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[phrizek]

I touched upon this in another thread, but it bears repeating here, in greater detail. A number of companies have, in the past, gone back to address the criticisms levied at their games by fixing and upgrading those games, sometimes overhauling them completely. Divinity 2 comes to mind, where it was re-released in a new package with updates and fixes. CD Projeckt RED went above and beyond when they released their Enhanced Edition update to The Witcher for free, which dramatically overhauled and improved a buggy game. I also recall the developers of Hydrophobia completely retooled their game with their Hydrophobia Pure update, which fixed many of the problems reviewers were concerned about. I am sure there are plenty of other examples as well.

Judging by its reception on the internet (see metacritic, reddit, Amazon’s sales charts, and any game forum for people’s opinions on the game), it is clear that Dragon Age II has been a PR disaster for Bioware. A lot of people have lost faith in a company that at one point could do no wrong. I know that I personally will never pre-order another Bioware game that isn’t called Mass Effect 3. Simply put, with the launch of DA2, Bioware has lost a lot of its luster. Let’s not kid ourselves about this.

So now the question remains as to how Bioware will respond. Should they own up to their mistakes and release a fix pack that addresses some of the issues people have about the game? I'd imagine that at the very least, such an update should retool the game to get rid of all of the recycled environments, replacing them with new, unique ones, as well as fix many of the bugs in the game. Perhaps get rid of the junk loot system that serves no purpose other than to take up inventory space until you reach the next shop. Releasing such an update would go a long way towards mending Bioware’s now-tattered image in the eyes of consumers.

Is such a thing too much to ask for? Many lesser studios have done more for their fans. I think Bioware should seriously consider such an action before inundating us with loads of dlc that do nothing to address the fundamental problems of this game.

Discuss.

Modifié par phrizek, 16 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[mmmmmmPie]

I'm not sure how to respond to your post so I'll just say this:

EA. NBA Elite. Google. Irony.

[sirianb]

It's probably to late to fix the game with patches, I just want them to not screw up Dragon Age 3.  Origins was better in almost every way, and that was released in 2009! Just get rid of everything they put into Dragon Age 2, and improve upon what Origins did. If it ain't broke don't fix it.. No point in trying to put humpty dumpty back together lol.

Modifié par sirianb, 16 mars 2011 - 07:10 .

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

No, Origins is not better in almost every way. DA2 has many things that are way better than DA:O. Even the reviewers said it.

Haters...

[PirateT138]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

No, Origins is not better in almost every way. DA2 has many things that are way better than DA:O. Even the reviewers said it.

Haters...

And a lot of people literally hated some of the changes (myself included).

DA2 isn't a bad game, but it's not a winner, either.   They took it in a very different direction and got mixed reviews instead of generally positive ones.

Pro-tip:  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[skyrend]

 Considering this game was rushed to grab as much money as possible, I don't think there's any chance that they'll spend any money trying to overhaul it.  Not to mention that the developers actually seem proud of it.

[xenn]

They will probably want to sweep this one under the carpet and i don't blame them. Once ME3 starts winding up the attention will shift away from DA2.

[Paul Sedgmore]

both myself and my friends that have played DA2 have enjoyed the game as it is. But then we tend to view each game by its own merits and not from what has come before, I think that a lot of people were expecting a game closer to Origins in large part due to the game being called Dragon Age 2.

As for the bugs they can and hopefully will be fixed soon. However the re-use of dungeons while being fairly easy to create a patch to fix this for PC (if they can get the budget for the artists to create new areas) it would be more of a problem for Xbox and PS3, this is probably one of the reasons for releasing Divinity 2 The Dragon Knight Saga as a new product.

I'd prefer Bioware to take what the community is saying about DA2 and use that information to make Dragon Age 3 a better game for those that prefer Origins as well as people who like DA2 than to go back and retrofit a fix to DA2

[Maria Caliban]

DA II could use a few patches.

Other than having new environments, I'm not sure what BioWare could release that would satisfy those who dislike the game.

What you'd need to to re-write the engine to change combat, inventory, and conversations. If they're going to do that, it will be in DA III.

[HTTP 404]

no

[The Minority]

If BioWare gave into all the demands, we'd have a blank stare, silent, shuffling, auto attacking, dwarven Hawke.

[Aprudena Gist]

they wont actually fix anything they will circle jerk about fixing it untill enough copies are sold that they dont have to care anymore

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What you'd need to to re-write the engine to change combat, inventory, and conversations. If they're going to do that, it will be in DA III.

I hope it's not. I like the combat*, inventory**, and conversations. There's just not enough of any.




*There actually is enough of this

**There's enough of this too

[JeeWeeJ]

No they should not fix it, because that would mean almost a total rebuild. (just think of all the changes they would have to make to quests if they just add a few more dungeon maps...and thats just the start!) What they should do in my opinion is make a statement that its not the true sequel to Origins because this is truely an whole other game. (story-wise AND gameplay-wise)

Sure, its rushed and "dumbed down" (mind the quotes) but if it just had another name, this whole s***storm wouldnt have happened. Hell, just look at the original Baldurs Gate and the console versions... Why could they not do something like that here? (ok, the console version sucked, but thats not the point...)

