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[misterdde]

I would say it depend on what you are calling " fix ". IF it's for bug issues, then it's logical to fix it ^^. But if you mean " remake the game " then i think they should not. Mainly because it would take too much time. But, they can make a step on this direction just by releasing the toolset and let the community " fix " the game. One of the reason a lot of people loved origin is simple : mods. ( i'm not saying it is the principal reason ^^ but it's sure a damn good reason as you can virtually add anything you want in the game " )

I just hope my feeling is true, and that a toolset upgrade will be given in april. ( IMO the dev are actually waiting for the flaming wave to pass and will use the toolset as a powerfull weapon in order to boost up the community's trust whan people will accept that this game is not origin 2. And to give directly the toolset rather than saying " yes, it will be avaible in x month " is much more powerfull.

[Straatbrak01]

I like DA2 as it is, the only problem I have is the quest auto complete bug and other problems…
Give us a patch to fix all this problems, and then I will be happy with DA2.

Modifié par Straatbrak01, 16 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[Rinkusu]

An enhanced edition (free) would be good, but there are things they can't fix without a overhaul and i doubt they'll do it.
However if they could fix the repeated scenery/dungeon/house, add more companions history/quests, redo the stupid fedex quests with something interesting, and some other things it would help a bit,

[HawXV2]

It's superior to Origins in most ways. The only thing they need is some new maps and auto-attack button, probably a patch for the bugs, then we'll be golden. It needs no "fixing." It's a fantastic game.

[Wintermist]

My only issue with the game are the reinforcements coming from nowhere. Everything else I liked. Though I still like Dragon Age Origins better for some reason. I just want to say I deeply enjoyed Dragon Age 2 as well. It's just different.

[Coldest]

BioWare should, but I doubt they would.

[Solo80]

I think the absolute best and most cost effective course of action for Bioware now would be to release an updated toolset as soon as possible, and hope the community fixes the game. Not only are there extremely talented developers in the Dragon Age community already (see Dragon Age Redesigned or Combat Tweaks for Origins - both with almost 100k dowloads), but mods are optional - avoiding forcing everyone to download and install a patch drastically altering the game.

Besides, right now I trust the community to fix the game more than I trust Bioware - not only does it seem like they've lost touch with what at least a large portion of their fans want in an RPG, they seem to be in denial about it as well (see the Mike Laidlaw post-release interview if you don't know what I'm talking about).

[addu2urmanapool]

Bioware should take a good hard look at internal decision-making processes that led to this game, and perhaps make some personnel decisions accordingly.

[Firky]

+1 for toolset. And props to anyone who would put in the time to make an optional balance mod.

But I don't think it's broken, or that there's a widely agreed opinion on exactly what is broken if it is. Personally, I think it's pretty clever and well balanced. If they tried to address the deluge of confusing criticism around here it would end up a total mess.

Modifié par Firky, 16 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[HawXV2]

addu2urmanapool wrote...

Bioware should take a good hard look at internal decision-making processes that led to this game, and perhaps make some personnel decisions accordingly.

So basically you want them to fire people because you didn't like a single game? That's so rational you should get a happy meal.

[BomimoDK]

ikaruga17 wrote...

Origins was one of those game that had old-skool feeling and it was based on those game back in the days and it was my GOTY.

Dragon Age 2- Recycled area's, companions customize are restricted, convowheel and the new "crappy" action system. Its just not the same. Hey, i enjoyed it, but it felt rushed and uncomplete. But why call it Dragon Age "2" ?

Seems that Bioware tried to fix Origins in 1,5 years of development, imo they failed hard.

Origins had a ****ton of recycled areas and serious issues. You're being selective when looking at their flaws. fanboi

[Rinkusu]

Solo80 wrote...

I think the absolute best and most cost effective course of action for Bioware now would be to release an updated toolset as soon as possible, and hope the community fixes the game. Not only are there extremely talented developers in the Dragon Age community already (see Dragon Age Redesigned or Combat Tweaks for Origins - both with almost 100k dowloads), but mods are optional - avoiding forcing everyone to download and install a patch drastically altering the game.

Besides, right now I trust the community to fix the game more than I trust Bioware - not only does it seem like they've lost touch with what at least a large portion of their fans want in an RPG, they seem to be in denial about it as well (see the Mike Laidlaw post-release interview if you don't know what I'm talking about).

Absolutely agree, a DA2 toolset will work better in this case, who enjoys the game as it is can keep it, the rest of us can get the mods for some real fun.

[GrdianKnight]

I've been thinking about this topic much of the day. Yes, I loved Origins, it didn't appeal to the masses though. To me it feels like EA took control of the development of this game, tried to model a lot of it off Mass Effect 2 while still holding onto the Origins franchise. Bioware hasn't put out rushed products that I'm aware of, so I feel this is also a product of EA pushing. I understand this game is setting up for DA 3, so I'll be mildly forgiving of the abrupt and what felt like incomplete ending. Combat I can live with, would have rather seen action rpg stay in ME but whatever, I can deal with it. Loved the graphics overhaul, and the VO was a more welcomed change than I thought it would be. From what I saw before release I thought there would be more venturing into the Free Marches, or at least going to Starkhaven for the DLC. Repetitive zones fit the story though, so I'll let that slide. I do like the skill trees more now then in DA:O and the choices in progression. I would like to have seen more done with the companions, I didn't feel like there was enough interaction to feel close to them. Some more thought into them would have been nice. They half-****ed the ME 2 style for companions.
Overall, is it a good game? Yes. And I am enjoying it for the most part, although it's making me want to put in Origins more than anything. Is it rushed and incomplete? Feels like it. It doesn't feel like they even tried to match the scope of Origins. I doubt you'll see any overhauling patches coming our way, but they should at least fix the bugs and glitches. Maybe they can make up for some of the complaints with some DLC.

