Anders seems just a tad more stable after blowing up the Chantry, perhaps that's evidence that he can be made to co-exist with Justice?Or maybe we can make Justice possess a tabby-cat!
...what?
Proposal: Anders DLC
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 04:45
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I don't give a damn what (or when) the DLC is! I just want Anders in it! <3With more dialogue! And more romance (or rivalry/friendship)! Moooooore...
Anders seems just a tad more stable after blowing up the Chantry, perhaps that's evidence that he can be made to co-exist with Justice?Or maybe we can make Justice possess a tabby-cat!
...what?
Anders seems just a tad more stable after blowing up the Chantry, perhaps that's evidence that he can be made to co-exist with Justice?Or maybe we can make Justice possess a tabby-cat!
...what?
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 06:48
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Anders DLC? Priceless! But it has to be Hawke-centered. Anders already stole too much of the spotlight. He's the true hero of DA2. He's got the purpose, achieves it in the end, gets a faithful LI in the middle, and he's haunted by a demon which is cool. Time to give Hawke the reins for a moment.
What does a fulfilling romantic quest with Anders need? Well, of course, a good conversation initiated by Hawke in act 2, a trip to the Fade, a confrontation between Hawke and Vengeance, a passionate kiss (between Hawke and Anders, and not Hawke and Vengeance - although...), and an arch- pride demon to fight in this impossible quest as Hawke fights a losing battle for Anders' soul.
Or shall I say, time to give rein to the player. Let me see...
== The Spirit of Hope ==
Player: He's suffering. How long will it be before his personality dissolves completely? Do something about it!
Hawke: (distraught) But what? I don't know what!
Anders: I told you, it's impossible to separate the spirit from the host without killing either. I've never heard of it happening. And I wish you'd stop tormenting Hawke with these - futile longings.
Player: This world holds plenty of mysteries you've never heard about, little Circle mage. Did you ask anyone if it's possible to do it, Hawke?
Hawke: And who would I ask? I don't really know any keepers of knowledge -
Player: What about the Keeper?
*
Marethari: I'm sorry, child, I don't know a way. Even if the elves once held such a knowledge, it's been long lost.
Player: (Figures. If she knew anything about demons, she wouldn't end up locking one in her own body.)
Merrill: So many things have been lost forever. If I only could fix the Eluvian, I could restore our former glory.
Marethari: And why would you need to know how to separate the spirit? Was someone possessed? (looks at Merrill sharply)
Merrill: I'm not the sole target of all the demons in the world, Keeper!
*
Hawke: She couldn't help us. And that's the person of such power that she could send four non-mages into the Fade without breaking a sweat. I'm starting to believe that our quest is truly impossible.
Player: Already? We've only just began. Don't give up now!
Anders: As I thought, it was a waste of time. I repeat again, stay away from this demon, Hawke. She's only trying to lure you with the false illusion of hope.
Player: How many times do I have to tell you? I'm not a demon, I'm a spirit! A spirit of hope!
Hawke: You told me you're a spirit of heroism.
Anders: You can't even keep your lies consistent.
Player: I'm just a different spirit, not the one you spoke with before. I am hope. And you will do well to listen to my voice, Hawke, because I will never lead you astray.
Anders: So you say, demon. I know the methods of your kind. I've seen them countless times. Promise the impossible, lure them with their deepest desire, and then steal their soul. I’m watching you closely.
Player: Don't you have a manifesto to polish?
Anders: That can wait. I'm not letting you have Hawke's soul.
Player: What did you just say? Do my ears deceive me? The manifesto can wait?
Hawke: No. You're right, I can't give up. Once I start a quest, I feel incomplete until I've finished it, for better or worse. But where else can we look for the solution?
Player: (whispering in Hawke's ear) If there is a magical solution, you will find it in Tevinter.
Hawke: I can't really travel all the way there -
Player: I seem to recall that you have a Tevinter contact. The most powerful mage in the world, one of the somniari, owes everything to you. Write to him.
Hawke: (shocked) I never write to people. They write to me.
Player: Correspondence works both ways, you know.