Anyway, i just hope they finish SWTOR and ME3 soon, take their best writers and programmers, lock them up in a building for 3 years or so and give us a PROPER sequel to Origins.

Modifié par JeeWeeJ, 16 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[mmmmmmPie]

For anyone who didnt get my NBA Elite reference...

EA had NBA Elite 99% finished and ready to release this past September/October (whenever the basketball games come out). They had a release date, boxes in stores, were taking preorders, they even had a demo out.

And then at the last minute, EA said no. They Killed the whole thing and didnt release it.

They said that the game was a bad game. To release it would be unfair to consumers and would damage EA Sports reputation. They only want to release quality games, and NBA Elite was just not going to be a quality game.

It also couldnt compete at all with NBA 2K11 which is not just the best basketball game ever but arguably the best sports game ever, period. And it has Michael Jordan.

That was EA. They got some pretty big props for that.

[Paul Sedgmore]

PirateT138 wrote...

DA2 isn't a bad game, but it's not a winner, either.   They took it in a very different direction and got mixed reviews instead of generally positive ones.

Pro-tip:  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

No offense but if everyone thought like that we would still be in the stone age. 

Bioware were looking to expand the audience and judging from the reaction have made a misstep and have alienated some of the existing fanbase, hopefully they will remedy that with the next game.

[Meltemph]

I like DA2 as much as DA:O(actually enjoy playing through DA2 more, but enjoyed most of the codex more in DA:O, which is a big plus for DAO since I'm a huge fan of the lore). DA2 did a crap load right to me, even if the changes were polarizing to many. That said, there are a few things they could take from DA:O a little. Like slowing down the combat, in terms of how fast mobs die in non major event fights, so you have to pick your skills/set-up more carefully.

Also, outside of Varric(Fenris a tiny tad bit) and Carver(he was a bit of a ******, who listened to no one) they really did not take advantage of the restrictions in equipment in terms of adding it to the story to justify the restriction(well unless the restriction was more time then reason), sadly.

I mean, if you are going to restrict the gear, use story to explain the significance of their preferences, instead of making us assume as to why. The restriction to equipment is fine to me, as long as you take advantage of the restrictions in terms of story but, imo, for the most part they didnt.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 mars 2011 - 07:51 .

[MOB_RULES_]

I'm sure there will be patches and DLC to gobble up.

[ikaruga17]

Origins was one of those game that had old-skool feeling and it was based on those game back in the days and it was my GOTY.

Dragon Age 2- Recycled area's, companions customize are restricted, convowheel and the new "crappy" action system. Its just not the same. Hey, i enjoyed it, but it felt rushed and uncomplete. But why call it Dragon Age "2" ?

Seems that Bioware tried to fix Origins in 1,5 years of development, imo they failed hard.

Modifié par ikaruga17, 16 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Really my only complaints are some of the graphic bugs during convos, not to many enviroments to explore, and the recycled areas they used throughout the game. Other than that, great game. I'll definitely be buying the dlc and expansions for it.

[Deylar]

Here is my thing as stated before. I did like DA2 don't get me wrong. I had fun playing the game and I enjoyed the story. I actually got into the story and I was okay with a none changing environment. I think when it ended so abruptly for me, that all the issues actually began to bug me. I think if they had made the game longer, made my choices feel as if they mattered, and that I actually felt as if I had risen to power, maybe I wouldn't have been so bugged by the minor issues. But the minor issues surfaced when the game ended just as disappointing as the rest of the content.

[DragonRageGT]

Downloadable Enhanced Edition would be a great move. And they wouldn't even need to fix nearly as much as The Witcher had to. Most of the changes are unfixable, I guess, and they are not all bad, but some polishing and bug fixing might do great things to "the audience".

Only that, I'm still waiting for a bug fixing patch for Origins which make Warden's Keep and Awakening compatible, among other things, and given EA record with patching their games....

Modifié par RageGT, 16 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[ragnaven]

Presonally I hope bioware listens, not everyone wanted a talking sim with bad diolog choices and exploding bodies. They could have added in action style combat, and taken more time with the game, so that it had the old school combat in there too. Other games have done this, mainly when they are making a big break from an old style of play. It would have been a better choice. Why is that, because they already had a game which was marketed on talking, action, and being only a human, it's called mass effect. DA:O was a different direction and idea, and the people that didn't like it still had other bioware games they did like. I don't expect my local resturant to only sell seven kinds of steak, I sometimes want just a salad, or fish, or chicken.

[Pandaman102]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

No, Origins is not better in almost every way. DA2 has many things that are way better than DA:O. Even the reviewers said it.

Appeal to authority. Explain how a reviewer's opinion bears any more weight than others who have played the game, especially given that professional reviews tend to be overly favorable when large publishers are involved.

It's fine that you don't like DA:O, but don't be a hypocrite and insist your opinion that the game is better is a fact. I think we've seen more than enough of that sort of attitude on both sides of the argument in the past week.

That being said, regarding the OP's question: no, I don't think they should - or really can for that matter - fix the design flaws of DA2. What's done is done, it's time and money better spent on other projects.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 16 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[Straatbrak01]

I like DA2 as it is, the only problem I have is the quest auto complete bug and other problems…
Give us a patch to fix all the problems, and then I’m happy with DA2.