warden and meeting Justice

[sonoko]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Sebastian is a DLC character, and
seeing how things end... it could also mean that he'll be back in DA3.
It's up to all kind of interpretation.

Ugh, I hope not. I haven't bought him and don't intend to - I won't buy Day 1 DLC on principle. So a DLC about a DLC would be rather pushing it (and we've never had a DLC character become a main one in a subsequent insallment yet)  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


But back to Anders.... I have to admit I'd be very tempted to buy a post-game DLC on him. Even if the player killed him, it would be ridiculously easy to just go with Justice saving him (Anders' may have wanted to be martyred but it's clear Justice is afraid of death - so afraid he broke his own tennets to join with a living host). There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Justice could just use Anders' healing magic to save his host.

Either way, if he did die, his legacy is huge - he kickstarted a massive war, circles are falling across Thedas and the Chantry is losing its grip on the people AND the Templars. Even if we never see his face again, I'd be shocked if he doesn't get mentioned a lot in any subsequent games/DLC. I'd love to seesome Kolgrim-esque mage cults myself lol.

Anders... short for Andraste... he was the second coming [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

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I'd definitely like to see Anders' cult too! Possibly with living deity - since Justice is immortal and Justice and Anders are pretty much the same... 

[JadeyGeek]

I'm all for the Anders DLC but imagine the irony if Justice was to possess Fenris after Anders dies! I mean he's got enough anger for a spirit of vengence to picnic on!

[The Cannibal Factory]

JadeyGeek wrote...

I'm all for the Anders DLC but imagine the irony if Justice was to possess Fenris after Anders dies! I mean he's got enough anger for a spirit of vengence to picnic on!

Eeek... lyrium junkie time! What a thought! I think he'd draw the line at leaping into an unwilling host though...



But now I'm getting flashes to that old Steve Martin movie, All of Me... Where the soul of a millionairess accidently gets dropped into his body and they end up having to share it - then she gets accidently passed around, getting stuck in a bowl of water, and a Jazz man etc.. etc... <3

Modifié par Lady Vengeance, 25 avril 2011 - 01:55 .

[JadeyGeek]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

Eeek... lyrium junkie time! What a thought! I think he'd draw the line at leaping into an unwilling host though...



But now I'm getting flashes to that old Steve Martin movie, All of Me... Where the soul of a millionairess accidently gets dropped into his body and they end up having to share it - then she gets accidently passed around, getting stuck in a bowl of water, and a Jazz man etc.. etc... <3

hehe! Justice could do the rounds maybe! give each party member a go!  I would love to see some DLC which gives an insight as to what Hawke gets up to after battling it out with meridith and orsino.

[Conceicao]

yes. nuff said.

[Iles]

Celestina wrote...
David Gaider, get to work! And keep Jennifer Hepler out of this…I want the real Anders back. <_<

I totally agree with this.

nekhbet wrote...
DA2 Anders is the real Anders... people
change when stuff happens to them, and Anders has had a lot of bad stuff
happen to him.

And I totally disagree with this!
Awakening!Anders was the real Anders. DA2!Anders is Anders+Justice and later on Vengeance+Anders. He didn't change in a natural way, he didn't become more mature or whatever, he just "took a spirit inside him and changed himself forever". If there was a way to separate them, I suppose that Anders could never be the same again, but in my optimistic vision he'd be a good mix between his former bright and lighthearted self and the angst and depressed self he became in DA2. Which is totally ok for me.

kromify wrote...
from one of heplers posts i gather that
there will be a seb dlc. anders might have a cameo in that... or i hope
as the companion who never left if hawke continues his/her story. i
highly doubt that he will get his own dlc though; justice cannot be
removed. bioware covered that

Another one? And I thought that the first fail was enough... I really hope there won't be any more Sebastian.
And about Justice... where is stated that he cannot be removed? Because if you're referring to what Anders said ingame, that's what Anders knows/thinks, not necessary the truth. And even if that's the truth... in a fantasy setting you can do or change whatever you want, if the creator/s allow you to.

[shedevil3001]

i would love to see an anders dlc there are so many possibilities, i wasn't keen on him in awakening, but after playing da2 a few times and rivalmancing him i thought he was the most interestingest character, he has the most potential for any future story imho, and yes theres those that killed him and took pleasure in doing so that will disagree with my post, but even elthina says in da2 herself murder is murder no matter how justified it feels, so killing anders when he could be given a chance to fix his mess makes no sense to me, thats why he lives in all my games *everyone deserves a chance to make things right*

Modifié par shedevil3001, 04 mai 2011 - 02:09 .

