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[vigna]

They need to patch the glitches on Merrill and the lost girl on the coast. I think there is also a glitch on the boss for the scroll quest.

Other than that I like the game a bunch. DAII made advances to the franchise where something like Fable 3 took great steps backwards. I think most the people that hate it either wouldn't be satisfied with something that wasn't a continuation of the Warden story, or they never gave the game a chance.

Edit* They do need to bring back auto attack, they need to lose the junk treasure (that was just insulting), and they also need to add some kind of customization for NPC outfits. I don't mind they are stuck with one look as long as I could change up the color schemes. I miss being able to customize the look of my NPCs. If I can dabble with hawk I should be able to do the same for the party--that goes for Mass effect as well. I just can't see how it would be that difficult to change Aveline's armor from red highlights to green, or from a silver base to dark grey....??

Modifié par vigna, 16 mars 2011 - 01:47 .

[Legbiter]

ReinaHW wrote...

Thing with a toolset is that it's fine for PC owners, but what of console owners? A console won't support a toolset like a PC can, so what do console owners get if the game gets either a Divinity 2 like rebuild and re-release or a major update to fix any problems or whatever?

Perhaps the Universe is trying to tell you something about that but what that might be I have no idea....

Modifié par Legbiter, 16 mars 2011 - 01:45 .

[Svancara]

god i'm getting real sick of threads like this.
The game is here, it's released, finished how they deemed it should be.
You either like it or you don't.
Patches and bug fixes will come in due time, same for DLC with story enhancements.
If you hate it, go and return it and stop making pointless threads about it.

Modifié par Svancara, 16 mars 2011 - 01:48 .

[ReinaHW]

I hate PC gaming, got sick of it a few years ago due to the high cost of keeping a PC upgraded just to play one game of interest. Plus it's too uncomfortable to game at the computer, long sessions on the Civilisation games may have bene fun, but they didn't do my back any good.

Already gone through about five PC's in the past few years due to constant problems, I find PC's to be too shoddy and as badly built as consoles today are.

[Rykoth]

They only need to fix the bugs ASAP.

It would be nice if they made some different cave designs and warehouses and such to add some more variety, but IMO, the story is what I play for, and that isn't broken.

[HyperLimited]

Considering the game currently has numerous bugs that Bioware somehow missed (IF they even bothered testing DA2), yes, this game needs to be fixed.

I'm not sure if the game needs a complete overhaul though. DA2 fell short in some areas, but it's not enough for something this drastic.

[RiotForPeace]

they should just let DA2 be DA2 and try to get more than 2 years Dev. time for DA3.
The Damage to the old fans is already done, and no Patch can fix that... (unless they patch real choices into the game again.)

by the way can't wait for Escapists Zero Punktuation about DA2

[berelinde]

At this point, the best thing to do is learn from the experience and move on.

Despite its faults, and despite the opinion of many fans, myself included, that DA:O was a better game, DA2 does have some features that are worth preserving. It is still an entertaining game. Let it stand on its own merits and look to the future for improvements in the form of DA3.

At this point, I am hoping that BioWare does focus its energies on DA3 and not on an expansion to DA2, but I am certain that some players would rather have the reverse.

[man giraffedog]

MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG IS COMING!! RUN AWAY!!



More Serial than ever guys.

[mcpothead]

ReinaHW wrote...

I hate PC gaming, got sick of it a few years ago due to the high cost of keeping a PC upgraded just to play one game of interest. Plus it's too uncomfortable to game at the computer, long sessions on the Civilisation games may have bene fun, but they didn't do my back any good.

Already gone through about five PC's in the past few years due to constant problems, I find PC's to be too shoddy and as badly built as consoles today are.

5 PC's in the last few years ?

I think this is a classic case of a user created problems.

Modifié par mcpothead, 16 mars 2011 - 02:12 .

[Kendaric Varkellen]

ReinaHW wrote...

Thing with a toolset is that it's fine for PC owners, but what of console owners? A console won't support a toolset like a PC can, so what do console owners get if the game gets either a Divinity 2 like rebuild and re-release or a major update to fix any problems or whatever?

The game isn't perfect, aye, but it's still enjoyable. But the reality is that DA2 isn't the only game to be rushed out before it was ready, many games suffer from that and many don't get a fix - Star Trek Legacy for the 360 comes to mind there since it hasn't received any fixes, any support and any updates since release while PC owners have fixed the PC version with toolsets and mods.

Console owners lose out when compared to what a PC can do to fix a game, so before you beg for a toolset for the PC version, how about considering ideas to help fix the console versions as well.

They could still add mod support for consoles. Sure, you wouldn't be able to mod yourself but that's the advantage of playing games on a PC. But a lot of mods could be made to work on the consoles as well, at least in theory (not all probably, but a large number). The lack of support for mods on consoles is as far as I know mostly an issue of the console manufacturers preventing that.

PC users lose out when it comes to gameplay mechanics, so I'd say that's a trade-off. Sorry, but using the "consoles can't use mods" argument against a toolset is bad and doesn't exactly help to further a better understanding between both communities.