Hawke: And calling on someone owing me a favour...I've never done that before. Ever.
Player: You have to start sometime. Being hero is a hard job. Being proactive and even a little devious won't hurt. He owes you. He considers you his only friend. He wields great power. Use this in your interests.
Anders: As I told you, she tries to corrupt you! So help me, demon -
Hawke: No. You're right. I'll write to him. And I wanted to ask him how his studies were going.
*
Feynriel's letter:
"Dear Hawke, thank you for your letter. I was so happy to hear from you. Unfortunately, I don't think I can help you with your request, much to my frustration. The first thing you ask of me, I cannot do! My studies are going well, but my training is far from complete, and we didn't even get started on demons yet. I know nothing of possession beyond the basics.
"I've tried to question my master about it as vaguely as possible, without mentioning demons, of course. I asked him if he knows how to separate a spirit from the body using the Fade. He gave me a very odd look.
"Afterwards, he pulled me aside and told me that it will be decades before I master my powers enough to kill people in their sleep, and that I should not be impatient. I assured him that it was not at all what I wanted, and that my question was purely hypothetical, but I don't think he believed me, because he spent half an hour trying to find out if someone had offended me. He even offered his assassins to deal with my 'problem.' It was awkward. I don't think he knows anything about reversing possession either..."
Player: That was not entirely unexpected.
Hawke: Then all hope is lost.
Feynriel's letter:
"...But I'm going to do research in Tevinter central library. Don't get your hopes up, though, because it's probably going to take years. I'll let you know if I find something. Faithfully yours..."
Hawke: Years! That's too long. We don't have years.
Player: Oh, we have years. Many years, actually.
Hawke: But I've never done a quest over years. I have to finish them quickly, or I'll forget about it. I'm having those years-long blank spots in my memory. For example, I still can't remember where I got that statue decorating my estate.
Anders: Holes in your memory? You must be possessed already! This demon already got you -
Player: If he's been possessed, it's by the spirit of Sloth, not me. I only take control of him every once in a while, and for but a brief time. By the way, Anders, I heard there was a group of apostates asking for you to lead them out of the city. They're chased by the templars, so if you want to save them, you better hurry.
Anders: Don't do anything rush until I return, Hawke! It won't take longer than an hour. (sprints away)
Player: I don't need more than an hour.
Hawke: Why did you get rid of him? What's on your mind?
Player: Time to confront Vengeance in the Fade.
Well. I do get carried away sometimes. But it was fun. And oddly cathartic.
What does a fulfilling romantic quest with Anders need? Well, of course, a good conversation initiated by Hawke in act 2, a trip to the Fade, a confrontation between Hawke and Vengeance, a passionate kiss (between Hawke and Anders, and not Hawke and Vengeance - although...), and an arch- pride demon to fight in this impossible quest as Hawke fights a losing battle for Anders' soul.
Or shall I say, time to give rein to the player. Let me see...
== The Spirit of Hope ==
Player: He's suffering. How long will it be before his personality dissolves completely? Do something about it!
Hawke: (distraught) But what? I don't know what!
Anders: I told you, it's impossible to separate the spirit from the host without killing either. I've never heard of it happening. And I wish you'd stop tormenting Hawke with these - futile longings.
Player: This world holds plenty of mysteries you've never heard about, little Circle mage. Did you ask anyone if it's possible to do it, Hawke?
Hawke: And who would I ask? I don't really know any keepers of knowledge -
Player: What about the Keeper?
*
Marethari: I'm sorry, child, I don't know a way. Even if the elves once held such a knowledge, it's been long lost.
Player: (Figures. If she knew anything about demons, she wouldn't end up locking one in her own body.)
Merrill: So many things have been lost forever. If I only could fix the Eluvian, I could restore our former glory.
Marethari: And why would you need to know how to separate the spirit? Was someone possessed? (looks at Merrill sharply)
Merrill: I'm not the sole target of all the demons in the world, Keeper!
*
Hawke: She couldn't help us. And that's the person of such power that she could send four non-mages into the Fade without breaking a sweat. I'm starting to believe that our quest is truly impossible.
