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[Flamedance]

@Dante2377 Yeah, you could. But it wouldn't really be a monk imo. Besides, i don't think dualing a monk would be a very good idea, even if it were possible. Monks need a lot of levels to be effective.

[Dante2377]

I agree - for me, i've only found them useful/enjoyable with the Oversight mod for "real" monk HLAs and in a party no bigger than 3 total.

But one of the posters above had mentioned they wanted a monk->mage so I thought I'd share.

[Son of Imoen]

Dante2377 wrote...
PS @Son of Imoen if you dual to a mage and DONT have a kit on your first class, you can set a mage kit using shadow keeper.

So it's just a rule limitation, not an engine limitation. I should have guessed from the Gnome multi-class illusionist the engine can do it. Anyone familiar with the AD&D PnP rules on this? (I myself like to limit myself to what the PnP rules are, instead of what the engine would allow).

[Dante2377]

Son of Imoen wrote...

Dante2377 wrote...
PS @Son of Imoen if you dual to a mage and DONT have a kit on your first class, you can set a mage kit using shadow keeper.

So it's just a rule limitation, not an engine limitation. I should have guessed from the Gnome multi-class illusionist the engine can do it. Anyone familiar with the AD&D PnP rules on this? (I myself like to limit myself to what the PnP rules are, instead of what the engine would allow).

The engine limitation is that you can only have one kit assigned to a character.  So no Swashbuckler Priest of Talos.

The game rules are that you cannot dual class TO a kit, only to a base class and separately that only the Gnomes get Illusionist when multi-classing with a mage.  For example, setting a multiclass mage to be a specialist (usually conjurer) from my previous post below OR something like multiclass F/M setting the kit to be the Anti-Paladin from Tactics.

I've never had any issues in a multiclass or dual class situation manually setting the kit for either Fighters or Mages using Shadowkeeper.

 Ive had significant issues setting the kit for Priest kits in a multiclass or dual class to a Cleric where it usually crashes to desktop.  I've never really cared that much about the priest kits to investigate if it's actually setting the kit that causes that or adding the abilities.

[Son of Imoen]

So, getting a little back on topic, shadowkeeping a Kensai>Specialist Mage dual-class wouldn't be feasible as that would imply a character with 2 kits?

[Dante2377]

Correct, there's a kit field and it can only have one choice. You could go to the drop-down and change it from Kensai to Conjurer, but it wouldn't be a Kensai anymore, in terms of class. HOWEVER, just changing the kit would NOT remove any of the Kensai innate abilities - you would still have your X number of Kai. But if there were any kit effects that didn't add something either on the affects tab OR Innate tab, you would lose that.

A good example is the Barbarian (treated as a Fighter kit) - the Barbarian has all 3 types of kit additions:

- the Rage are added as Innate abilities
- the movement addition is listed under Affects
- the immunity to backstab is not listed anywhere, but is part of the kit.

If you go and change the kit from barbarian to anything else, you will NOT lose the Rage innates or anything in the Affects section, but you won't be immune to backstab anymore.