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[AnimeAngel90]

I would also love an Anders DLC - I adored him in Awakenings and was very disappointed he wasn't romanceable then (oh did that come back to bite me on the ass, like so much else in DA2). His romance in DA2 was so cute sometimes and yet so tragic. So many people say he's not like his Awakenings self at all - they need to take him with them more often. He definitely has his flirty, hilarious moments in there!

But I think the issue of Justice could easily be explained further - like has been said earlier in this thread, there is many ways for Anders to be in a DLC after DA2.

1) You spared him and ran off with him into the sunset
2) You killed him, but Justice reanimates his corpse
3) You killed him but he actually survives (Jennifer has stated she basically expected people to kill Anders for what he did, but the Valentine's Day story they posted had him being stabbed through the chest and surviving easily because of Justice).

Alternatively, a Justice based DLC where Hawke wants revenge (and maybe flashbacky things or something of Anders) - hey, if you killed Anders for doing it, why not his other half that probably helped at least a little? Or maybe you just want revenge for Justice corrupting your boyfriend?

Either way, Anders/Justice DLC? I'm so all over that =D

[The Cannibal Factory]

You know what I'd quite like?

A DLC where you play Anders in Dragon Age 2 instead of Hawke. I know it's totally impossible... but it would be great to play him in his clinic, his time pulling together the Mage underground, and actively working on his plan to blow the socks off the Chantry.

Copious Justice/Vengeance appearances as he struggles with the demon would be a must. In fact, as Anders admits (in a rivalmance) that he's having blackouts and lost time where Justice takes over - it would be fun to play that out.

Again, impossible and probably implausible, but I know I'd love it. I fancy sparking a Magical Mage Revolution...

Modifié par Lady Vengeance, 27 mars 2011 - 04:18 .

[The Cannibal Factory]

AnimeAngel90 wrote...

But I think the issue of Justice could easily be explained further - like has been said earlier in this thread, there is many ways for Anders to be in a DLC after DA2.

3) You killed him but he actually survives (Jennifer has stated she basically expected people to kill Anders for what he did, but the Valentine's Day story they posted had him being stabbed through the chest and surviving easily because of Justice).

Yessssssss. His eyes never closed - ergo, in my world, he definitely lived.

Justice keeps Anders alive, just as the Spirit of Faith kept Wynne alive. Totally.

[AnimeAngel90]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

AnimeAngel90 wrote...

But I think the issue of Justice could easily be explained further - like has been said earlier in this thread, there is many ways for Anders to be in a DLC after DA2.

3) You killed him but he actually survives (Jennifer has stated she basically expected people to kill Anders for what he did, but the Valentine's Day story they posted had him being stabbed through the chest and surviving easily because of Justice).

Yessssssss. His eyes never closed - ergo, in my world, he definitely lived.

Justice keeps Anders alive, just as the Spirit of Faith kept Wynne alive. Totally.

He totally could have! (Of course, I didnt kill him because I knew my hawke couldnt do it, so I dont need to worry about this, haha)

There's also the option that Varric lied to make the final story more dramatic/keep Cassandra away from Hawke & Anders. After all, Varric himself states (to Anders himself I believe) that a story is better when the hero dies - Hawke doesnt die, but Anders, if Hawke's love interest, is like the next best thing (the whole tragic love or matyr angle is good story material!). And its proven that he does at least bend the truth several times to make the story better (Bethany in the opening sequence, his attack on Bartrand's mansion, etc)

So yes, who knows?  They could retcon Anders as alive easily enough if they feel the need to - so yes, Anders DLC = more than ok by me

[Femaleficar]

Iles wrote...

I'm not an usual forum frequenter, but I've just beaten DA2 and I was curious about how people reacted to Anders's behaviour. I read of people hating him for what he did, and people ready to forgive him.
Personally I liked the old Anders, even if he was way too similar to Alistair, but I simply love the new one. His romance is so deep it hurts, I must admit I cried when I found out he was cheating on me with the whole "freeing myself from Justice" thing, I cried because I wasn't able to save him from himself.
Hence my proposal: how many people would like to see some Anders-dedicated DLC, in which you can actually find a way to free him from Vengeance? Personally, I'd love it. Something in which I could go on a hard quest to help him struggle against the real thing that keeps him chained and finally be truly free (and maybe without dying the next moment  )
We can consider this thread some kind of "online petition"...