Player: Already? We've only just began. Don't give up now!
Anders: As I thought, it was a waste of time. I repeat again, stay away from this demon, Hawke. She's only trying to lure you with the false illusion of hope.
Player: How many times do I have to tell you? I'm not a demon, I'm a spirit! A spirit of hope!
Hawke: You told me you're a spirit of heroism.
Anders: You can't even keep your lies consistent.
Player: I'm just a different spirit, not the one you spoke with before. I am hope. And you will do well to listen to my voice, Hawke, because I will never lead you astray.
Anders: So you say, demon. I know the methods of your kind. I've seen them countless times. Promise the impossible, lure them with their deepest desire, and then steal their soul. I’m watching you closely.
Player: Don't you have a manifesto to polish?
Anders: That can wait. I'm not letting you have Hawke's soul.
Player: What did you just say? Do my ears deceive me? The manifesto can wait?
Hawke: No. You're right, I can't give up. Once I start a quest, I feel incomplete until I've finished it, for better or worse. But where else can we look for the solution?
Player: (whispering in Hawke's ear) If there is a magical solution, you will find it in Tevinter.
Hawke: I can't really travel all the way there -
Player: I seem to recall that you have a Tevinter contact. The most powerful mage in the world, one of the somniari, owes everything to you. Write to him.
Hawke: (shocked) I never write to people. They write to me.
Player: Correspondence works both ways, you know.
Hawke: And calling on someone owing me a favour...I've never done that before. Ever.
Player: You have to start sometime. Being hero is a hard job. Being proactive and even a little devious won't hurt. He owes you. He considers you his only friend. He wields great power. Use this in your interests.
Anders: As I told you, she tries to corrupt you! So help me, demon -
Hawke: No. You're right. I'll write to him. And I wanted to ask him how his studies were going.
*
Feynriel's letter:
"Dear Hawke, thank you for your letter. I was so happy to hear from you. Unfortunately, I don't think I can help you with your request, much to my frustration. The first thing you ask of me, I cannot do! My studies are going well, but my training is far from complete, and we didn't even get started on demons yet. I know nothing of possession beyond the basics.
"I've tried to question my master about it as vaguely as possible, without mentioning demons, of course. I asked him if he knows how to separate a spirit from the body using the Fade. He gave me a very odd look.
"Afterwards, he pulled me aside and told me that it will be decades before I master my powers enough to kill people in their sleep, and that I should not be impatient. I assured him that it was not at all what I wanted, and that my question was purely hypothetical, but I don't think he believed me, because he spent half an hour trying to find out if someone had offended me. He even offered his assassins to deal with my 'problem.' It was awkward. I don't think he knows anything about reversing possession either..."
Player: That was not entirely unexpected.
Hawke: Then all hope is lost.
Feynriel's letter:
"...But I'm going to do research in Tevinter central library. Don't get your hopes up, though, because it's probably going to take years. I'll let you know if I find something. Faithfully yours..."
Hawke: Years! That's too long. We don't have years.
Player: Oh, we have years. Many years, actually.
Hawke: But I've never done a quest over years. I have to finish them quickly, or I'll forget about it. I'm having those years-long blank spots in my memory. For example, I still can't remember where I got that statue decorating my estate.
Anders: Holes in your memory? You must be possessed already! This demon already got you -
Player: If he's been possessed, it's by the spirit of Sloth, not me. I only take control of him every once in a while, and for but a brief time. By the way, Anders, I heard there was a group of apostates asking for you to lead them out of the city. They're chased by the templars, so if you want to save them, you better hurry.
Anders: Don't do anything rush until I return, Hawke! It won't take longer than an hour. (sprints away)
Player: I don't need more than an hour.
Hawke: Why did you get rid of him? What's on your mind?
Player: Time to confront Vengeance in the Fade.
Well. I do get carried away sometimes. But it was fun. And oddly cathartic.
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#178
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 08:28
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Icy Magebane wrote...