[HawXV2]

Inarborat wrote...

You can't fix the story with just dlc I imagine. They only way to really fix the game would be to go back in time, push the release date back 6 months or more and put in the work you know Bioware employees wanted to. I'm sure they're proud of their work, they should be after cranking out a game like this in 2 years or less!, they have to know this game has glaring flaws in the story and technical departments.

Where? I didn't notice any.

[ErebUs890]

Honestly, all DA2 needed to make it better is more variety of dungeons and equipping armor for your companions. DA2 is great, with combat that actually fits the game.

[SmokePants]

Their decisions are sound. They were just in a "damned if we do, damned if we don't." situation. It's becoming a huge problem for developers that have their communities turn on them for making the slightest changes. But if they had made no changes, they would have been blasted for that. It was a no-win scenario.

Mass Effect 2, the Game of the Year in the estimation of many, had a similar negative reaction on its forums (though, not nearly as bad as this one). It's unavoidable. They have to weather the storm and keep moving forward. They can't allow themselves to be bullied into submission.

I have no doubt they are reading all the feedback. They believe that some of you didn't like certain things -- they just might not believe or agree with your reasons. They recognize that a lot of the hate is emotion and perception, rather than logic, and will act accordingly to try to respect and predict emotional reactions and avoid pressing your buttons in the future. They will not let you tell them how to design a game, however.

Modifié par SmokePants, 16 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[Timmibal]

Pandaman102 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

No, Origins is not better in almost every way. DA2 has many things that are way better than DA:O. Even the reviewers said it.

Appeal to authority. Explain how a reviewer's opinion bears any more weight than others who have played the game, especially given that professional reviews tend to be overly favorable when large publishers are involved.

It's fine that you don't like DA:O, but don't be a hypocrite and insist your opinion that the game is better is a fact. I think we've seen more than enough of that sort of attitude on both sides of the argument in the past week.

That being said, regarding the OP's question: no, I don't think they should - or really can for that matter - fix the design flaws of DA2. What's done is done, it's time and money better spent on other projects.

I don't think that means what you think it does. Referencing a professional review of a product to support your conclusion is not an appeal to authority. Saying "It's better, and I know, I'm a programmer" is an appeal to authority.

Back to the OT, having played it through, I still can't see why so much butthurt and rage is being directed at it. Sure release a patch to get rid of the issues (Cutscenes going mental and such), and hurry the **** up with some DLC to deal with that ****ing cliffhanger, but apart from that I think Bioware should be happy with DA2 resting on its own merits as a game.

I had fun with DA2, and I want to play it again. In the end, that makes a good game in my book.

[HawXV2]

Timmibal wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

No, Origins is not better in almost every way. DA2 has many things that are way better than DA:O. Even the reviewers said it.

Appeal to authority. Explain how a reviewer's opinion bears any more weight than others who have played the game, especially given that professional reviews tend to be overly favorable when large publishers are involved.

It's fine that you don't like DA:O, but don't be a hypocrite and insist your opinion that the game is better is a fact. I think we've seen more than enough of that sort of attitude on both sides of the argument in the past week.

That being said, regarding the OP's question: no, I don't think they should - or really can for that matter - fix the design flaws of DA2. What's done is done, it's time and money better spent on other projects.

I don't think that means what you think it does. Referencing a professional review of a product to support your conclusion is not an appeal to authority. Saying "It's better, and I know, I'm a programmer" is an appeal to authority.

Back to the OT, having played it through, I still can't see why so much butthurt and rage is being directed at it. Sure release a patch to get rid of the issues (Cutscenes going mental and such), and hurry the **** up with some DLC to deal with that ****ing cliffhanger, but apart from that I think Bioware should be happy with DA2 resting on its own merits as a game.

I had fun with DA2, and I want to play it again. In the end, that makes a good game in my book.

This isn't going to be resolved with DLC. They are going to make DA3.

[MANFRED911]

I may be the only person to like the reused dungeons, but I saw it as a way to see changes over the years, like a house when someone moves out then someone knew moves in. Don't get me wrong there were a lot of areas that could have changed the design so they weren't the same; but areas that were the same shouldn't change. I liked to see the world around me evolve, but would have liked to see a bit of variety. One thing the could've done was make it so that we could buy different armor sets for companions, instead of having them stay the same.

[LanatirDragon]

Should they fix it? The question is...CAN they fix it?
With good management, resources and patience even the Titanic could be salvaged, repaired and refitted. It just needs a new hull, new structure, new propulsion, new interior, new this and that. But then again, it didn't crash half as hard as Dragon Age 2 did.

[DannyHR]

Add the isometric view and i'm satisfied.

[kevin cousland]

why fix what isnt broke?

[SmokePants]

The levels are not built to support a sky cam. They might be able to do a 2D tactical view, but I don't see the point. It is simply not necessary and the old camera was far more glitchy, awkward, and periodically useless than people seem to be capable of recalling.

[retsmot]

doesn't really need a fix, in my opinion, just fix the goddamn bugs/glitches. has it become a trend that games are released to let customers do the QA? i can live with dlc on launch, i can live with the new features and mechanics, but what i can't live with are bugs/glitches. it kills the game. also the freezing, force shutting down a ps3 is never a good thing.

patch it up already. but coming from ps3's me2, which took bout a month to release a 1st patch to fix the corrupted save issue, i'm starting to lose faith. mass effect 3 will hopefully be less glitchy(wishful thinking). and bioware, take your time with da3 and me3...delay it if it means more quality.

Modifié par retsmot, 16 mars 2011 - 09:45 .