I would really want to see this!
I think that you could bend this DLC to people who have killed Anders to an idea that Vengence-so acustomed to controling a host has refused to let Anders be. People who loved Anders can help him unbind Vengence's chains whereas people who hated Anders can take Vengence from Anders to fuel their own motives toward power. 

[berelinde]

Pfft, the only permanent deaths are those required by the plot to end the game and bring the dungeon down around the party. Depending on your Awakenings choices, Anders has already escaped death once.

[The Angry One]

Deaths by murder knife are permanent. Prove me wrong.

[Femaleficar]

The Angry One wrote...

Deaths by murder knife are permanent. Prove me wrong.

Hadn't Justice saved Anders from death in awakening? What's stopping a demon to cling on to you for dear life?

[Reverie]

The Angry One wrote...

Deaths by murder knife are permanent. Prove me wrong.

It seems no death is permanent as long as the writers want a character back.

[erilben]

The Angry One wrote...

Deaths by murder knife are permanent. Prove me wrong.

Isn't that how Oghren dies? Get his approval low enough and he will duel you. After the duel, you get a dialog option to murder him. Then he comes back for Awakening anyway.

[sassperella]

I think though, that this is so central to the story, that if you killed him, he will not come back without an explanation. It would be easy enough to bring him back if they wanted to, see the short story where he gets stabbed with a sword to no effect and look at Kristoff - Justice can possess a dead body. But I think they have probably written him off as dead and he may get referred to in future content but that will be it.

[Iles]

The Angry One wrote...

Deaths by murder knife are permanent. Prove me wrong.

They are, in real life. We're not talking about real life, we're talking about a character in a videogame who already survived a sword through his chest... which should cause a death as permanent as a murder knife one.

Lady Vengeance wrote...

Yessssssss. His eyes never closed - ergo, in my world, he definitely lived. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Justice keeps Anders alive, just as the Spirit of Faith kept Wynne alive. Totally.

Moreover, no blood pool! 

sassperella wrote...

I think though, that this is so central to the story, that if you killed him, he will not come back without an explanation. It would be easy enough to bring him back if they wanted to, see the short story where he gets stabbed with a sword to no effect and look at Kristoff - Justice can possess a dead body. But I think they have probably written him off as dead and he may get referred to in future content but that will be it.

Considered that "they" gave also the chance to spare his life, I'm not sure they have written him off as dead...

Modifié par Iles, 29 mars 2011 - 05:35 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

 Personally, I'd like to see a sort of blend of the two Anders.

Bring back some of the witty, nice-guy idiot from Awakening, but letting him keep some of his, eh... "maturity" (I use the term loosely, it's still Anders after all (if Hawke's comments about dirty socks were anything to go by...). XD)

I don't think it'd be possible to seperate Justice/Vengeance and Anders by now, the two are far too intermingled. (If the rather worrying things Ander's been up to is any indication. Seriously, did Anders ever give any indication of hating the Chantry that much in Awakening? (As in; enough to murder innocents? Or was he lying in the whole "I didn't do it!" moment... lol))

So finding a way to keep Justice as a spirit of virtue, and having Anders co-exist with Justice without turning into a pscho-abomination would be nice. It may have some interesting results too...
Though really the two should never have mixed in the first place. <_<

...I wonder if the taint had anything to do with corrupting Justice and driving them both crazy? (It'd make an interesting plot device at the least)

Also, how would this be affecting Hawke, if they had been lovers/friends?

Or, if all else fails, there's plan C:
"Bring back Ser-Pounce-a-lot!!!"

[blauwvis]

Hell yes I would buy Anders DLC. I'm not so sure about a full-on exorcism, since I got the impression that the pair of them were too closely entwined at this point, but I would pay a goodly amount for the opportunity for my character to help Anders find some semblance of peace, or even something that points in that direction. While fighting off the hordes of people who want to kill them both, of course. 

Modifié par blauwvis, 29 mars 2011 - 07:28 .

[berelinde]

I would love an Anders DLC.

I'm not sure it would bring the old Anders back, since the experience has probably scarred him forever, but he would at least know that the thoughts in his head were his own. The banter between Anders and Merrill was heartwrenching. He walks around feeling like that all the time and you can't even talk to him about it.

[phoenixandashes]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

AnimeAngel90 wrote...