And to people who think it's cool to resurrect characters just because you didn't kill them? That's selfish. If anything, they shouldn't be giving us those options in the first place. Try to look at the world from somebody else's perspective once in a while.
Wait...so you're saying that we should respect the choice you made (I'm assuming that you killed Anders) by not asking for DLC for post-Act 3 Anders story? But what about our choice to not kill Anders? Is it somehow less of a worthy choice because it's not what you choose?
I feel like if there is anymore DLC to be released, it should respect the following three choices: 1) Siding with the Circle or the Templars, 2) the fate of your sibling, and 3) Whether or not you killed Anders. This should work similarly to how at the start of DA2, you choose which DAO ending you had (via game save or just selecting a preset history).
Everyone's choices should be respected.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:38
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laecraft wrote...
== The Spirit of Hope ==
[giga cut of many lulz]
Well thanks for that, it was fun to read!
(And I had some similar ideas about Feynriel helping Anders for my fanfic, damn you tief of ideas!
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#180
Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:48
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I think the person was implying such a DLC would retcon Anders' death for those who killed him.Shinsetsu wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
And to people who think it's cool to resurrect characters just because you didn't kill them? That's selfish. If anything, they shouldn't be giving us those options in the first place. Try to look at the world from somebody else's perspective once in a while.
Wait...so you're saying that we should respect the choice you made (I'm assuming that you killed Anders) by not asking for DLC for post-Act 3 Anders story? But what about our choice to not kill Anders? Is it somehow less of a worthy choice because it's not what you choose?
I feel like if there is anymore DLC to be released, it should respect the following three choices: 1) Siding with the Circle or the Templars, 2) the fate of your sibling, and 3) Whether or not you killed Anders. This should work similarly to how at the start of DA2, you choose which DAO ending you had (via game save or just selecting a preset history).
Everyone's choices should be respected.
I agree that any released DLC should respect the choices of the game. The problem with an Anders-specific post-game DLC is that it would exclude people who killed Anders from playing it. I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'selfish' like the earlier poster, but considering what an important and polarizing choice it is, it seems like it might cut out a decent chunk of their consumers to create a story that caters to only one of the available options.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 05:14
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Wait a minute, I was trying to say that since some people did kill Anders, there shouldn't be a DLC that negates that choice... The tone I had been getting from some posts was that the DLC should include Anders regardless of whether he was killed. I have no problem with them making Anders-related content that is only availible on files where he survived... I just don't want anymore Oghren, Leliana, or Awakening Anders fiascos... those are instances where character death is simply ignored (or in the case of Leliana, it might be explained later).Shinsetsu wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
And to people who think it's cool to resurrect characters just because you didn't kill them? That's selfish. If anything, they shouldn't be giving us those options in the first place. Try to look at the world from somebody else's perspective once in a while.
Wait...so you're saying that we should respect the choice you made (I'm assuming that you killed Anders) by not asking for DLC for post-Act 3 Anders story? But what about our choice to not kill Anders? Is it somehow less of a worthy choice because it's not what you choose?
I feel like if there is anymore DLC to be released, it should respect the following three choices: 1) Siding with the Circle or the Templars, 2) the fate of your sibling, and 3) Whether or not you killed Anders. This should work similarly to how at the start of DA2, you choose which DAO ending you had (via game save or just selecting a preset history).
Everyone's choices should be respected.
What you're proposing is fine by me.
As far as calling people selfish... it's somewhat related, so I'll explain. Regarding Leliana's resurrection, a lot of people simply claim that since "a small minority" of players killed her, it's okay to just ignore them and move on with the story. So what I was saying was really motivated by those people, and I felt it applied here as well. If that doesn't apply to whoever is reading this, at least now you know who I was referring to.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 08:19
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If they decide to put out any DLC with Anders in it, I will buy it. Period. And that is saying something since I wouldn't waste my money on either Leliana or Morrigan's DLC.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 08:49
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Why would they make a DLC for the probably least liked companion of all ? One that a lot of people killed at that.
Morrigan and Leliana got DLCs because they were very popular and important for the story (Morrigan with her godchild and Leliana because she would play a role in the sequels).
