I'VE BEEN PLAYING RPG'S FOR YEARS NOW AND THIS DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE GAME OF THE YEAR ITS TOO SMALL AND REPETITIVE AND TOO MANY GLITCHES THIS IS EITHER LAZY PROGRAMMING OR IT WAS A RUSHED RELEASE EVAN SACRED 2 HAS MORE LASTABILITY THAN THIS
this game deserves game of the year, but sadly.....
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WHOA what dude have you done all the origins dtories or all the choices in story all that
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[quote]Dex1701 wrote...
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
you can "not consider diablo an rpg" till the cows come home, its classed as an rpg. and its combat is vastly superior. [/quote]
Paper Mario is also "classed as an rpg." My question wasn't about which combat system you like better...your comment was about whether or not it's tactical. Diablo's combat system is not tactical any more than DA's is. It's a click, click, click-fest until everything is dead. How is that more tactical? Fun, yes, but not at all tactical. Again, you're not supporting your point with your arguments.
[quote]I think I might have played jade empire for like 40 minutes, it was almost certainly superior but I suppose it might have gotten broken later in the game. [/quote]
So, you were able to judge the depth of the combat system in 40 minutes? I'm beginning to understand where you're coming from now.
[quote]dragon age's combat isn't tactical because doing anything tactical is pointless. the only tactic is nuke everything with mages. everything else is being intentionally dumb. that's about as bad as a combat mechanic can get. and even if that doesn't convince you diablo 2 is almost a decade old and its melee units have vastly vastly superior abilties to the jokes that are warrior/rogue abilities in dragon age. dragon age warrior and rogue abliities are so awful that there are numerous fourth tier abilities that are actually inferior to auto attacking....and I"m being LITERAL, you should auto attack instead of use them.
[/quote]
So, you're saying that classes outside of mages are under-powered, and that mages are the most powerful. This still says nothing about DA's combat being tactical or not. It says that you don't think the classes are balanced. These are not the same thing.
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
so the fact that its not an action rpg mean the combat has to be trivial and meaningless? how is that logic?
[/quote]
This comment is a strawman fallacy. That is definitely not logic.
[quote]
I
breezed through the game on nightmare, I died a few times. I think I
died in the fade once or twice and occasionally I'd be too lazy to
pause the game and not notice a buncha mages fireballing my party. oh
and I died in the very beginning probably a few times, though not in
the wilds that I remember. maybe there are more, but # of deaths isn't
that meaningful because mostly its just cause I got bored. but in
general nothing was hard, and worse than not being hard, nothing was
interesting. because, again, combat was not balanced so there was no
depth. I'm not even really offended by the difficulty/ease of the
game. that's fine, if there is interesting and deep combat to go along
with it.
[/quote]
So, if you just randomly spam spells at various enemies you'll win every fight? Don't think so. This is just more, "the classes aren't balanced" complaints. Do you have any actual arguments about whether or not DA's combat is devoid of tactical decisions, or are you just going to complain about the classes being unbalanced in different ways?
[quote]I think there are faults to some extent with all the combat systems.
but you are perhaps not taking into account how flaming trainwreck
broken I think dragon age is. one class has literally all the best
abilities, and they cast these abilities from an infinite resource
pool. the other classes are so awful that some of their 4th tier
abilities are inferior to auto attacks. [/quote]
So, you're saying the classes aren't balanced, then?
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
and if you look at these forums some of the
most obvious uses for abilities(notably coc and forcefield) have openly
been called exploits. forcefield your ally? that's an exploit! well I
mean god, how bad of a combat system is that?
[/quote]
That's not an exploit, it's a tactic. The fact that it makes some battles easy only means that it's a tactic that needs to be rebalanced.
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
I'd like dragon age to be harder, but the
difficulty isn't what offends me. It's the completely broken combat
mechanics. and I don't think the brokenness of the combat mechanics is
a matter of preference. it might be a matter of preference that you
don't care about how good the combat mechanics are, or a matter of
preference that people that criticize a game you love deserve to burn
in eternal flame. but the actual mechanics. are. very broken.
[/quote]
The mechanics aren't broken. The classes aren't balanced. Are you sure you want to be pointing at other people and yelling, "hyperbole!" Kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
[quote]UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
OK look i know no country for old
men was greatly acclaimed but come on what was the point are you guys
saying you want to pay 20 $ to see a movie with no climax all your
life[/quote]
There was a climax. The structure and pacing of the movie diverged from the formula you're used to, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It sounds like you just didn't get the message.
[quote]Periodiko wrote...