[cmessaz]

Well, personally I'm gonna say that I do prefer DA2 Anders. If he reverted back it would make no sense to me. 1. It's been years, he's grown up. 2. He's done a lot of things that would change anybody. People who rival romance him see his struggle a little better. I don't see him ever going back to Awakening Anders. But I totally support and Anders related DLC.

[Dorothyell]

YES! YES! Definitely yes! Set our sweet apostate free please! ) I'm sure there's a way to make it fit with the original script somehow...

[Agamo45]

I killed the bastard everytime, so such a DLC would be inaccessable to me.

[HTTP 404]

my anders is dead. this is useless.

[Chiramu]

The problem with an Anders DLC is that if you can kill him.

Sure in my first playthrough I stuck with him cause of romance, but if you side with templars and let him go he betrays you and he dies. Or you could kill him at the behest of Sebastian.
What would happen to those playthroughs for this DLC?

Seems more like an idea for a fanfiction than an actual canon story.

Bioware needs to take into more factors than just one playthrough to make something work and make sense to everyone, because you can choose different paths.

[chibievil]

i love to to play it, if it ever got released. I love the anders/justice thing, but free him to get his old self back, yes please

[Chiramu]

chibievil wrote...

i love to to play it, if it ever got released. I love the anders/justice thing, but free him to get his old self back, yes please

You can have the choice of killing him, and sometimes Anders forces you to kill him /facepalm.

[Leon481]

I would buy an Anders DLC. The only reason to even let him live is to hope for the chance to redeem him.

Even with the argument that you could have killed him, it could work if it was an optional quest in a larger DLC or an Awakening-like expansion. I think that's the most likely scenario to see his story continued and overall would probably sell better than an Anders only DLC. It would be a win both for us fans and the developers. I'm hoping for this far more than an Anders only DLC (though that would be appreciated too).

Modifié par Leon481, 17 mai 2011 - 11:51 .

[DeaHamlet]

 I'd love some Anders DLC.  But I'm not holding my breath.
As to him "betraying" a Hawke that sides with the templars, that's laughable.  He's not betraying anyone, he goes where he belongs... to defend the mages, to fight for the mage cause.  I don't see why people always go "OMG he betrayed me".  

As to him being revived by Justice, Gaider already said if you killed Anders, he's dead.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/306/index/6864288/3#6909424

Modifié par DeaHamlet, 17 mai 2011 - 12:08 .

[andrastesASS]

honestly, im not gonna lie. i for one, liked da2 anders bettter. IMO, awakenings ander seemed really shallow and schoolboy-ish. now call me picky,but i like to tote around a MAN, not a schoolboy. he was OK in awakenings, but there is something about him that i love how he changed. he matured. he grew up and got past this selfish stage he was in.. i really admire him for that. i feel like there was more to him than just a smart mouth in da2. he was so much more sincere... so much more selfless... THAT is the anders i would like LOVE to see in a DLC

also, you have to think, after everything that he's been through, from constantly fleeing the circle, to fighting darkspawn, to having a spirit of vengeace attached to your soul, dont you think he deserves to be bitter time again? he has every reason to be honestly. and the arguments iv heard before about the complaining? do not get me started... at least he fights for what he believes in...

Modifié par andrastesASS, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:42 .

[Huntress]

Anders is a great character, I'll never kill him for blowing up Chantry buildings with chantry priests inside it, I'll kill him if he start killing normal people tho, like children's or farmers .. well you get the idea, but for killing Lunatic's templars, priests and demon-lover-blood-mages? Not a chance.

[Knight of Dane]

Huntress wrote...

Anders is a great character, I'll never kill him for blowing up Chantry buildings with chantry priests inside it, I'll kill him if he start killing normal people tho, like children's or farmers .. well you get the idea, but for killing Lunatic's templars, priests and demon-lover-blood-mages? Not a chance.

Ah the terrorist way of thinking how lovely.

It's okay to kill the priests because all the priests are evil.
It's okay to kill the mages because all mages are evil.

I hope any dlc or DA:3 brings some more groups to judge as a whole that we can kill.

[Walrusninja]

We got all we needed with the chance to stab the treacherous coward at the end of DA2 to my mind. They broke his character up badly anyways.
Actually, I'd take DLC that allowed us to salvage his character (if possible), CHOOSE whether ... all that .... happens. Failing that, just give me new ways to kill him:D

Modifié par Walrusninja, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:46 .