Morrigan and Leliana got DLCs because they were very popular and important for the story (Morrigan with her godchild and Leliana because she would play a role in the sequels).
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 09:50
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I'm not sure Anders is the most disliked, I think he's just the most polarizing. I know there was a thread out there that made up the numbers based on posters' responses and it turned out that Anders was about as popular as Fenris, which left him in the middle of the characters, more or less. Granted, that's not a perfect method, but if Anders were really that unpopular the numbers should have been different.Balthamoss wrote...
Why would they make a DLC for the probably least liked companion of all ? One that a lot of people killed at that.
Morrigan and Leliana got DLCs because they were very popular and important for the story (Morrigan with her godchild and Leliana because she would play a role in the sequels).
As for importance, you're going to have a hard time arguing that Anders wasn't important to the story.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 12:23
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Eollodwyn wrote...
I'm not sure Anders is the most disliked, I think he's just the most polarizing. I know there was a thread out there that made up the numbers based on posters' responses and it turned out that Anders was about as popular as Fenris, which left him in the middle of the characters, more or less. Granted, that's not a perfect method, but if Anders were really that unpopular the numbers should have been different.
As for importance, you're going to have a hard time arguing that Anders wasn't important to the story.
He sure does play a very important part in the story - they needed a catalyst for the coming war in the next game and Anders gave just that, so he served his purpose.
I just don't see what they could do interesting with him anymore, especially since he's dead in many playthroughs.
As for popularity : look at the "most hated companion" - threads, Anders is named more often than any other character. And since you compare with Fenris : as of today, Anders' thread has about 700 pages and 75 000 hits, while Fenris' has 1440 pages and approaches 430 000 hits, I don't know how representative that is, but it doesn't give the impression that Anders is equally as popular...
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 12:49
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Balthamoss wrote...
Eollodwyn wrote...
I'm not sure Anders is the most disliked, I think he's just the most polarizing. I know there was a thread out there that made up the numbers based on posters' responses and it turned out that Anders was about as popular as Fenris, which left him in the middle of the characters, more or less. Granted, that's not a perfect method, but if Anders were really that unpopular the numbers should have been different.
As for importance, you're going to have a hard time arguing that Anders wasn't important to the story.
He sure does play a very important part in the story - they needed a catalyst for the coming war in the next game and Anders gave just that, so he served his purpose.
I just don't see what they could do interesting with him anymore, especially since he's dead in many playthroughs.
As for popularity : look at the "most hated companion" - threads, Anders is named more often than any other character. And since you compare with Fenris : as of today, Anders' thread has about 700 pages and 75 000 hits, while Fenris' has 1440 pages and approaches 430 000 hits, I don't know how representative that is, but it doesn't give the impression that Anders is equally as popular...
Well, if we are going by appreciation thread count then Anders is the second most popular character in DA2, not the most hated. But message boards are not a measure of a character's popularity, they are a measure of how polarizing a character is. I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about Varric, but his thread only has 68 pages, probably because he is not a LI and never did anything controversial during the game.
As for a DLC with Anders, I really want one that allows the player to deal with Vengance/Justice. It would be easy enough for Bioware to do and still respect the players who killed Anders. If Anders lived then he has become completely posessed by Vengance and is roaming the country side killing the unjust, which according to the demon is everybody. If Anders died then all Bioware has to do is change Anders's graphic to a corpse, which Vengance is using the same way he used the Warden in Awakening. If Anders was spared then the DLC can allow an option of saving Anders from Vengance, if Anders is dead then he becomes a pile of bones once Vengance is dealt with.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 12:56
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Shmeep Shmee put it very well, so I'm not going to respond on that point, but I will try to find that thread that I mentioned. If I can...Balthamoss wrote...
He sure does play a very important part in the story - they needed a catalyst for the coming war in the next game and Anders gave just that, so he served his purpose.
I just don't see what they could do interesting with him anymore, especially since he's dead in many playthroughs.