No, it did end. Llewelyn got shot to death
by a bunch of nameless thugs off-screen. That's how his story ended.
Llewelyn was dead the second he picked up that sack full of money.
That's the point. The world of No Country is an evil one where the good
are crushed into paste. It's the title of the film. It ends with the
sherriff because, to a certain extent, the movie is about the sherriff.
Llewlyn being relentlessly hounded and killed is like a parable, and
the sherriff is the narrator who provides context. Thats why it begins
with a speech by him and ends with a speech by him. It's his freaking
movie.
If you really need it explained to you why the fate of
Rocky Balboa is totally different from Llewelyn Moss, I think you need
to pay more attention when you watch movies.
[/quote]
He got it.
[/quote]
the reason I mentioned how they have been called exploits is to point out that the combat system is so poor that spells used for their obvious purpose are literally broken. the extreme power of mages removes tactical decisions as you call them. so yes tactics and balance are related, without balance there can be no legitimate tactical environment. you have your god abilities, you annihilate everything. not tactics.
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
you can "not consider diablo an rpg" till the cows come home, its classed as an rpg. and its combat is vastly superior. [/quote]
Paper Mario is also "classed as an rpg." My question wasn't about which combat system you like better...your comment was about whether or not it's tactical. Diablo's combat system is not tactical any more than DA's is. It's a click, click, click-fest until everything is dead. How is that more tactical? Fun, yes, but not at all tactical. Again, you're not supporting your point with your arguments.
[quote]I think I might have played jade empire for like 40 minutes, it was almost certainly superior but I suppose it might have gotten broken later in the game. [/quote]
So, you were able to judge the depth of the combat system in 40 minutes? I'm beginning to understand where you're coming from now.
[quote]dragon age's combat isn't tactical because doing anything tactical is pointless. the only tactic is nuke everything with mages. everything else is being intentionally dumb. that's about as bad as a combat mechanic can get. and even if that doesn't convince you diablo 2 is almost a decade old and its melee units have vastly vastly superior abilties to the jokes that are warrior/rogue abilities in dragon age. dragon age warrior and rogue abliities are so awful that there are numerous fourth tier abilities that are actually inferior to auto attacking....and I"m being LITERAL, you should auto attack instead of use them.
[/quote]
So, you're saying that classes outside of mages are under-powered, and that mages are the most powerful. This still says nothing about DA's combat being tactical or not. It says that you don't think the classes are balanced. These are not the same thing.
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
so the fact that its not an action rpg mean the combat has to be trivial and meaningless? how is that logic?
[/quote]
This comment is a strawman fallacy. That is definitely not logic.
[quote]
I
breezed through the game on nightmare, I died a few times. I think I
died in the fade once or twice and occasionally I'd be too lazy to
pause the game and not notice a buncha mages fireballing my party. oh
and I died in the very beginning probably a few times, though not in
the wilds that I remember. maybe there are more, but # of deaths isn't
that meaningful because mostly its just cause I got bored. but in
general nothing was hard, and worse than not being hard, nothing was
interesting. because, again, combat was not balanced so there was no
depth. I'm not even really offended by the difficulty/ease of the
game. that's fine, if there is interesting and deep combat to go along
with it.
[/quote]
So, if you just randomly spam spells at various enemies you'll win every fight? Don't think so. This is just more, "the classes aren't balanced" complaints. Do you have any actual arguments about whether or not DA's combat is devoid of tactical decisions, or are you just going to complain about the classes being unbalanced in different ways?
[quote]I think there are faults to some extent with all the combat systems.
but you are perhaps not taking into account how flaming trainwreck
broken I think dragon age is. one class has literally all the best
abilities, and they cast these abilities from an infinite resource
pool. the other classes are so awful that some of their 4th tier
abilities are inferior to auto attacks. [/quote]
So, you're saying the classes aren't balanced, then?
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
and if you look at these forums some of the
most obvious uses for abilities(notably coc and forcefield) have openly
been called exploits. forcefield your ally? that's an exploit! well I
mean god, how bad of a combat system is that?
[/quote]
That's not an exploit, it's a tactic. The fact that it makes some battles easy only means that it's a tactic that needs to be rebalanced.
[quote]Schyzm wrote...
I'd like dragon age to be harder, but the
difficulty isn't what offends me. It's the completely broken combat
mechanics. and I don't think the brokenness of the combat mechanics is
a matter of preference. it might be a matter of preference that you
don't care about how good the combat mechanics are, or a matter of
preference that people that criticize a game you love deserve to burn
in eternal flame. but the actual mechanics. are. very broken.
