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[HarlequinKing]

Baher of Glory wrote...


The medieval clergy was everything the Qunari hated:

1) Corrupt to the bone
2) mafia-style protection rackets: They sold letters of indulgence to the commoners with the blatant threat, they are condemned to hell when they don't buy
3) Nothing about the basic principles of christianity, because they just aspired after more might and more influence in Europe, at all costs
4) Perverted zealots, the so called "Inquisitors", encouraged the people to denounce each other as "witches" or "obsessed", so they could torture the denounced ones and finally burn them at the stake. By modern standards this alone fullfilled the facts of a crime against humanity. Some templers in the  game are designed this way, IMO.
5) - ... Countless other crimes; tons of books about this exist.

I'm not a friend of the Qunari, but as far as I know, they won't fit in any of the above points, right?

Most of these things actually belong to the Renaissance and Reformation era, not the Middle Ages (which is still a very broad term encompassing a thousand years of history, and many different trends). For example, there were far more witch burnings in the 16th and 17th centuries. Think about Salem, which took place in America. That is also not a correct understanding of indulgences. Only confession, which is free, may be done to forgive sins. Indulgences are used to remit suffering in purgatory, which is a temporary state before heaven.

(As an example, if Stalin repented and confessed on his deathbed for the deaths of hundreds of millions, he would go to heaven, but still need to burn in purgation for a time as a satifaction, an untl he's worthy of accepting the gifts of eternal life. You don't have to agree with this, but your post is a misrepresentation of medieval belief.)

Modern medieval scholars are writing books every day about how much of our understanding of this period is obscured by propaganda from the Reformation and Enlightenment. I recommend Eamon Duffy's "The Stripping of the Altars: Religion in England, 1400-1580", which examines how the Reformation process was actually quite traumatic for the English common folk, who were happy with medieval faith.

--Signed, a medievalist of sorts

Modifié par HarlequinKing, 17 mars 2011 - 02:02 .

[Basher of Glory]

Check the paragraph "Abuses" here:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Indulgence

Partially I agree to your points. I kept it short and didn't dive in too deep. You can call it sketchy.
I'm neither a theological nor a history-scientist.

For the inquisition check this, although I'm sure, you know all that stuff:
http://en.wikipedia....val_inquisition

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 17 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Sadorath]

Everyone here brings up such good points. Im just enjoying reading all this.. but uh.. its on a video game right? Wish people put this much effort into real life situations xD

[Haywood2]

Speaking from a muslim point of view the Qunari are people who have caste system.  Islam does not have a caste system.  But we believe in community or ummah.  It follows pillars of the Qun like Islam there are pillars of Islam  but Qunarism does not have monotheistic belief.  The main converters are in Qunarism are elves, humans and dwarves.  Usually Islamic conversions usually happen in other cultures by the poor and untouchables that have had caste before.  People convert through interaction or trade in both religious orders.  Qunari also seems to be after a single Tome.  We muslims have the Quran which teaches surahs that recite during prayer and is the Holy Book.  All 3 monotheistic  orders have conquered in name of One God to spread.  Both the Chantry and Qunari have conquered to spread.

[Face of Evil]

I know one thing they're not: necromancers.

Seriously, people who bring things back from the dead are the worst.

[azerSheppard]

They are a blend of both doctrines.

Also the female thing is due to no female qunari getting a title under the Arishok and the army. It's strictly males, but as you can see the other gov organs have females like Tallis.

[elvici]

Would never have associated Qunari with either Communists or Muslims; I find them far more similar in attitude and demeanour to feudal Japanese (the Qun is distinctly Zenlike in many ways). 

[LupoCarlos]

What's the point of a new philosophy if you try to compare it with one in reality? Let the writers create their own realities, that's the whole point of games like DA.