As for popularity : look at the "most hated companion" - threads, Anders is named more often than any other character. And since you compare with Fenris : as of today, Anders' thread has about 700 pages and 75 000 hits, while Fenris' has 1440 pages and approaches 430 000 hits, I don't know how representative that is, but it doesn't give the impression that Anders is equally as popular...
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:07
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Hm did you tried to look at the both threads creation dates?Balthamoss wrote...
Eollodwyn wrote...
I'm not sure Anders is the most disliked, I think he's just the most polarizing. I know there was a thread out there that made up the numbers based on posters' responses and it turned out that Anders was about as popular as Fenris, which left him in the middle of the characters, more or less. Granted, that's not a perfect method, but if Anders were really that unpopular the numbers should have been different.
As for importance, you're going to have a hard time arguing that Anders wasn't important to the story.
He sure does play a very important part in the story - they needed a catalyst for the coming war in the next game and Anders gave just that, so he served his purpose.
I just don't see what they could do interesting with him anymore, especially since he's dead in many playthroughs.
As for popularity : look at the "most hated companion" - threads, Anders is named more often than any other character. And since you compare with Fenris : as of today, Anders' thread has about 700 pages and 75 000 hits, while Fenris' has 1440 pages and approaches 430 000 hits, I don't know how representative that is, but it doesn't give the impression that Anders is equally as popular...
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:15
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Found it! 
I know these numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, but they show Anders to be decidedly average. To further prove Shmeep's point, Varric is so overwhelmingly favored, and his fan thread is one of the smaller ones.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6858999
I know these numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, but they show Anders to be decidedly average. To further prove Shmeep's point, Varric is so overwhelmingly favored, and his fan thread is one of the smaller ones.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6858999
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:34
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Well, Varric is cool, popular, decent person and a bro, but there is nothing much to discuss about him truly exactly because he's that decent. Almost everyone loves him. There's nothing contradictory and polarizing about him, unlike Anders or Fenris or Merril. I personally find Anders one of the most interesting characters in Dragon Age so far, and I'm pretty sure on my canon run (which I didn't yet) I'll be rivalry romancing him (as much as I can't stand his behavior sometimesEollodwyn wrote...
Found it!
I know these numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, but they show Anders to be decidedly average. To further prove Shmeep's point, Varric is so overwhelmingly favored, and his fan thread is one of the smaller ones.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6858999
) , just because it makes Hawke's story much more personal. (That say, I romanced Alistair in DA:O as my canon warden for the same "bigger involvement in the story" reasons... and.... well, he's just such a woobie anyways
) And regarding the theme of the topic, I too would like to see the conclusion of Anders' story in the future installments for those who left him alive - for good or bad.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:52
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Kazanth wrote...
Very unlikely that they'd make a DLC only available to some people. So unless Anders "gets better" I don't see it happening.
Witch Hunt.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 01:55
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What about it?PinkShoes wrote...
Kazanth wrote...
Very unlikely that they'd make a DLC only available to some people. So unless Anders "gets better" I don't see it happening.
Witch Hunt.
I haven't played Witch Hunt but I've heard it works for all the various Morrigan choices. A DLC about post-game Anders would not. As for him 'getting better', Gaider stated he's definitely dead if you murder knifed him.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 02:01
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Those surveys mean nothing -- the sample is bad (sorry, but it is). GIGO.
Anyway, all I can say is... welcome to the world that ZevFans have lived in for the past year and a half. Even suggest additional content with Zevran and you get the screams, "BUT I KILLLLLLLLEEEEED HIM!"
So yeh :/ I have no point but, well, I see no problem with having companions in DLC (in fact, I think they'll be silly if they don't include them -- that was a huge complaint about DAO DLC) as there are timeskips that DLC could happen during.
Anyway, all I can say is... welcome to the world that ZevFans have lived in for the past year and a half. Even suggest additional content with Zevran and you get the screams, "BUT I KILLLLLLLLEEEEED HIM!"
So yeh :/ I have no point but, well, I see no problem with having companions in DLC (in fact, I think they'll be silly if they don't include them -- that was a huge complaint about DAO DLC) as there are timeskips that DLC could happen during.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 02:10
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"Anders: The Quest For Ser Pounce-A-Lot"
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 02:35
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Fair enough.Icy Magebane wrote...