[/quote]
The mechanics aren't broken. The classes aren't balanced. Are you sure you want to be pointing at other people and yelling, "hyperbole!" Kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
[quote]UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
OK look i know no country for old
men was greatly acclaimed but come on what was the point are you guys
saying you want to pay 20 $ to see a movie with no climax all your
life[/quote]
There was a climax. The structure and pacing of the movie diverged from the formula you're used to, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It sounds like you just didn't get the message.
[quote]Periodiko wrote...
No, it did end. Llewelyn got shot to death
by a bunch of nameless thugs off-screen. That's how his story ended.
Llewelyn was dead the second he picked up that sack full of money.
That's the point. The world of No Country is an evil one where the good
are crushed into paste. It's the title of the film. It ends with the
sherriff because, to a certain extent, the movie is about the sherriff.
Llewlyn being relentlessly hounded and killed is like a parable, and
the sherriff is the narrator who provides context. Thats why it begins
with a speech by him and ends with a speech by him. It's his freaking
movie.
If you really need it explained to you why the fate of
Rocky Balboa is totally different from Llewelyn Moss, I think you need
to pay more attention when you watch movies.
[/quote]
He got it.
[/quote]
the reason I mentioned how they have been called exploits is to point out that the combat system is so poor that spells used for their obvious purpose are literally broken. the extreme power of mages removes tactical decisions as you call them. so yes tactics and balance are related, without balance there can be no legitimate tactical environment. you have your god abilities, you annihilate everything. not tactics.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 12:46
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Here's the thing: you keep talking about how poor the combat system is, and then your only point to support the statement is that mages are too powerful. Mages being overpowered does not equal a "train wreck" of a combat system. All it means is that mages are too powerful and might need some tweaks to balance them out. Your statements are so full of fallacy and hyperbole and lacking in evidence (or even conjecture that supports your position) that I just can't take your argument seriously. I'm open to being swayed...it's just that your arguments aren't supporting your assertion.Schyzm wrote...
the reason I mentioned how they have been called exploits is to point out that the combat system is so poor that spells used for their obvious purpose are literally broken. the extreme power of mages removes tactical decisions as you call them. so yes tactics and balance are related, without balance there can be no legitimate tactical environment. you have your god abilities, you annihilate everything. not tactics.
Your statement is that the combat is not tactical and that the combat system (implying the entire combat system) is a "train wreck," but the only position you're supporting with your arguments is that "mages are too powerful and gameplay is suffering as a result." Your assertions do not match up with your arguments. If you're going to make such strong statements you should be prepared to "back that thang up" with details and examples.
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Shappy1010 wrote...
I tend to agree, the further I get into the game, the more these things become apparent. I don't have a problem with the codex (beats logging around all those books) but all your other points are valid. I still think combat is better then in the latter Bioware titels, but all the combat in the world doesn't fix a what is in essence a very cliché story and setting (as opposed to say Planescape Torment), The Witcher at least brought a lot of new stuff to the table, some of which seems even copied in Dragon Age. Same as you I'm enjoying this game more then all the uncharted's and COD's in the world, but this is Bioware, and we should uphold them to their usual quality. Although you can't give them enough credit to releasing what is in essence a hardcore RPG for a very specific crowd. To be honest, when EA took over Bioware I didn't think we'd ever see it released.
I can't help but picturing all the guys at Bioware standing in an ancient Rome arena shouting "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! to all our RPG nerds staring with critical looks..
What is Bioware usual quality? I'm curious to know,because I do not see them as a developer who automatically release a game of the year candidate.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 01:00
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I dunno whether this or L4d2 deserve the win...
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 03:39
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UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
its gonna get the shaft and lose to freakin shooters like uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2.
man why arent people creative everyyear a SHOOTER game wins game of the year.
i meen bioware has been working on this game scince 2004.
uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2 are nothing but generic shooters with flasy graphics and explosions that were crafted in like 5 months. its tottaly unfair
You mean instead of Dragon Age, which is nothing but a generic sword fighting game?
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 04:10
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Not sure if this should be game of the year or not. The dialogue is excellent and the story is cliche but well told, the gameplay is rubbish. 1.5/3 isn't so bad but maybe another game out this year can do better.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 04:20
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Your a moron.maverick2471 wrote...
I'VE BEEN PLAYING RPG'S FOR YEARS NOW AND THIS DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE GAME OF THE YEAR ITS TOO SMALL AND REPETITIVE AND TOO MANY GLITCHES THIS IS EITHER LAZY PROGRAMMING OR IT WAS A RUSHED RELEASE EVAN SACRED 2 HAS MORE LASTABILITY THAN THIS
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 04:21
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Gameplay rubbish? Go back to your simplistic console games, for gods sakes. What idiots.