But I think the issue of Justice could easily be explained further - like has been said earlier in this thread, there is many ways for Anders to be in a DLC after DA2.

3) You killed him but he actually survives (Jennifer has stated she basically expected people to kill Anders for what he did, but the Valentine's Day story they posted had him being stabbed through the chest and surviving easily because of Justice).

Yessssssss. His eyes never closed - ergo, in my world, he definitely lived.

Justice keeps Anders alive, just as the Spirit of Faith kept Wynne alive. Totally.

Agreed!  I don't actually believe Anders is dead (whether you shanked him or not)... because, short of a beheading/destroying the body, I don't think it's possible with Justice/Vengeance around.  In the romance-reveal short, he appeared to have been run through and is still a-ok for DA2.

So, yeah, I think an Anders DLC is workable... and I'd buy it 

[VenetianLunacy]

I would buy it, absolutely! I felt that it was something that really should have been IN the game, but I understand that there were time constraints and the like. Nevertheless, it would make for an excellent plot! Maker knows we could use a happy ending.

[VenetianLunacy]

[/quote] AnimeAngel90 wrote...

He totally could have! (Of course, I didnt kill him because I knew my hawke couldnt do it, so I dont need to worry about this, haha)

There's also the option that Varric lied to make the final story more dramatic/keep Cassandra away from Hawke & Anders. After all, Varric himself states (to Anders himself I believe) that a story is better when the hero dies - Hawke doesnt die, but Anders, if Hawke's love interest, is like the next best thing (the whole tragic love or matyr angle is good story material!). And its proven that he does at least bend the truth several times to make the story better (Bethany in the opening sequence, his attack on Bartrand's mansion, etc)

So yes, who knows?  They could retcon Anders as alive easily enough if they feel the need to - so yes, Anders DLC = more than ok by me

[/quote]



This occurred to me more than once, and I am glad someone else thought of it too. We have to remember, we are viewing the game from Varric's perspective. We also know that Varric and Anders were friends. And if Anders did indeed destroy the Chantry, it would make sense for Varric to protect Anders... as he is telling the story to the Cassandra, a less than neutral party. This is why an Anders DLC could be possible.

Modifié par VenetianLunacy, 30 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[dantares83]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

AnimeAngel90 wrote...

But I think the issue of Justice could easily be explained further - like has been said earlier in this thread, there is many ways for Anders to be in a DLC after DA2.

3) You killed him but he actually survives (Jennifer has stated she basically expected people to kill Anders for what he did, but the Valentine's Day story they posted had him being stabbed through the chest and surviving easily because of Justice).

Yessssssss. His eyes never closed - ergo, in my world, he definitely lived.

Justice keeps Anders alive, just as the Spirit of Faith kept Wynne alive. Totally.


yeah, I heard Wynne came back in Awakening (just to give u a silly side quest) even if you 'killed' her in DAO... and the writers explained it off using Faith...

Justice bound to Anders while he is still alive, so he should/can be saved by Justice if he wants.

[LadyVaJedi]

I would love to see a DLC to remove Justice.

[jadefishes]

I'll skip the inevitable pages of Anders hate that has to come from this suggestion and say that I would buy it in a heartbeat.

[Autodoll]

jadefishes wrote...

I'll skip the inevitable pages of Anders hate that has to come from this suggestion and say that I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I did the exact same thing! Yeah, I'd like to see it. I refuse to believe that Hawke's story (and Anders's story!) ends here. There are plenty of ways that this could be implemented - similar to Witch Hunt, which was great if your Warden hated Morrigan, loved Morrigan, were bffs, or just wanted some closure. Wizard Hunt, anyone? I say yes. 

[Eollodwyn]

I refuse to believe that Anders' story is done, so we'd **** well better see him, either in DLC, an expansion, or DA 3. Besides, if Hawke ever comes back (and it seems rather obvious he/she will) Anders needs to come back, because he and my Hawke ran off together.

And by "back", I don't mean a bugged letter in my inventory a la Awakening.

[wicked_being]

Anders didn't die. My Hawke shanked him in Act 3 but Varric said "everyone left except for Anders."

Zombie Anders

[Eollodwyn]

wicked_being wrote...

Anders didn't die. My Hawke shanked him in Act 3 but Varric said "everyone left except for Anders."

Zombie Anders

Oh dear, what if that wasn't a bug after all....