Wait a minute, I was trying to say that since some people did kill Anders, there shouldn't be a DLC that negates that choice... The tone I had been getting from some posts was that the DLC should include Anders regardless of whether he was killed. I have no problem with them making Anders-related content that is only availible on files where he survived... I just don't want anymore Oghren, Leliana, or Awakening Anders fiascos... those are instances where character death is simply ignored (or in the case of Leliana, it might be explained later).Shinsetsu wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
And to people who think it's cool to resurrect characters just because you didn't kill them? That's selfish. If anything, they shouldn't be giving us those options in the first place. Try to look at the world from somebody else's perspective once in a while.
Wait...so you're saying that we should respect the choice you made (I'm assuming that you killed Anders) by not asking for DLC for post-Act 3 Anders story? But what about our choice to not kill Anders? Is it somehow less of a worthy choice because it's not what you choose?
I feel like if there is anymore DLC to be released, it should respect the following three choices: 1) Siding with the Circle or the Templars, 2) the fate of your sibling, and 3) Whether or not you killed Anders. This should work similarly to how at the start of DA2, you choose which DAO ending you had (via game save or just selecting a preset history).
Everyone's choices should be respected.
What you're proposing is fine by me.
As far as calling people selfish... it's somewhat related, so I'll explain. Regarding Leliana's resurrection, a lot of people simply claim that since "a small minority" of players killed her, it's okay to just ignore them and move on with the story. So what I was saying was really motivated by those people, and I felt it applied here as well. If that doesn't apply to whoever is reading this, at least now you know who I was referring to.
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 03:53
Dreaming-in-Shadow
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If Anders died, then he is apparently definately dead.
Gone. Bye-bye. May Ser-Pounce-a-lot haunt your nightmares for all eternity.
But who says Justice is gone?
It's something to consider at least... Maybe now that he (it?) is a demon of vengeance, he's using Ander's... body to hunt down Hawke for revenge.
See? Being nice to abominations is good.
And Alistair-fans... ¬¬
The lack of DLC was my complaint, not the killing.
But a Zev DLC would have been (forgive the pun) "ridiculously awesome!" (His rise in the ranks of the crows would make a great story!)
Bioware, why do you hate us? XD
Maybe we'll be lucky and we'll get a DA2 expansion with the romances involved... (and that means more than they were in Awakenings! (the letter was hilarious though!))
Gone. Bye-bye. May Ser-Pounce-a-lot haunt your nightmares for all eternity.
But who says Justice is gone?
It's something to consider at least... Maybe now that he (it?) is a demon of vengeance, he's using Ander's... body to hunt down Hawke for revenge.
See? Being nice to abominations is good.
welcome to the world that ZevFans have lived in for the past year and a half.
Even suggest additional content with Zevran and you get the screams, "BUT I KILLLLLLLLEEEEED HIM!"
And Alistair-fans... ¬¬
The lack of DLC was my complaint, not the killing.
But a Zev DLC would have been (forgive the pun) "ridiculously awesome!" (His rise in the ranks of the crows would make a great story!)
Bioware, why do you hate us? XD
Maybe we'll be lucky and we'll get a DA2 expansion with the romances involved... (and that means more than they were in Awakenings! (the letter was hilarious though!))
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#197
Posté 07 avril 2011 - 04:13
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God, that would be an amazing DLC!But a Zev DLC would have been (forgive the pun) "ridiculously awesome!" (His rise in the ranks of the crows would make a great story!)
Bioware, why do you hate us? XD
Maybe we'll be lucky and we'll get a DA2 expansion with the romances involved... (and that means more than they were in Awakenings! (the letter was hilarious though!))
And I'd definitely like to see the romances involved in any expansion or Hawke-centric sequel (assuming there is one), but the fact they can all be killed makes me worry. Especially since Anders is one you can kill even if you're at max friendship/rivalry. If any are going to be excluded, I assume it would be Anders, since so many people got rid of him.
Although, now that I think of it, can you kill Isabela?