[termokanden]

It has been said before but still. They should focus on fixing gamebreaking bugs. You shouldn't have to keep a list of things to avoid if you want to keep from permanently corrupting your character.

It's not fair to the people who have paid to leave the game in this state.

I don't expect drastic changes. Perhaps they could remove the double requirement for armor. There are undoubtedly other minor balance changes that would improve the game without requiring much effort.

[Annarl]

Solo80 wrote...

I think the absolute best and most cost effective course of action for Bioware now would be to release an updated toolset as soon as possible, and hope the community fixes the game. Not only are there extremely talented developers in the Dragon Age community already (see Dragon Age Redesigned or Combat Tweaks for Origins - both with almost 100k dowloads), but mods are optional - avoiding forcing everyone to download and install a patch drastically altering the game.

Besides, right now I trust the community to fix the game more than I trust Bioware - not only does it seem like they've lost touch with what at least a large portion of their fans want in an RPG, they seem to be in denial about it as well (see the Mike Laidlaw post-release interview if you don't know what I'm talking about).

I totally agree.  It would help and be a positive PR move (in light of recent events).   A patch would help as well. 

[chinoyray]

DA2 is good in its own way. All I want Bioware to do is fix those pesky and annoying bugs.

[Rockpopple]

Yahtzee bashes the games he even likes. Do people really not remember his review of Dragon Age: Origins?

Somehow I think collective memory of Yahtzee's DA:O and Mass Effect reviews will vanish once he reviews DA 2.

Ridiculous.

And all this bullpucky about professional reviewers not being real people? Being animals? cockroaches? Trollish to the extreme.

People really need to get a life.

[Marcin K]

let me add to the glitch list: inability to get "Merrill: friend or foe" after "a new path" on a macintosh

[hismastersvoice]

Leave the game as it is. Fixing it will just make it look like something from a Frankenstein movie. Finish the story (for real this time) and get to work on DAO2.

[termokanden]

simfamSP wrote...

To lose faith in Bioware for one game is being hysterical.

Agreed.

Oh and about bashing games you like. I am more likely to go on and on about defects in games I like. Games I don't like I don't buy or I just put them on a shelf and forget about them completely.

[WJC3688]

Should Bioware fix DA2? Maybe. Will Bioware fix DA2? Keep dreaming. I'll be more than satisfied if they just patch the game's glitches and give me back my auto-attack in a timely fashion, instead of pulling another Origins (i.e. 9 months of dumping bucketloads of DLC on me while I sit there dumbfounded at the fact that multiple serious glitches still haven't been patched).

[jaybee93]

No... it isn't broken. Just not liking it doesn't mean it needs "fixing."

[SoulRebel_1979]

WJC3688 wrote...
 (i.e. 9 months of dumping bucketloads of DLC on me while I sit there dumbfounded at the fact that multiple serious glitches still haven't been patched).

Thats what bothered me about Origins the most. Lots of bugs that seemed to just get ignored while Bioware pumped out DLC left and right. classy move.

[Itkovian]

I doubt very much that the general market they are targetting is anywhere near as outraged about these changes as the vocal critics are.

What we're seeing here is a small fraction of their consumer base being outraged at changes to their franchise, and registering their complaints by slamming it in reviews and in forum posts. While it is certainly valid that certain DAO fans are displeased by the changes, it does not in any way mean that it is a bad game, or that anything but a vocal minority is displeased.

I would not be in any surprised if Dragon Age 2 performed very well with gamers in general, or even if the great majority of DAO fans were still pleased by DA2 (as I am).

As such, no, I think it is very unrealistic to expect any "fixing" to the game beyond the usual bug fixes.

Just because a subset of players is dissatisfied with changes is not going to get them to somehow re-engineer the game. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the current outcry means the game is a failure. Odds are it will still be hugely successful, especially since it is made more appealing to the console market (which is 90% of its market in the first place).

What you CAN hope for, however, is that some of the criticism is taken to heart when time comes for Dragon Age 3.

Personally, I think most of the problems with the game stem with a reduced development time, which forced them to re-use maps and minimize itemisation and so forth. An extra year of developement would probably have resolved most of the general complaints.

Of course, the combat would still be faster and the protagonist will voiced, and that is EXTREMELY unlikely to change. Some "old school" players might not like then and be near-hysterical about it, but the fact is that these ARE improvements as far as modern game design are concerned, and they're not going to go away. And on a personnal level, as an "old school" Bioware fan, I rather like it. It makes for more fun combat and better storytelling.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Fishy]

Solo80 wrote...

Silveryne wrote...

Look, I can respect and sympathize where the hate for the game is coming from, but people are going to hate change no matter what. If major things change you are predisposed to dislike the game.

Nobody on these forums "hate change". I dare you to find a single person here who hates change in principle - if we'd hated change we would have hated Origins, and thus wouldn't be on these boards 2 years after its release.

Actually 1 years and 4 month . I wonder where those 8 month went?
Actually it's would make more sense saying 1 years than 2.

Modifié par Suprez30, 16 mars 2011 - 04:07 .