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mastorofpuppetz wrote...
Gameplay rubbish? Go back to your simplistic console games, for gods sakes. What idiots.
I don't even have a console...
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i think it's possible to agree with your sentiment in general, but I have to take exception to your equating Uncharted 2 with MW2. Hate it all you like, but U2 is an excellent game and has the best graphics by far that I have seen on any console to date - it also has some of the best voice acting and characters you will find in a mainstream game. I don't think it's fair at all to dismiss it in such a glib manner. Naughty Dog is a damn good company and it is clear that game is the result of a lot of hard work and dedication as it blows it's competitors out of the water in so many ways. However, I am inclined to agree that in general the gaming industry tens to fawn over the same predictable blockbusters, but then again the gaming industry is becoming a lot like Hollywood, so I don't see this changing any time soon. I think it would be wonderful and deserved if DAO won.UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
its gonna get the shaft and lose to freakin shooters like uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2.
man why arent people creative everyyear a SHOOTER game wins game of the year.
i meen bioware has been working on this game scince 2004.
uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2 are nothing but generic shooters with flasy graphics and explosions that were crafted in like 5 months. its tottaly unfair
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 05:09
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UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
its gonna get the shaft and lose to freakin shooters like uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2.
man why arent people creative everyyear a SHOOTER game wins game of the year.
i meen bioware has been working on this game scince 2004.
uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2 are nothing but generic shooters with flasy graphics and explosions that were crafted in like 5 months. its tottaly unfair
Now you know the pain us PC gamers have been having for so many years. PC games are richer in graphics and detail and more voluminous in modding and we get trounched by stupid 1st person shooters just because more ppl buy them for cheaper consoles. Even tho just about every huge milestone in gaming has been achieved first on PC in the post Atari/Intellivision/Colecovision timeline of gaming.
More ppl play twitch-based games so the votes count more since there are more voters playing those games but these are "best features" based on popularity NOT achievement or milestones.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 05:51
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COD's online is really fantastic. It's a spectacular game.
DAO is a better game in general though. DAO for me for game of the year, but COD is best online game for me.
DAO is a better game in general though. DAO for me for game of the year, but COD is best online game for me.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 06:03
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I believe that game of the year should go to Demon's Souls. There is no question!
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 06:14
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Kahryl wrote...
mastorofpuppetz wrote...
Gameplay rubbish? Go back to your simplistic console games, for gods sakes. What idiots.
I don't even have a console...
I think what he means is, go back to the 50,000 other games in existance because they are all simplistic and for idiots, except Dragon Age.
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IMO, Game of the Year should be awarded to War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition by Matrix games.
http://www.matrixgam...miral's.Edition
I'm sure not many on this forum would be into this kind of thing, but I play a wide range of different types of games, and this is by far the best game I have ever played! It doesn't have a "learning curve" it has a "learning cliff"! And that is for veterans of strategy gaming! "Deep" doesn't even begin to describe this title. Sadly it won't even get so much as a murmur for something like GOTY.
An insteresting side is that one of the guys from 2by3 games (who did the original War in the Pacific) is Keith Brors, whom some may recognize from Pool of Radiance by SSI in 1988.
http://www.matrixgam...miral's.Edition
I'm sure not many on this forum would be into this kind of thing, but I play a wide range of different types of games, and this is by far the best game I have ever played! It doesn't have a "learning curve" it has a "learning cliff"! And that is for veterans of strategy gaming! "Deep" doesn't even begin to describe this title. Sadly it won't even get so much as a murmur for something like GOTY.
An insteresting side is that one of the guys from 2by3 games (who did the original War in the Pacific) is Keith Brors, whom some may recognize from Pool of Radiance by SSI in 1988.
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astrallite wrote...
Kahryl wrote...
mastorofpuppetz wrote...
Gameplay rubbish? Go back to your simplistic console games, for gods sakes. What idiots.
I don't even have a console...
I think what he means is, go back to the 50,000 other games in existance because they are all simplistic and for idiots, except Dragon Age.
What. Even Morrowind? Ultima VII, Planescape Torment?
Try playing a few of those 50,000s, you'll be pleasently surprised
The world does not begin with DA:O, whatever the requisite crazed fanboys would have you believe.
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spernus wrote...
Shappy1010 wrote...