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Posté 07 avril 2011 - 04:27
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Eollodwyn wrote...
God, that would be an amazing DLC!
But a Zev DLC would have been (forgive the pun) "ridiculously awesome!" (His rise in the ranks of the crows would make a great story!)
Bioware, why do you hate us? XD
Maybe we'll be lucky and we'll get a DA2 expansion with the romances involved... (and that means more than they were in Awakenings! (the letter was hilarious though!))
And I'd definitely like to see the romances involved in any expansion or Hawke-centric sequel (assuming there is one), but the fact they can all be killed makes me worry. Especially since Anders is one you can kill even if you're at max friendship/rivalry. If any are going to be excluded, I assume it would be Anders, since so many people got rid of him.
Although, now that I think of it, can you kill Isabela?
Anders death is the reason we have justice: We have something to back up our insistence of having Anders in the game. Vengeance using Anders... eh... dead body (I am not saying "corpse") to seek vengeance on Hawke works well enough...
For those who hated him: Rejoice, you can kill him again.
For those that kept him: Still there.
For those who let him go: As Awakening taught us, Anders is pretty insistant on coming back. Ah, that scene amused me...
Kill Isabela? I don't know. I shall have to find out...
Hey another exuse to play the game! (And romance him again...
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#199
Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:02
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The idea of Anders-Vengeance antagonizing Hawke could be awesome, but only if they give him a chance of redemption, which is the main reason why I'd like an Anders DLC.
About the love-hate Anders topic related to some Anders DLC, my two cents.
I do understand that most people hate him because they relate fiction terrorism with real life one and I don't blame them for that.
I do also understand that writers needed a catalyst for the incoming war and Anders was the perfect victim.
What I don't understand is why people keep saying there's nothing to do with him anymore, when there would be tons of things yet to discover about him and his bond with Justice.
I demand for a way to redeem him, because though there are people who didn't like him in Awakening too, he was a good man back there and he deserves a way to be repayed for all the good things he did (like helping refugees for free, even if that meant draining himself out of mana).
Justice too deserves to be back to his former spirit self, and not that twisted version that he became with Vengeance.
He may now be psyco and single-minded, but I can't consider him "evil" and given that even the most evil foes often get a chance of redemption, why can't he?
About the love-hate Anders topic related to some Anders DLC, my two cents.
I do understand that most people hate him because they relate fiction terrorism with real life one and I don't blame them for that.
I do also understand that writers needed a catalyst for the incoming war and Anders was the perfect victim.
What I don't understand is why people keep saying there's nothing to do with him anymore, when there would be tons of things yet to discover about him and his bond with Justice.
I demand for a way to redeem him, because though there are people who didn't like him in Awakening too, he was a good man back there and he deserves a way to be repayed for all the good things he did (like helping refugees for free, even if that meant draining himself out of mana).
Justice too deserves to be back to his former spirit self, and not that twisted version that he became with Vengeance.
He may now be psyco and single-minded, but I can't consider him "evil" and given that even the most evil foes often get a chance of redemption, why can't he?
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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:06
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Iles wrote...
The idea of Anders-Vengeance antagonizing Hawke could be awesome, but only if they give him a chance of redemption, which is the main reason why I'd like an Anders DLC.
About the love-hate Anders topic related to some Anders DLC, my two cents.
I do understand that most people hate him because they relate fiction terrorism with real life one and I don't blame them for that.
I do also understand that writers needed a catalyst for the incoming war and Anders was the perfect victim.
What I don't understand is why people keep saying there's nothing to do with him anymore, when there would be tons of things yet to discover about him and his bond with Justice.
I demand for a way to redeem him, because though there are people who didn't like him in Awakening too, he was a good man back there and he deserves a way to be repayed for all the good things he did (like helping refugees for free, even if that meant draining himself out of mana).
Justice too deserves to be back to his former spirit self, and not that twisted version that he became with Vengeance.
He may now be psyco and single-minded, but I can't consider him "evil" and given that even the most evil foes often get a chance of redemption, why can't he?
*fistbump*