I tend to agree, the further I get into the game, the more these things become apparent. I don't have a problem with the codex (beats logging around all those books) but all your other points are valid. I still think combat is better then in the latter Bioware titels, but all the combat in the world doesn't fix a what is in essence a very cliché story and setting (as opposed to say Planescape Torment), The Witcher at least brought a lot of new stuff to the table, some of which seems even copied in Dragon Age. Same as you I'm enjoying this game more then all the uncharted's and COD's in the world, but this is Bioware, and we should uphold them to their usual quality. Although you can't give them enough credit to releasing what is in essence a hardcore RPG for a very specific crowd. To be honest, when EA took over Bioware I didn't think we'd ever see it released.
I can't help but picturing all the guys at Bioware standing in an ancient Rome arena shouting "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! to all our RPG nerds staring with critical looks..
What is Bioware usual quality? I'm curious to know,because I do not see them as a developer who automatically release a game of the year candidate.
Oh so now we match GOTY to quality? Bioware is one of the best developers out there. I beleive the top 10 movies of all time didn't receive much or any oscars when they were released, so who cares about these awards anyway.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 08:23
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3 things,
as many people have already mentioned uncharted 2 is an excellent game, and also a worthy candidate for goty.
MW2 on the other hand is fairly high quality for what it is, but compared to other games it doesn't seem to bring any form of longterm entertainement, unless your are real shooterlover and your diggin into its multiplayer. (to be fair there is a mass of people like that)
Lastly i would rather like to see goty award go to games that have more essence than a highly refined but plain shooter, but in the end it's just an award people will continue to play what they're enjoying the most
as many people have already mentioned uncharted 2 is an excellent game, and also a worthy candidate for goty.
MW2 on the other hand is fairly high quality for what it is, but compared to other games it doesn't seem to bring any form of longterm entertainement, unless your are real shooterlover and your diggin into its multiplayer. (to be fair there is a mass of people like that)
Lastly i would rather like to see goty award go to games that have more essence than a highly refined but plain shooter, but in the end it's just an award people will continue to play what they're enjoying the most
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 08:40
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I disagree. i think GOTY is leaning towards Uncharted 2. As much as i enjoy DAO, i see some issues with the game overall. (graphics and technical issues) If your honest with yourself, I'm sure you can name many improvements DAO could have, compared to the nominees.
As a rpg-fan i would buy DAO over those other games. Does it deserve GOTY? no, not yet.
As a rpg-fan i would buy DAO over those other games. Does it deserve GOTY? no, not yet.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 08:50
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As much as I loved Planescape: Torment I'm not sure the gameplay was better than that of Dragon Age. PS:T's story and characters were brilliant, but the gameplay was about the same as the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale series. Do you mean the RPG system?Kahryl wrote...
What. Even Morrowind? Ultima VII, Planescape Torment?
Try playing a few of those 50,000s, you'll be pleasently surprised
The world does not begin with DA:O, whatever the requisite crazed fanboys would have you believe.
As far as GotY goes, I don't see why people get so excited about web sites and their "Game of the Year" awards. Doesn't really have much meaning.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 08:55
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It's not shooters every year... Morrowind and Oblivion both have won game of the year in they're times.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 03:09
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tennyochan wrote...
I disagree. i think GOTY is leaning towards Uncharted 2. As much as i enjoy DAO, i see some issues with the game overall. (graphics and technical issues) If your honest with yourself, I'm sure you can name many improvements DAO could have, compared to the nominees.
As a rpg-fan i would buy DAO over those other games. Does it deserve GOTY? no, not yet.
LMAO, so a game is not perfect it wont get GOTY? DA is ten times more complex and ambitious then Uncharted, and uncharted has a few faults as well does every game. your pot does not even make sense. Every game ever made can be improved upon.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 03:11
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Kahryl wrote...
astrallite wrote...
Kahryl wrote...
mastorofpuppetz wrote...
Gameplay rubbish? Go back to your simplistic console games, for gods sakes. What idiots.
I don't even have a console...
I think what he means is, go back to the 50,000 other games in existance because they are all simplistic and for idiots, except Dragon Age.
What. Even Morrowind? Ultima VII, Planescape Torment?
Try playing a few of those 50,000s, you'll be pleasently surprised
The world does not begin with DA:O, whatever the requisite crazed fanboys would have you believe.
?? I;ve played all those, nostalgia coulds peoples judgement, Dragon age stands easily with those, and is fully voiced and cinematic to boot, not just text. No one said the world began with DA, but this belief that older games are always better is nothing more then nostalgia. the combat in DA blows those games away. DA is easily one of the best RPG's.
